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BM59
January 22, 2017, 10:31
https://youtu.be/vwZuG7-xkBk


Pre-ordered nearly a year ago and been waiting with patience since, but I'd rather have a quality product than having to deal with recalls. Stg44 is a legendary rifle and the ultimate roller-blocker, I hope we can get a good clone (with mods/improvements over the original design) which can be shot with no remorse.

And for the unhappy "purists", feel free to buy the original for $28500 if you can afford it...
https://www.rockislandauction.com/detail/58/571

Klaus Von Richter
January 22, 2017, 19:10
I hope HMG can deliver but it is not looking that great with all the delays and I still haven't seen a video of one making it through a mag. I would love to have a STG 44 clone/hybrid so I try to remain optimistic but it is not looking good.

Combloc
January 22, 2017, 19:14
Unless it's a direct copy of this only semi auto, I have zero interest:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/MP44/P1130560_zpsu9xlljxf.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/MP44/P1130560_zpsu9xlljxf.jpg.html)

And BTW, they aren't roller locked! Also, yes, the STG44 IS legendary but they aren't building an STG44. They're building.....whatever that thing is.

hkshooter
January 22, 2017, 21:26
Unless it's a direct copy of this only semi auto, I have zero interest:



And BTW, they aren't roller locked! Also, yes, the STG44 IS legendary but they aren't building an STG44. They're building.....whatever that thing is.

This is kinda how I feel about these. They are going to a whole lot of trouble to copy something without, ya know, copying it. It'll make reenactors happy but beyond that I don't see them selling any. Part of the allure of the StG44 is that it's an StG44.
Regardless, I will never own either.
It was an interesting video for sure. I learned more about the rifle than I knew before. Thanks for posting.

BM59
January 22, 2017, 21:45
And BTW, they aren't roller locked! Also, yes, the STG44 IS legendary but they aren't building an STG44. They're building.....whatever that thing is.

My bad, the STG44 had indeed a gas system. Mauser introduced roller locks with the Gerät 06(H) which was going into service as STG45. The war was over before that and German engineers went to Spain to work at the CETME.

hkshooter
January 22, 2017, 22:04
The guy in the video also called it a roller bolt. Honest mistake, misinformed, or an idiot? Maybe he misspoke, he explained it well as a tilting bolt and compared it to the FAL and SKS later, which is correct.

Edit to correct terminology.

Combloc
January 22, 2017, 23:45
My bad, the STG44 had indeed a gas system. Mauser introduced roller locks with the Gerät 06(H) which was going into service as STG45. The war was over before that and German engineers went to Spain to work at the CETME.

Now ya' got it buddy!! :)

I would trade much of my collection for an accurate semi auto STG45. I talked to Ian from Forgotten Weapons about the one he did a video on. It was a one-off copied from an original in the 1970's. The owned wishes to remain anonymous and it's not for sale at any price. Too bad! :(

If I have a "grail" rifle, it's definitely the STG45. Unfortunately, this is the closest I'll ever get to one:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/MP44/P1140030_zpsegqbdv2v.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/MP44/P1140030_zpsegqbdv2v.jpg.html)

At least it was made by the company started by guys who worked on the project.

hansellhd
January 23, 2017, 00:57
It's easy for me to say I would never Purchase one because I have the PTR44 that has been converted to use original MP44 internals.

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/hansellhd013/DSCN3694_zpsyfozwifk.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/hansellhd013/DSCN3694_zpsyfozwifk.jpg.html)

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/hansellhd013/DSCN3692_zpskqcbyovx.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/hansellhd013/DSCN3692_zpskqcbyovx.jpg.html)

If not for that I would most likely be on his list myself. :eek: Out of desperation. :rofl:

hansellhd
January 23, 2017, 01:03
The guy in the video also called it a roller bolt. Honest mistake, misinformed, or an idiot? Maybe he misspoke, he explained it well as a falling bolt and compared it to the FAL and SKS later, which is correct.

Tilting Bolt would be the correct term.

Cornpone
January 23, 2017, 08:47
Unless it's a direct copy of this only semi auto, I have zero interest:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/MP44/P1130560_zpsu9xlljxf.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/MP44/P1130560_zpsu9xlljxf.jpg.html)

And BTW, they aren't roller locked! Also, yes, the STG44 IS legendary but they aren't building an STG44. They're building.....whatever that thing is.


This^^^but it's StG not STG.

hkshooter
January 23, 2017, 08:52
Tilting Bolt would be the correct term.


Yes, thank you.

rbgonoles
January 23, 2017, 09:15
I'm interested in it for what it is. I'll never be able to afford a real one. This is a pretty good looking clone. A true semi-auto copy would likely be in the $3,000 - $5,000 range like the OOW BAR or SMG's FG42 (which has about the same amount of changes if not more to the original design). Overall, what it is, is a range toy and there are plenty of people who love range toys.:)

hansellhd
January 23, 2017, 09:56
I'm interested in it for what it is. I'll never be able to afford a real one. This is a pretty good looking clone. A true semi-auto copy would likely be in the $3,000 - $5,000 range like the OOW BAR or SMG's FG42 (which has about the same amount of changes if not more to the original design). Overall, what it is, is a range toy and there are plenty of people who love range toys.:)

It's not a Clone, not even close to one. (like the SMG FG42) Semi Auto look alike would be closer to the truth. :| That has been the main criticism all along and the fact that they can't deliver product on time.

BM59
January 23, 2017, 10:25
I believe we all agree this is not meant to be a prized collectable item worth sitting next - or replacing - the original. Those are for the ones of us who can afford them or lucky enough to get one at a reasonable price (by the way congratulations Combloc :bow:). Interestingly, on the other side of the pond you can still get an original one for 4000-5000 Euros.

It is however going to give a close experience of shooting a StG44 - or at least as close as you can get now while spending less then $2K. I also respect HMG for their entrepreneurial spirit and I wish them to succeed - not only because I would like to get a good working one, but also because it would be a great Made in USA story.

Combloc
January 23, 2017, 13:56
(by the way congratulations Combloc :bow:). Interestingly, on the other

That's not my rifle unfortunately but belongs to a friend of mine.