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Incognito
December 12, 2016, 21:27
Why did they design these triangle and polymer folding stocks to fold on the same side as the scope mount; making them useless if you have optics mounted??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????

John Crusher
December 12, 2016, 22:29
I wondered the same thing. My Obzor is great on my SLR-104 but because I can't fold the darn thing it has to be kept in a larger case for my truck gun. I had it in a tennis racquet case before I scoped it. Now not so incognito.
Pun not intended !

hansellhd
December 14, 2016, 10:58
I don't know why, but because of it I won't own one ever. Every folder I have folds to the Right.

C2A1
December 14, 2016, 12:09
Maybe because of the selector switch location.

gentlemanjoe
December 14, 2016, 17:24
If it folded to the right side it would obstruct the ejection port and cover the selector.

sjohnson
December 14, 2016, 17:50
Because a folded-stock, scoped AK is somehow more accurate and deadly? :facepalm:

Because, with that 6 inch high scope (night vision in this case), it takes up less space when in transport? :facepalm:

Proud owner of several AK rifles and milsurps in general.

gunplumber
December 14, 2016, 18:59
I suspect it has to do with the size of the USSR - changes are very difficult since it involves so many units. The scope rail came about early, but it was a special purpose thing. As did the scope mount. The wire folder could fold to the right without preventing the rifle from operating in the travel position. Not so on the RPKS, which had to fold to the left. Since the USSR was the innovator in combined arms and true mechanized infantry, the folding stock wasn't just for paratroopers. The scope was QD. Scopes in the 70s even were not standard issue, but for special purposes, and the primarily for the early night vision - which was bulky enough that it wasn't going to stay mounted all the time.

So in short, the evolution of the equipment made firing from travel position more important than going to travel position with the scope mounted.

I just use the Ultimak and don't worry about it.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/wp/ak/ak-family-01.jpg

Near Sighted Sniper
December 14, 2016, 19:18
I suspect it has to do with the size of the USSR - changes are very difficult since it involves so many units. The scope rail came about early, but it was a special purpose thing. As did the scope mount. The wire folder could fold to the right without preventing the rifle from operating in the travel position. Not so on the RPKS, which had to fold to the left. Since the USSR was the innovator in combined arms and true mechanized infantry, the folding stock wasn't just for paratroopers. The scope was QD. Scopes in the 70s even were not standard issue, but for special purposes, and the primarily for the early night vision - which was bulky enough that it wasn't going to stay mounted all the time.

So in short, the evolution of the equipment made firing from travel position more important than going to travel position with the scope mounted.

I just use the Ultimak and don't worry about it.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/wp/ak/ak-family-01.jpg


Mark, I spoke with you last month about doing a build for me, you told me to call back in January, I will. But while speaking with you back then I mentioned how much I wanted your geckoflage pattern on a few of my rifles. After seeing these pics I really, really wish you would do another run of that pattern. Those AK's are absolutely BEAUTIFUL!!!!!
Take care, Mick.

chino*74
December 14, 2016, 19:42
Agree just run an Ultimak top & no problems. Scope what U want.

def90
December 14, 2016, 20:55
Folder was designed for the same reasons all folders are. Scope/optic was an afterthought that was only added and used by a small number of specialist troops at a later time.

darkest2000
December 15, 2016, 01:46
Because the ability to operate the weapon outweighs the ability to mount a scope.

slavicshooter
December 15, 2016, 13:17
Comrades must use corrective lenses. Agent #3 says scopes and other weapon optics are not spoken of in the company of men.:facepalm:~ssİ
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c118/slavicshooter/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-12/Screenshot_2016-12-15-12-01-16-1_zpsy9hlaunz.jpg (http://s26.photobucket.com/user/slavicshooter/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-12/Screenshot_2016-12-15-12-01-16-1_zpsy9hlaunz.jpg.html)

LVMPDawg
December 15, 2016, 15:37
I resisted the Ultimak rail for a long time; thought they may get too hot or shift. No, I was wrong on both counts. They are stronk, like Bull. Well worth the $$.
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j330/P-mag/SGL31-84.jpg

hansellhd
December 18, 2016, 09:00
I resisted the Ultimak rail for a long time; thought they may get too hot or shift. No, I was wrong on both counts. They are stronk, like Bull. Well worth the $$.
http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j330/P-mag/SGL31-84.jpg

Ultimak rail is good for a red dot but worthless for a Scope, I like the BoneSteel folder myself.

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN3814_zpsz2cdwbsd.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN3814_zpsz2cdwbsd.jpg.html)

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN3818_zpsv6zvydfj.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN3818_zpsv6zvydfj.jpg.html)

I never shoot any of my rifles with the stock folded anyway.

T.C.
December 18, 2016, 19:54
I run the Ultimak with a Aimpoint...but what about the Texas Weapons System top cover?

http://www.texasweaponsystems.com/v/Images/Home%20Page%20Gallery/Home%20Page%201.png

http://www.texasweaponsystems.com/default.asp

hansellhd
December 19, 2016, 12:00
I run the Ultimak with a Aimpoint...but what about the Texas Weapons System top cover?

http://www.texasweaponsystems.com/v/Images/Home%20Page%20Gallery/Home%20Page%201.png

http://www.texasweaponsystems.com/default.asp

I have a friend who runs one on a Yugo Underfolder, He likes it and it does hold Zero.

Incognito
December 31, 2016, 12:59
I have a Polish underfolder in 7.62x39 and I love it. But I am wanting to get an Ak74 and I have always liked the triangle folder. Could one adapt one of the right side folding mechanisms to a triangle stock??

Kingtubby
December 31, 2016, 17:57
I think it has to do with the fact that if you have your weapon folded what the hell are you using optics for? If it isn't a red dot I have no idea why you're even using optics on a side folder Ak. You're basically firing out of a car window or from the hip or whatever else that you would do while you have a thing stashed away for covert purposes. If you want to use optics, Have a second rifle for that purpose.

Timber Wolf
January 01, 2017, 10:54
http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN3818_zpsv6zvydfj.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN3818_zpsv6zvydfj.jpg.html)

How is the eye relief on that setup? I like the lowness of that rig but think the scope need to be forward a little.

hansellhd
January 01, 2017, 14:35
How is the eye relief on that setup? I like the lowness of that rig but think the scope need to be forward a little.

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN3824_zpse7qm5uvl.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN3824_zpse7qm5uvl.jpg.html)

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN3826_zps3glouacn.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN3826_zps3glouacn.jpg.html)

The eye relief is perfect. Just order the NATO length stock like I did.

http://bonesteelarms.com/Ak-Saiga-Folding-Galil-style-stock-AKFSGL.htm

Timber Wolf
January 01, 2017, 15:44
The eye relief is perfect. Just order the NATO length stock like I did.

Ahh, I missed the longer stock. I have a couple of the Nato length fixed stocks I would probably use in this application.

Incognito
January 01, 2017, 20:05
I think it has to do with the fact that if you have your weapon folded what the hell are you using optics for? If it isn't a red dot I have no idea why you're even using optics on a side folder Ak. You're basically firing out of a car window or from the hip or whatever else that you would do while you have a thing stashed away for covert purposes. If you want to use optics, Have a second rifle for that purpose.

This makes no sense. Almost all of my rifles have folding stocks and also optics. My favorite FAL has a folding stock and a scope. I fold the stock because it makes transporting the rifle easier and more convenient. I do not want to have to remove my optics when I fold the stock.

Incognito
January 01, 2017, 22:20
I think I found what I am looking for at CNC Warrior.

Cartel
January 06, 2017, 16:46
The UltiMAK optic mount is a winner in my books.

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/986S/50CFC7CD-5553-4287-8B10-6AAB307B75D4_zpspibhbnov.jpg (http://s640.photobucket.com/user/986S/media/50CFC7CD-5553-4287-8B10-6AAB307B75D4_zpspibhbnov.jpg.html)