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gunplumber
March 30, 2017, 13:39
I get that SLAZ is through 1966/67 and is Slazengers in Sydney.

I get that MA is post 1967 and is Lithgow (where does MA come from Lithgow)

Got some laminated handguards with something that looks like BS66 & BS68.

Who is that?

machinegunner
March 30, 2017, 13:47
bull sh** 66

jhend170
March 30, 2017, 14:12
Maybe subcontracted for BSA?

gunplumber
March 30, 2017, 14:19
I was wondering (hoping) it would be Birmingham, although I can't see them using laminate in the late 60s. Then I could match them to Brit stocks and grips.

Also wondering if it was a different abbreviation for Slazengers, but post '46 they were Slazengers Gradidge Sykes and Ayres before merging with Dunlap Rubber. No "B" there.

Andy the Aussie
March 30, 2017, 14:24
MA simply indicates SAF Lithgow Manufacture, why, who knows but they were using it back prior to WW2. BS, I will only speculate on as it is not clearly documented but I will will go with Bathurst (a town that is about 50km west of Lithgow) as I recall there was a wood facility there during SMLE production and I believe this was retained. When I get a chance I will look at some of the resources I have for other arms made out that way and see if BS was used to denote Bathurst.

As I speculated prior Bathurst Subcontracted or Subfacility maybe...just maybe.


For example, in relation to Bren and Vickers production ..

CA was Cowra
PA was Parkes
OA was Orange

These are all country towns to the west of Lithgow but further out than Bathurst. Unlike these Bathurst would have been managed from Lithgow I suspect due to the proximity.

tdb59
March 30, 2017, 14:25
From previous threads on this, BS noted an as yet ( on this board ) unidentified subcontractor.


http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3427749&postcount=8



I have seen pictures of, or owned, BS marked 66, 67, 68, and 69 dated Australian handguards.



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yellowhand
March 31, 2017, 13:20
:fal:

D. Lehrman
March 31, 2017, 17:19
Brits only ran inventory on laminated handguards 1968-1972; before that solid wood, after that timeframe plastics...that would sort of preclude 1966 BSA or Brit supplier.

G3isMe
March 31, 2017, 17:31
gp, I have a couple pairs of these too. They have the crinkle foil liner so they are Aussies. My photos are toast but the information here is good. LOL, "I don't know who BS is" came from this thread....:biggrin:




http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=336580

gunplumber
March 31, 2017, 18:26
gp, I have a couple pairs of these too. They have the crinkle foil liner so they are Aussies.

Does that mean the smooth foil liner is Brit?

I've succeeded in replacing both the hollow steel rivets and the solid aluminum ones - made fixtures for my AK-building aircraft hydraulic riveting squeeze. I have plenty of metal inserts front & rear, but only left side (!) and new laminate wood (only right side!).

I'm still having trouble sourcing the textured finish aluminum. All I can find is smooth.

Soon will have available matched sets.

10 x MA 70
18 x MA 72
7 x MA 73
10 x MA 78
46 x illegible date code.

Lot of SLAZ grips and stocks, but no SLAZ handguards.
Lot of MA 76 stocks, but no handguards.

Couple of the last year production ('88?) Beech stocks - looks like Izzy.

tdb59
March 31, 2017, 19:30
Does that mean the smooth foil liner is Brit?



Yes.

1969 and 1970 British laminates here-


http://i.imgur.com/uklousSl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IFsDzHbl.jpg

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4374758&postcount=1



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yellowhand
March 31, 2017, 19:53
Yes.

1969 and 1970 British laminates here-


http://i.imgur.com/uklousSl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/IFsDzHbl.jpg

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4374758&postcount=1



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those are real nice!
You still have them?

tdb59
March 31, 2017, 22:14
those are real nice!
You still have them?

Still available, yes.






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Brian in MN
April 03, 2017, 10:26
For the heck of it I just took a look in Skennerton's Enfield book. During Enfield production BS was B.S.A. Shirley at Birmingham, UK.

Bathurst Rifle Factory No 2 in Australia was denoted by BA.

jhend170
April 03, 2017, 16:21
For the heck of it I just took a look in Skennerton's Enfield book. During Enfield production BS was B.S.A. Shirley at Birmingham, UK.

Bathurst Rifle Factory No 2 in Australia was denoted by BA.



Feels good to be the blind squirrel every once in a while...

Andy the Aussie
April 07, 2017, 19:05
Couple of the last year production ('88?) Beech stocks - looks like Izzy. .... Skennerton's book was written around 89 then they went and made some more stocks in 1990.... ;) ;)

Bathurst Rifle Factory No 2 in Australia was denoted by BA. ... hummmm that is where I was thinking, that said I would not put it past LGW making up a new code for the production. I have no actual knowledge of any part production away from LGW other than the Slazenger wood. Being Australian, there is also nothing to say that the "BS" code given on a large batch of handguards was not the personal opinion of the role by person who's job it was to apply said stamp.

NZ L1A1 Collector
April 14, 2017, 04:36
The Australians didn't start playing with Laminated Handguards till 1967. As they didn't receive component parts from the UK till September 1967. The first rifle to be fitted with laminated handguards was AD6804834 (14/6/68)

It took 9 months to trial, test, evaluate and set up for manufacturing for these new handguards. The first handguards are fitted with British made metal components and date from 1967, I haven't found written documentation that they also supplied the laminated handguards or if they were made in Australia.

What info I have says: The bare laminates will be inspected by AIS E Comd and forwarded to SAF under cover of release notes. ........... The fittings which initially will be supplied ex UK are:- ..... visually examined for phosphating and freedom from rust and other defects including sharp edges.

Mark 1 (initial production with British fittings, flat rivets) Laminated Handguards Marked:-
BS1967
BS1968

Mark 1 Laminated Handguards (Australian fittings, flat rivets) Marked:-
BS1968

Mark 2 Laminated Handguards (Australian fittings, hollow rivets) Marked:-
BS1968
MAxx

Andy the Aussie
April 14, 2017, 17:35
Brilliant mate...thanks...!!!

G3isMe
April 14, 2017, 20:18
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Mark 1 (initial production with British fittings, flat rivets) Laminated Handguards Marked:-
BS1967
BS1968

Mark 1 Laminated Handguards (Australian fittings, flat rivets) Marked:-
BS1968

Mark 2 Laminated Handguards (Australian fittings, hollow rivets) Marked:-
BS1968
MAxx



Thanks for this information. Another mystery solved by our friend from overseas! Much appreciated! ....:bow:.....:bow:.....:bow:...



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