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catmguy445
January 27, 2017, 18:05
Please take a look and sign this.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-1986-hughes-amendment

notfrommt
January 27, 2017, 18:16
signed

Rahatlakhoom
January 27, 2017, 19:46
signed, thanks!

kurbelgehause
January 27, 2017, 20:30
Done

Trypcil
January 27, 2017, 20:32
Signed!

Bonac9
January 27, 2017, 21:17
Do you get some sort of confirmation when you've signed? I filled in the info and click sign, and nothing happens.

notfrommt
January 27, 2017, 21:36
Do you get some sort of confirmation when you've signed? I filled in the info and click sign, and nothing happens.

Did you enter an email address? If so, there should be a confirmation email that you use to verify your signature.

Bonac9
January 27, 2017, 21:55
Did you enter an email address? If so, there should be a confirmation email that you use to verify your signature.

Thanks, I'm not getting one. I saved the link and I'll try again tomorrow after restarting my computer. Sometimes after going to PhotoBucket my computer starts acting weird and I need to restart.

Bonac9
January 27, 2017, 22:26
OK, signed. For some reason IE didn't like that page and wouldn't let me sign so I used FireFox. Must be a MS plot.

Jon Frum
January 27, 2017, 23:14
signed

medicmike
January 27, 2017, 23:29
Done

Trypcil
January 28, 2017, 00:37
It's only at 3503 as of 12.37am on jan 28.

KleinTx
January 28, 2017, 06:48
Signed

2barearms
January 28, 2017, 09:29
Signed

We are being beaten by the tards that want his tax returns and want him to resign. This could be fixed by posting it on Arfcom.

Keechi
January 28, 2017, 16:49
Signed.

randy762ak
January 28, 2017, 17:49
Signed

This should be posted in general firearms section where it will be seen more !

357ross
January 28, 2017, 22:17
The problem is that so few people even know what this amendment is, even firearm enthusiasts don't know. Maybe a different petition description?

raexcct2
January 29, 2017, 02:17
signed

randy762ak
January 29, 2017, 16:38
done:bow:

SteelGreyML
January 29, 2017, 22:53
Signed.

RONSERESURPLUS
January 30, 2017, 09:52
I looked this over, definitally signed it, but i see it has very little chance of making it! Way too many old laws thast make no sense nearly impossible to repeal once are law?

Ron

randy762ak
January 30, 2017, 10:48
I dont think we can reach the numbers ==!

I hope we do! This and the other poll need to make it to every web site we can get it too!

lostmybearing
January 30, 2017, 10:58
signed

TenTea
January 30, 2017, 11:19
Done, did it.

Delta-3
January 30, 2017, 14:58
Done!

Louis
January 30, 2017, 17:08
Done.

John A
January 30, 2017, 20:07
Needs 95,900 signatures by February 19

That's pretty pathetic.

nitrotn97
January 31, 2017, 18:50
done

RomanLeaderII
February 01, 2017, 07:35
Why should there be any question about this? The Government needs the money and where is the harm?

Done!

pierre
February 02, 2017, 01:36
Signed, but not optimistic. Worth a try, in any case.

EBRfan
February 05, 2017, 23:54
Done.

hueyville
February 10, 2017, 08:49
14,493 as of this date. Forwarded this link to some friends, about half are afraid will get on a "list" if sign it. Everyone sent to currently own a full auto, suppressor, destructive device or AOW. Can't believe they think this will get them in deeper. I like being on lists. Figure the more dot gov papers submitted, background checks done, taxes paid shows a tendency to follow the laws of the land. Like never buying solvent trap parts online or with credit card shows not building devices and sidestepping the law. ATF shut down SD Tactical Arms solvent trap business, bet they confiscated their database of buyers if hadn't already gotten it through monitoring ISP's. Even a former FBI agent was arrested for having a solvent trap suppressor.

A bit off topic but considered buying one of the registered oil can adapters but discovered that changing the oil filter must be done by manufacturer to be legal by this lawyers interpretation.

https://johnpierceesq.com/suppressors-solvent-traps-and-legal-traps/

Anyone know different? Think would be a handy device to own but if sending to have a filter change is required legally don't want any part of it. If ATF has ruled the adapter is the complete suppressor and not the filter too a handful of thread adapters and case of oil filters would be handy. Have a truck with a big Caterpillar and oil pressure spikes to top of 150 psi gauge on startup then drops to 40 psi idle and up big hill will ease up toward 100 psi. Have only found one filter that won't bust on startup and bet it would hold pressure of a magnum rifle.

ALL FAL
February 11, 2017, 17:46
The Three petitions combined would be a large ## wanting the repeal, any lawyers out there weigh in on this?? Thanks. :)

ServiceRifle
February 12, 2017, 07:58
The Washington D.C. swamp hasn't been drained far enough to permit this to happen.

The Republicans in Congress don't have the balls to do it.

101ABN327
February 12, 2017, 10:53
Here is another one…. Sign it!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-nfa

Sim69z28
February 14, 2017, 01:36
I signed

hueyville
February 15, 2017, 04:55
Here is another one…. Sign it!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-nfa

148,000 plus on that one. Should be in the millions.

Gary104
February 15, 2017, 14:53
Signed.

madmax_fal
February 18, 2017, 08:58
Signed.

ALL FAL
February 18, 2017, 20:30
Done Did.

raubvogel
February 19, 2017, 08:10
148,000 plus on that one. Should be in the millions.

That is reserved for asking for his tax records

PASHOOTER
February 19, 2017, 15:18
Signed it!

SteelGreyML
February 21, 2017, 12:27
Pretty close to 100k now.... I get we missed the deadline... bummer

Since the Hughes amendment is a law, doesn't congress have to be the ones to strike it down? Even if Trump wanted to, he couldn't, I thought.

Watch Ryder
February 22, 2017, 12:56
Pretty close to 100k now.... I get we missed the deadline... bummer

Since the Hughes amendment is a law, doesn't congress have to be the ones to strike it down? Even if Trump wanted to, he couldn't, I thought.

EOs are a beautiful thing when in the right hands. :)

Also, it looks like this one made the deadline!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-nfa

.30-06
March 04, 2017, 14:57
I remember signing this when Hickok45 posted the link on facebook. So pissed it got as close as it did and fell short by the deadline...:facepalm:

new one was posted. Sign it. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-1986-full-auto-ban-18-usc-ss-922o

lightguy
March 11, 2017, 14:13
I want things to stay exactly where they are now. (Minus the new "improved" Trust requirements and minus time waiting on transfers.)
I'd lose my butt investment wise if new MGs flooded the market.

raexcct2
March 11, 2017, 20:48
I want things to stay exactly where they are now. (Minus the new "improved" Trust requirements and minus time waiting on transfers.)
I'd lose my butt investment wise if new MGs flooded the market.

With that attitude, I hope the repeal of the machine gun ban passes and you lose your ass off.

ALL FAL
March 13, 2017, 11:40
+1 Hector.

RONSERESURPLUS
March 13, 2017, 14:36
Lets see? U Paid too much in fee's and taxes, so I should be forced to do same? Yea Hell of an attitude he's got there, one can hope loses his ass when things get better

Stranger
March 14, 2017, 13:55
I want things to stay exactly where they are now. (Minus the new "improved" Trust requirements and minus time waiting on transfers.)
I'd lose my butt investment wise if new MGs flooded the market.

You are an ass and I hope you lose it.

Fed.gov ban-created "investments" are a travesty of freedom.

Every time you look at your "investment" I hope you feel nothing but shame.

Sampson1986
March 22, 2017, 21:19
I want things to stay exactly where they are now.
I'd lose my butt investment wise if new MGs flooded the market.

I'd lose a fair amount of money, too. Boo hoo. I'd gladly lose it all for the sake of freedom.

May your chains rest heavily upon you. :]

ncjeeper
March 23, 2017, 20:29
I don't mind losing some money because I would end up coming out ahead by being able to convert my AR's and Fal to full auto.

lightguy
March 30, 2017, 08:39
I'd lose a fair amount of money, too. Boo hoo. I'd gladly lose it all for the sake of freedom.

May your chains rest heavily upon you. :]

Yeah about a quarter of a million in chains.
Such a burden.
Try not to feel sorry for me OK ?

You all sound like liberals; "Give me free stuff".

raexcct2
March 30, 2017, 20:31
Yeah about a quarter of a million in chains.
Such a burden.
Try not to feel sorry for me OK ?

You all sound like liberals; "Give me free stuff".

Not at all. We just don't agree with your philosophy of continued violation of the Second Amendment just because you can afford to have your toys and you don't want the rest of us to have the same rights as you.

Reminds me of Senators Feinstein, Boxer and Schumer who all are against gun ownership yet all have concealed carry permits.

.30-06
March 31, 2017, 19:03
Yeah about a quarter of a million in chains.
Such a burden.
Try not to feel sorry for me OK ?

You all sound like liberals; "Give me free stuff".

Your investment wont be worth a dime if it gets confiscated because people like you stand idly by while lawmakers continue to legislate firearms out of existence. I saw it happen in my home state of California. Who's to say the same thing wont happen on a national scale once the next election comes around...

Sampson1986
March 31, 2017, 19:37
Yeah about a quarter of a million in chains.
Such a burden.
Try not to feel sorry for me OK ?

You all sound like liberals; "Give me free stuff".

I'm not sorry that you are a ******* retard and that you "invested" poorly. Maybe you should have spent that money on precious metals instead - something with a little less risk involved. I rather enjoy it when people like you fall victim to financial natural selection because of your stupidity.

By the way, bitch...I have several machine guns. Nothing exquisite but I paid cash for every single one of them - no loans, no credit. I'd gladly take a loss on every one of my full autos if it meant I could have whatever I wanted.

By the way...why don't you man up for Contributor status so we can have some fresh meat down in the Basement? :devil:

ALL FAL
April 01, 2017, 14:56
Not at all. We just don't agree with your philosophy of continued violation of the Second Amendment just because you can afford to have your toys and you don't want the rest of us to have the same rights as you.

Reminds me of Senators Feinstein, Boxer and Schumer who all are against gun ownership yet all have concealed carry permits.

I'm not sorry that you are a ******* retard and that you "invested" poorly. Maybe you should have spent that money on precious metals instead - something with a little less risk involved. I rather enjoy it when people like you fall victim to financial natural selection because of your stupidity.

By the way, bitch...I have several machine guns. Nothing exquisite but I paid cash for every single one of them - no loans, no credit. I'd gladly take a loss on every one of my full autos if it meant I could have whatever I wanted.

By the way...why don't you man up for Contributor status so we can have some fresh meat down in the Basement? :devil:

Ahh, You Guys do see now where I have been coming from. :)

wilmermj
April 01, 2017, 18:53
Yeah about a quarter of a million in chains.
Such a burden.
Try not to feel sorry for me OK ?

You all sound like liberals; "Give me free stuff".

Nobody wants free stuff, everyone here wants to be free to have the stuff they want. I think your attitude towards this "stuff" is a little on the silly side. If you are buying Class III for investments you are not doing it for the right reasons.

The best part is if the Hughs, HPA and NFA stuff were to be repealed/passed there would be a flood of conversions, parts, guns sold then when people realize how much ammo they burn or how much of a novelty a can is the prices will drop harder. Signed and delivered.

lightguy
April 01, 2017, 21:24
Not at all. We just don't agree with your philosophy of continued violation of the Second Amendment just because you can afford to have your toys and you don't want the rest of us to have the same rights as you.

Reminds me of Senators Feinstein, Boxer and Schumer who all are against gun ownership yet all have concealed carry permits.

But you do have exactly the same rights.
The difference is that I have stepped up to the plate and put my money where my mouth is. Both in effort and time. Freedom isn't free as the saying goes.
Should machineguns be issued free to everyone ?
No ? What is a fair price then ?
How about the single mother of 5 that can't afford a newly legal $2,000 M16.
To her you are the elitist.
Are you going to stand up for her in the name of freedom ?

BTW I'm a big second ammendment fan and NRA member.
The second is a slippery thing.
Do you have the right to have nuclear weapons ? The second taken literally would allow it.
Do you want the gang bangers and Ahmed to have easy unrestricted access to cheap MACs and possibly weapons of mass destruction ?

I have the balls to say this isn't about freedom.
This is about money and effort.
Period.

Sampson1986
April 02, 2017, 14:28
blah,blah,blah...I'm a big second ammendment fan and NRA member...blah,blah,blah...

What is this "second ammendment" of which you speak? I am only familiar with the Second Amendment.

Oh and I am an NRA member as well...and a GOA member...and a Montana Shooting Sports Association member...and an NFA Freedom Alliance member...and a...well, you get the picture.

blah,blah,blah...I have the balls to say this isn't about freedom.
This is about money and effort.
Period.

Which reminds me...where is your financial contribution to the Files? This place ain't free, you know.

John A
April 02, 2017, 14:42
I too am a machinegun owner. Have 6 stamps, waiting on a 7th.

I don't care about the money value of my collection. I would gladly "take a hit" in what my collection is "worth", because to me, my collection is priceless anyway.

I have always been appalled at the 1986 MG ban.

Yep, if MG ban were to expire, I'd even figure out a way to make my my entire collection full auto, with the exception of a few family heirloom single shot break action shotguns.

medicmike
April 02, 2017, 15:21
Even if....and that is a BIG if...the Hughes Amend was repealed. I would doubt there would be a drop in classic machineguns. I don't see BARs, MG42s, Thompsons or even early m16s etal getting any cheaper. M11's STEN parts guns, etc values would go in the toilet.

If one has invested wisely then a repeal shouldn't be that big of a deal.

I would love to see it repealed. Not because I have a hankering to play with full-auto (been there, done that) but because I think we should have the freedom to own what we would like with a minimum of .gov interference.

If it is repealed I would still have no intention of buying anything with the happy switch.

TerryN
April 02, 2017, 22:40
As I see it, we're asking POTUS to declare a standing law invalid/rescinded/whatever. That ain't how it works here in the US. At least not yet.

Another congresscritter has got to introduce legislation to do away with the existing legislation, get it through both the House and Senate (without having another Hughes-type amendment attached to it), and get POTUS to sign it.

I went through this under Yomama's regime; something involving defunding BATFe, IIRC. That petition easily got enough signatures. The reply from the White House.gov? 'Not my job, man.'

raexcct2
April 03, 2017, 02:05
As I see it, we're asking POTUS to declare a standing law invalid/rescinded/whatever. That ain't how it works here in the US. At least not yet.

Another congresscritter has got to introduce legislation to do away with the existing legislation, get it through both the House and Senate (without having another Hughes-type amendment attached to it), and get POTUS to sign it.

I went through this under Yomama's regime; something involving defunding BATFe, IIRC. That petition easily got enough signatures. The reply from the White House.gov? 'Not my job, man.'

Yes, I understand this but if the White House gets enough signatures maybe they will pressure the dipshit RINOs in Congress to repeal the Hughes Ban. I don't trust the POS Congress to do anything unless they are pressured into it.

raexcct2
April 03, 2017, 02:14
But you do have exactly the same rights.
The difference is that I have stepped up to the plate and put my money where my mouth is. Both in effort and time. Freedom isn't free as the saying goes.
Should machineguns be issued free to everyone ?
No ? What is a fair price then ?
How about the single mother of 5 that can't afford a newly legal $2,000 M16.
To her you are the elitist.
Are you going to stand up for her in the name of freedom ?

BTW I'm a big second ammendment fan and NRA member.
The second is a slippery thing.
Do you have the right to have nuclear weapons ? The second taken literally would allow it.
Do you want the gang bangers and Ahmed to have easy unrestricted access to cheap MACs and possibly weapons of mass destruction ?

I have the balls to say this isn't about freedom.
This is about money and effort.
Period.

Gangbangers already have access to real full auto weapons courtesy of small arms trafficking.

The escalating prices of NFA weapons is only due to the artificial induced limited supply due to the Hughes Bill banning future manufacture after 1986.

Yes, I understand you're rich and can afford your toys.

I have no NFA items because I spent half of my military career overseas where I couldn't bring ANY weapons over and my family lived in Chicago so storing my weapons there was also a no-go. I usually wound up selling my gun collections every time I got orders overseas.

My point is that the whole ban was and is still unconstitutional and it's folks like you that fight it's repeal because it's about money for you. To me you are as much the enemy as Sen Schumer and Feinstein.

Also I'm an NRA Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation member, and GOA member.

Bertellione
April 20, 2017, 01:13
But you do have exactly the same rights.
The difference is that I have stepped up to the plate and put my money where my mouth is. Both in effort and time. Freedom isn't free as the saying goes.
Should machineguns be issued free to everyone ?
No ? What is a fair price then ?
How about the single mother of 5 that can't afford a newly legal $2,000 M16.
To her you are the elitist.
Are you going to stand up for her in the name of freedom ?

BTW I'm a big second ammendment fan and NRA member.
The second is a slippery thing.
Do you have the right to have nuclear weapons ? The second taken literally would allow it.
Do you want the gang bangers and Ahmed to have easy unrestricted access to cheap MACs and possibly weapons of mass destruction ?

I have the balls to say this isn't about freedom.
This is about money and effort.
Period.

You sir are a dumb shit. You brag about having a quarter million worth in machine guns and how it's your investment. From your writings you sound like an anti-gun snow flake. If I had a quarter million dollars worth of guns and could afford to feed them I would at least be a contributor. As far as gangbangers and terrorists go what do they care they convert them whether illegal or legal. That comment really makes you sound like the dumb **** anti gunner who spews shit out of their mouths, example gun show loop holes. I'll bet you voted for Hitlary lmao.

greenpeas
April 20, 2017, 11:17
You sir are a dumb shit. You brag about having a quarter million worth in machine guns and how it's your investment. From your writings you sound like an anti-gun snow flake. If I had a quarter million dollars worth of guns and could afford to feed them I would at least be a contributor. As far as gangbangers and terrorists go what do they care they convert them whether illegal or legal. That comment really makes you sound like the dumb **** anti gunner who spews shit out of their mouths, example gun show loop holes. I'll bet you voted for Hitlary lmao.

Dang, somebody is a little cranky.

Sampson1986
April 25, 2017, 17:33
Let's be blunt.
So what can we as investors do to kill it ?
Machine Guns are not only a neat toy but a substantial monetary investment.

This turd is really worried about losing his ass financially.

ETA: The quote is in regards to the Repeal the NFA petition that was circulating around a couple months ago.

greenpeas
April 26, 2017, 08:48
This turd is really worried about losing his ass financially.

ETA: The quote is in regards to the Repeal the NFA petition that was circulating around a couple months ago.

How would you feel if all of a sudden the house you worked your whole life to pay off was suddenly worthless and they started giving houses away?

The entitled welfare free house folks would think it was great. The guy who worked hard to pay for his home might not agree. I don't think this makes the working guy an asshole.

I own some machine guns and I would be a little agitated if all of a sudden my guns became worthless overnight. That doesn't make me an asshole.

Let's be honest though. This will never happen. There was a similar petition some time ago requesting the United States build a death star.

Sampson1986
April 26, 2017, 16:58
How would you feel if all of a sudden the house you worked your whole life to pay off was suddenly worthless and they started giving houses away?

The entitled welfare free house folks would think it was great. The guy who worked hard to pay for his home might not agree. I don't think this makes the working guy an asshole.

Such is life. I might not like it but I'd keep doing what I've been doing - getting up, going to work, paying what I owe, and putting one foot in front of the other.

I own some machine guns and I would be a little agitated if all of a sudden my guns became worthless overnight. That doesn't make me an asshole. If you actively fought to deny the liberty of others...then yes, you most certainly would be an asshole.

I have factored this into my decision to buy machineguns. The risk is worth it to me and I have never invested more than I thought I could afford to lose. Natural selection favors the wise.

Let's be honest though. This will never happen. There was a similar petition some time ago requesting the United States build a death star.

Well, no ******* shit. Too many shitheads in power and too many fudd ****s.

John A
April 26, 2017, 19:23
How would you feel if all of a sudden the house you worked your whole life to pay off was suddenly worthless and they started giving houses away?

The entitled welfare free house folks would think it was great. The guy who worked hard to pay for his home might not agree. I don't think this makes the working guy an asshole.

I own some machine guns and I would be a little agitated if all of a sudden my guns became worthless overnight. That doesn't make me an asshole.

Let's be honest though. This will never happen. There was a similar petition some time ago requesting the United States build a death star.

Just to go on record, I have a machinegun. And I worked hard and paid cash for it. Matter of fact, I own more than a half a dozen taxed guns matter of fact.

Trust me, this guy is an asshole.

I prefer to have all 100% of my rights.

If I want to drill a hole in all of my AR15 receivers, I should be able to drill all the holes I want and make them shoot as fast or slow as I want.

I should not have to pay anyone extra to do it.

And I should not under any circumstances ever have to pay a tax to do it.

Let me repeat that again.

I should not have to pay a tax to do it.

Americans have a RIGHT to own and bear arms.

Not just some of them.

Not only certain classes of guns, not only guns that are slow to load, not only scary guns, not black guns, not just bb guns, not just less than lethal guns, and not only guns available to "wealthier" people.

That's as plain and clear as I can be about it.

NFA should go away.

Anyone that pays astronomical prices for a gun and doesn't want everyone else to be able to own the same guns, well, fuq 'em.

John A
April 26, 2017, 19:28
While I am thinking about this, at one time, there was a tax on tea. Caused a little thing called a revolution that started this great country of ours.

A bunch of guys stood up for doing the right thing and told the old king to go fuq his self.

Here's a little what he said, and I tend to agree lock stock and barrel.

"“If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.”
― Samuel Adams

madmax_fal
April 27, 2017, 07:20
Just to go on record, I have a machinegun. And I worked hard and paid cash for it. Matter of fact, I own more than a half a dozen taxed guns matter of fact.

Trust me, this guy is an asshole.

I prefer to have all 100% of my rights.

If I want to drill a hole in all of my AR15 receivers, I should be able to drill all the holes I want and make them shoot as fast or slow as I want.

I should not have to pay anyone extra to do it.

And I should not under any circumstances ever have to pay a tax to do it.

Let me repeat that again.

I should not have to pay a tax to do it.

Americans have a RIGHT to own and bear arms.

Not just some of them.

Not only certain classes of guns, not only guns that are slow to load, not only scary guns, not black guns, not just bb guns, not just less than lethal guns, and not only guns available to "wealthier" people.

That's as plain and clear as I can be about it.

NFA should go away.

Anyone that pays astronomical prices for a gun and doesn't want everyone else to be able to own the same guns, well, fuq 'em.

Well said sir! Greenpeas can't use a correct analogy either. They don't "give" away machine guns in the same way they don't "give away" Ruger 10-22s. Nor would any regulatory change legalizing machine guns for poorer people cause such to happen.

greenpeas
April 27, 2017, 10:50
It's easy to say that you SHOULDN'T have to pay a tax but virtually everything you own is taxed. Time to grow up and put on your big boy pants, you want an NFA item, pay the tax.

Either play the game or don't. Honesty, I'm surprised civilians can own machine guns at all.

All this bullshit about we have a right to own machine guns is just that. Our founding fathers owned slaves, should you be able to own slaves? Only white property owning, tax paying males were allowed to vote. Is that a good idea? These guys rode around on horses with muskets and swords. I don't think they had GE Miniguns in mind when they were thinking about that whole keep and bear arms thing.

John A
April 27, 2017, 11:08
:facepalm:

It's not very often that I have a loss for words.

This is certainly one of them though.

I'm sure the founding fathers didn't envision us ever having a TV or internet or radio stations either. Should the 1st amendment only cover newspapers and books and printed word on paper?

hardheaded
April 27, 2017, 16:23
I would be ok paying the NFA tax if they could just include new manufacture Class 3 weapons public availability

But that's not going to happen either

nopec
April 27, 2017, 17:57
I would be ok paying the NFA tax if they could just include new manufacture Class 3 weapons public availability

But that's not going to happen either

Agreed on the new stuff. It's the artificial shortage coupled with the use of the tax code to prevent ownership or manufacturing that gets me. I don't even want anything FA except for two FN p90s, two Kriss Vectors and a box of M16A3s

Sampson1986
April 27, 2017, 20:52
It's easy to say that you SHOULDN'T have to pay a tax but virtually everything you own is taxed. Time to grow up and put on your big boy pants, you want an NFA item, pay the tax.

Either play the game or don't. Honesty, I'm surprised civilians can own machine guns at all.

All this bullshit about we have a right to own machine guns is just that. Our founding fathers owned slaves, should you be able to own slaves? Only white property owning, tax paying males were allowed to vote. Is that a good idea? These guys rode around on horses with muskets and swords. I don't think they had GE Miniguns in mind when they were thinking about that whole keep and bear arms thing.

I thought you said that you weren't an asshole? Well, I beg to differ.

Do you think owning a shitty M11 makes you cool? It doesn't.

Seriously, just get the **** off the Files. You don't belong here.

P.S. The founders didn't know about Scientology either. Does that make it any less protected as a religious belief?

lightguy
May 03, 2017, 13:42
My point is that the whole ban was and is still unconstitutional and it's folks like you that fight it's repeal because it's about money for you. To me you are as much the enemy as Sen Schumer and Feinstein.

Also I'm an NRA Life Member, Second Amendment Foundation member, and GOA member.


I don't fight it I just don't support it.
Its not all about money.
There are a hundred better investments than machineguns.

Bring up a bill for COMBAT vets to "bring back" their service machinegun and I'm for it.


Hey you made the choice to reenlist not me. My family (including myself) has done their part for generations. Trust me there was no "Thank you for your service" when I was in.
Its seems everyone here is all for "Freedom" except for when someone brings up an opposing thought to this groupthink session.
Then its Free Speech.... as long as you agree.

PS what an uncivilized Lord of the Flies forum this is.

Unmoderated hoodlums.

And someone asked why I don't contribute $ here.
LMAO.

Sampson1986
May 04, 2017, 17:30
I don't fight it I just don't support it.
Its not all about money.
There are a hundred better investments than machineguns.

Bring up a bill for COMBAT vets to "bring back" their service machinegun and I'm for it.


Hey you made the choice to reenlist not me. My family (including myself) has done their part for generations. Trust me there was no "Thank you for your service" when I was in.
Its seems everyone here is all for "Freedom" except for when someone brings up an opposing thought to this groupthink session.
Then its Free Speech.... as long as you agree.

PS what an uncivilized Lord of the Flies forum this is.

Unmoderated hoodlums.

And someone asked why I don't contribute $ here.
LMAO.

Blah, blah, blah...

If you don't like it here then why don't you pack your shit and leave? I sure as shit won't miss you.

hueyville
May 04, 2017, 23:47
I want our rights back but belive it won't happen. Will posture and pontificate and we will get a bone or two like national carry for CCW holders and repatriation of some U.S. made guns. Folks are all excited that 110 congressmen are supporting the Hearing Protection Act but the Senate version only has 11 backers last I heard. Has to be batted back and forth then passed by both before the president can sign it. Most good legislation gets neutered in the process. If my full autos and suppressors drop in value will go buy a bunch more and call it cost averaging.

Bertellione
May 05, 2017, 03:35
Dang, somebody is a little cranky.

Just being honest about a dumb****. It is people like him that help to keep them out of the available price range to the regular people. If he was a smart investor in machine guns the hit wouldn't be as bad if legalized. A factory built will always be worth more than a conversion. The same with semi when it come to factory or a parts gun which is worth more always the factory. He is everything I said due to the fact that his investment is based on a class system, only the elite should be aloud to have them and he basically said that. How many gun enthusiast in this country that work hard every day and make minimum wage and can not afford a 50,000$ Colt M16 and not even the 20,000$ lesser name M16.

Sampson1986
May 05, 2017, 06:10
How many gun enthusiast in this country that work hard every day and make minimum wage and can not afford a 50,000$ Colt M16 and not even the 20,000$ lesser name M16.

If everyone could afford a full auto weapon due to deregulation, a lot of machine gun owners wouldn't feel so special anymore. I have encountered more than one person in the NFA community who thinks he is somehow superior to others because he has a machine gun or suppressor when most people do not.

I own several machine guns and I intend to own even more as resources allow. I would gladly take a hit moneywise if it meant I could have some more due to deregulation.