View Full Version : real M1D??

July 10, 2017, 12:01
How do I gauge the value of my M1 Garand? It is in immaculate shape, I mean it looks like it came off the factory line yesterday. The rifle has a Springfield 1941 receiver and seems to have SN or paten numbers on most of the parts. The stock has no marking on it. I have taken the rifle completely apart minus the upper rear hand guard witch is held in place with a roll pin. I have not seen a SN on the barrel. Would it be under the rear upper hand guard? I was told that it was an M1D Garand when I bought it however I donít have any CMP paperwork with it. It does have the scope attachment point on the left hand side, the shorter upper rear hand guard and the flash hider. Also the trigger is Amazing!! It is a 2 stage trigger with a crisp break! Would this rifle technically just be a M1 Garand that is dressed up like an M1D due to the lack of papers? What other information is needed to gauge the value or even just find out what this thing is? Any help is greatly appreciated.

<a href="http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/nick_konopelski/media/IMG_1516_zpsnzqecqjn.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/nick_konopelski/IMG_1516_zpsnzqecqjn.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo IMG_1516_zpsnzqecqjn.jpg"/></a>

<a href="http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/nick_konopelski/media/IMG_1517_zpspctfr5qm.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/nick_konopelski/IMG_1517_zpspctfr5qm.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo IMG_1517_zpspctfr5qm.jpg"/></a>

<a href="http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/nick_konopelski/media/IMG_1518_zpsawsg0nwj.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/nick_konopelski/IMG_1518_zpsawsg0nwj.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo IMG_1518_zpsawsg0nwj.jpg"/></a>

<a href="http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/nick_konopelski/media/IMG_1519_zpsj91k8jjn.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/nick_konopelski/IMG_1519_zpsj91k8jjn.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo IMG_1519_zpsj91k8jjn.jpg"/></a>

July 10, 2017, 17:24
It looks to have a commercial stock/handguards.
A M1D without paperwork will never be worth what a papered M1D is. M1D's are built with a mixture of parts so without provenance it would have to be considered a civilian built rifle
How is the barrel marked?flip the rifle over and take a picture of the bottom of the flash hider in front of the has screw

July 11, 2017, 18:47
Your SN dates the rifle September 1942 to December 1942. Barrel should be marked S-A-8-42 to S-A-11-42... Look behind the op rod for this, just forward of where the barrel starts to decrease in diameter. M1D rifles with very high SNs are the best bet for being original conversions. No original production M1D rifles were produced- all were arsenal of field conversions, unless civilian assembled or refinished. Lack of arsenal reinspection markings anywhere on the stock have me leaning toward civilian assembly.

July 12, 2017, 04:40
Your SN dates the rifle September 1942 to December 1942. Barrel should be marked S-A-8-42 to S-A-11-42...

This is incorrect for a M1D

July 12, 2017, 11:25
Please enlighten me.

July 12, 2017, 14:33
M1Ds are all rebuilt M1 standard rifles. The barrels would never match the receiver. There are special drawing numbers on a USGI M1D barrel. Numbers should be visible w/o removing the rear handguard. Dates on M1D barrels are usually 1945 or '52.

By looking at the heal markings, it has been reparked.

July 12, 2017, 15:33
Correct, all M1Ds are built from existing stocks of rifles, with a new barrel and handguard installed as well as any other updated parts the rifle does not have. These were done in many places, not only military arsenals. Unmarked stocks would not be unusual if the stock were replaced. Only rifles that are proofed will have the P mark and I have seen many without other marks. The new barrel installed will show its numbers under the op rod (lock it back) and will have an early 1950s date. The scope mount block was already installed on the barrel. You can find the proper part number online. Flash hiders were issued with but not installed on the rifles. Reparking was often done so do not let that bother you.

However many of the barrels (and scopes) were sold as surplus and thus many M1Ds were built by lots of folk with and without proper knowledge of how this is done. My guess is that yours is either one of these or a CMP build. A close examination of all the parts of the rifle would tell but only by someone who knows exactly what to look for. Few of these rifles have paperwork so those that do are most valuable to collectors.

July 12, 2017, 15:58
Please enlighten me.

Barrels on M1D rifles are 1950's barrels with scope mount block, this is mine and how it is stamped under rear handgaurd
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/m1d/M1d-SA22_zps030cd61e.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/Garandlover/media/m1d/M1d-SA22_zps030cd61e.jpg.html)

If "555" isnt part of the drawing number it is not a original M1D barrel. Some are stamped on side in normal position others are on top under handguard. I cant remember the year but I think the earier builds were on top under handguard, then alter were on side of barrel
Springfield built M1D's will have stocks with open box SA stamp

Its impossible to 100% without a doubt tell the difference between a properly civilian built M1D and the original. This is why paperwork is important if looking to purchase as there is a big difference in price

Here is a picture that shows how to spot a fake flash hider (photo from Bill Ricca)
Look at the area in front where the gas screw goes. Notice on the fake/cast flash hider the area is indented and on the USGI this area is more level. This is the identifying factor

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/m1d/bill%20ricca%20flash_zpsgks3aqeg.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/Garandlover/media/m1d/bill%20ricca%20flash_zpsgks3aqeg.jpg.html)

Guess none of this matters as the OP doesnt seem interested in any of this as he hasnt replied since original posting

July 12, 2017, 17:03
I didn't realize the barrel and scope mount were integral. Thanks for pointing that out.

July 12, 2017, 17:10
I didn't realize the barrel and scope mount were integral. Thanks for pointing that out.
Not scope mounts but barrel blocks
M1D barrel blocks were pressed onto the barrel and pinned in place.M1D barrels also do not have grooves for the hand guard clip as other Garand barrrels do. If you find a block on a barrel other than what is shown above it isnt a M1D barrel
The scope mount is a seperate piece that is fastened to the block by a knob/screw
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f197/Garandlover/m1d/DSC01748_zps0lmang9r.jpg (http://s47.photobucket.com/user/Garandlover/media/m1d/DSC01748_zps0lmang9r.jpg.html)

July 13, 2017, 12:22
Once had a real M1D barrel with mounting block. Seems to me the hole for the dowel pin was staked with a + shaped punch over the hole.

July 13, 2017, 14:57
Kinda looks like a Mil Tech Rifle, Looks too clean to be an original. My buddy has a M1-D Mil Tech and it loks just like the pic...just some thought ....

July 14, 2017, 07:49
Kinda looks like a Mil Tech Rifle, Looks too clean to be an original. My buddy has a M1-D Mil Tech and it loks just like the pic...just some thought ....

July 14, 2017, 11:40
Very cool photo, thanks for the M1D lesson!