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GunOwner2011
June 01, 2016, 19:14
I saw some Garrand Receivers in the white being sold as 80% today.

I have no idea of what to offer the Seller for them.

I've never even seen Garrand 80% receivers offered for sale before.

The Seller was asking $25 each for them.

djfin
June 02, 2016, 10:50
Who made the parts that you have

GunOwner2011
June 02, 2016, 13:00
No markings on them, but I think they are from Enterprise.

Also saw some 0% AR Lowers. Can't tell how they were made. I didn't see anything that could be forge marks.

Super B
June 04, 2016, 07:51
You are assuming the 80% was done correctly........

Archilochus
June 22, 2016, 15:30
I saw some Garrand Receivers in the white being sold as 80% today.

I have no idea of what to offer the Seller for them.

I've never even seen Garrand 80% receivers offered for sale before.

The Seller was asking $25 each for them.


Any links? I'd like to lay my hands on one of those castings to try some ideas for different mags on a BM59 build.

raubvogel
June 22, 2016, 21:11
I too would be interested in one or two

GunOwner2011
June 23, 2016, 19:55
Gunplumber made a deal to get all the stuff left from the Enterprise Building. I would assume that he has the 80% now.

I don't think he builds M1s, so you might want to ask him what sort of deal he'd make you.

I think I could have cherry-picked the better looking ones for $10 ea from the guys that sold the stuff to Gunplumber. If I had the time I would have grabbed a dozen FAL 80% and some of the AR-15 upper and lower 0% blanks.

I'm surprised that he got away with the two CNC tombstones and the partially cut FAL blanks that he did. I would have assumed that the tombstones, fixtures and FAL blanks in progress would have gone with the CNC machine.

Rotor
June 27, 2016, 15:32
Did they look like the middle one? ( the one in front is slightly less the 80%)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a51/Rotor_/M1/M1%20Receivers/DSCF5283.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Rotor_/media/M1/M1%20Receivers/DSCF5283.jpg.html)

JR

Archilochus
June 29, 2016, 16:51
( the one in front is slightly less the 80%)

:rofl:

I asked, and gunplumber does not have any castings to spare. He does have the molds, if anyone wants to go into production. :cool:

gunplumber
June 29, 2016, 18:16
Sold the mold today. Sorry.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/wp/eai/eai-tooling-garand-01.jpg


http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/wp/eai/eai-tooling-garand-02.jpg

Archilochus
July 01, 2016, 15:13
Sold the mold today.

Just wondering - do you know if the buyer is planning to manufacture receivers, or did they just buy it as a historical item / collectible.

gunplumber
July 01, 2016, 16:34
Well, it's not my place to identify the buyer without their approval; but it is an established company that has the resources, interest and ability to actually do something with it.

falover57
July 05, 2016, 15:35
No! No! No! That is just blasphemy! St.John of Garand would never approve! BUT! He would be amazed at how well made these Italian receivers are! A bit greasy from storage but always clean up nice

http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q699/falover57/stocks/bredas%20002_zpsgityvr0o.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/falover57/media/stocks/bredas%20002_zpsgityvr0o.jpg.html)

Those showed up today courtesy of SFRC and UPS! They were on sale and all in, the total was $328.00 CDN.:D

(Yea Canada!)

Archilochus
July 09, 2016, 13:35
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q699/falover57/stocks/bredas%20002_zpsgityvr0o.jpg (http://s1354.photobucket.com/user/falover57/media/stocks/bredas%20002_zpsgityvr0o.jpg.html)

Those showed up today courtesy of SFRC and UPS! They were on sale and all in, the total was $328.00 CDN.:D

(Yea Canada!)

I am hating you just a little bit for posting that :rofl: I need at least one of those.

gunplumber
July 09, 2016, 13:44
I found 6 garand castings in with the FAL castings - 4 raw and 2 with machining started, and 2 M14 receivers. $25 each, $12 ship, any quantity.

Rotor
July 09, 2016, 16:53
I'll buy an M14 casting.
PM coming

JR

Pat C.
July 09, 2016, 21:37
I'll take the other M14 receiver if available ,email sent.

Thanks
Pat

raubvogel
July 09, 2016, 22:19
If the M14 receivers are accounted for, I would like one of the Garand ones

Pat C.
July 09, 2016, 22:41
Some inspiration ,this was a ADI LITHGOW 10% casting I did ,also done an M14 .By IRON WORKER (ME) someone else had that handle here.
And my M14 both machined by me to USGI blueprints and heat treated to USGI specs .


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/005.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/005.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN4809_zpszklvtydf.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN4809_zpszklvtydf.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN4812_zpsbcx1enhu.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN4812_zpsbcx1enhu.jpg.html)

RG Coburn
July 10, 2016, 07:55
Gotta hand it to you fellas that can make something out of those castings. Way more than I could do. Definitely,one of those "measure a bazillion times,cut once" things.

gunplumber
July 10, 2016, 08:14
ok, the 2 M14 are spoken for, as is one of the 6 garand. Also have 20+ FAL. I didn't realize there was demand for these, so I guess I'll put an ad in marketplace.

Archilochus
July 10, 2016, 15:06
I'll take 2 of the Garand castings. Maybe one of the 'raw' and one with some work done on it. Let me know about payment info.
Will send e-mail too. Thanks!

Pat C.
July 11, 2016, 18:42
Gunplumber, payment is in the mail and thanks for offering these .

Rotor
July 12, 2016, 15:06
I sent mine to GP today.

raubvogel
July 13, 2016, 09:38
I should have read the thread before sending payment or I would also have added one of the FAL ones. But that is ok.

Mark, could you make my Garand one of the ones with some machining?

falover57, I wish I could get one of those Beretta receivers here.

Pat, I might need to ask you how the heat treating was done and how to verify if it was properly done.

gunplumber
July 13, 2016, 09:50
I should have read the thread before sending payment or I would also have added one of the FAL ones. But that is ok.

send me an e-mail reminder and follow on with $25 for the FAL, and I'll ship together

Archilochus
July 13, 2016, 11:01
Payment on the way for 2 Garand castings (1 'raw', one partially machined). Thanks!


Pat, I might need to ask you how the heat treating was done and how to verify if it was properly done.

http://www.weaponsguild.com/forum/index.php?topic=18494.0

Pat C.
July 13, 2016, 13:06
Yep, That's my thread on the weaponsguild , also have the M14 casting there as well.
Heat treat was done by Carlton Ramm American Metal Treating. High Point NC.

Both were done to USGI specifications and documented.

Pat C.
July 13, 2016, 19:04
This is my M14 ,made from a precision casting that was only about 10%
The mag well was only area done as cast .All other surfaces were machined to USGI blueprint . Many hours went into this as it was all done manually on a Grizzly lathe with a Hardinge Bros bench miller lathe attachment .
Faux connector set up for the USGI look.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN4830_zpsi0mnskx1.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN4830_zpsi0mnskx1.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN4829_zps1wwvpmcw.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN4829_zps1wwvpmcw.jpg.html)
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN4828_zps3ml4oxue.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN4828_zps3ml4oxue.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN4823_zpsuq2olggt.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN4823_zpsuq2olggt.jpg.html)

Archilochus
July 14, 2016, 12:51
Just wondering how many rounds you have on the M14 & Garand, and how they are holding up.

Pat C.
July 14, 2016, 13:14
The M1 I hav'nt built yet , the M14 test functioned perfect but only have few mags through. Not been on serious paper yet.
No problems with investment castings if machining is correct and heat treat.
The heat treat I have no control over ,that's why you make sure the one doing that knows what there doing.
M14 is built on all USGI parts so you know what you have.
The M1 I'm saving for a special project. Hopefully soon

Pat C.
July 15, 2016, 20:07
Here are a few more close ups ,lots of high end parts went into this build .
SAK barrel , TRW op rod , All other parts H&R and many were new .
USGI SA bolt I ended up using instead of the WRA.

Headspace on the rifle is in the sweet spot 7.62 Nato 1.636'' .Lake City XM80 Federal is what I 've been testing with.
Every surface has been machined ,all original USGI details have been duplicated .Only thing I added was little wider op rod rail to help support op rod better. A little thicker bosses on bolt stop area , little thicker on the heel end and top . Every thing else was painstakingly held to USGI print . Continous helical machined locking lugs , proper firing pin retraction cam hard 58 HRC skin and magnafluxed afterward.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5157_zpsptgyzabz.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5157_zpsptgyzabz.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5158_zps1wf1xtik.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5158_zps1wf1xtik.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5159_zpsnxayzcol.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5159_zpsnxayzcol.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5162_zpsidvhmog6.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5162_zpsidvhmog6.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5163_zpssb4a82nk.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5163_zpssb4a82nk.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5164_zpsechmk9fr.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5164_zpsechmk9fr.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5167_zpsu4jl9vdg.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5167_zpsu4jl9vdg.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5169_zpsxrftjlkp.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5169_zpsxrftjlkp.jpg.html)

sharkey
July 15, 2016, 23:58
Pat C - Very nice work.

Pat C.
July 16, 2016, 09:39
Thanks ,

Here is a list of important things that to check when using any of the castings that are found . First thing is to go over the entire casting checking for cracks,voids,imperfections that will hamper dimensional integrity.

Most small voids or damage could be properly welded up while still in casted state . I also check all main dimensions to see if critical areas have enough material to allow 100% clean-up in spec .

1) Receiver ring thickness
2) Receiver ring face to back side of bridge or retraction camm if casted in
3) Locking lug cut outs
4) Width of legs outside
5) Mag well opening
6) Sight platform
7) Rear sight ears

Once I've checked these areas and are satisfied I determine a starting point to see if anything is casted done.This will be used as a starting datum so the finished area will come into spec .
In my case on this M14 casting the only thing that was done was the magazine well ,it was smoothly casted and on size so this became my centerline .

After determining the amount to remove off front Ring face ,I set up in my lathe and machined the ring face and finishe bored the barrel thread minor bore to depth and size . Then one of the most critical areas is the 29 degree acme threads timed off face .

The Timing is 30 degrees +/- 10 degree from the 3:00 Oclock position looking at the face of receiver .
I marked this referance point preceded to index my threading tool with the compound ,with the half nut engaged I rotated receiver until the tool would inter bore at exact timing mark.

Once the timing was established the threading was done ,I used machine power to thread and joged it to final point as the thread stops in the bore at same point .I actually hand turned the chuck last bit so I could retract tool to mimik the thread mill radius of originals .

You have toreally watch when doing this or you will ruin your receiver .Now if you have a CNC mill just thread mill it .I dont so single pointing was my option. Once you start getting close I check often with USGI barrel until fit is good .You dont want it to be tight ,should have a little wiggle as heat treat can shrink bore. Should be smooth to turn just enough clearance to work properly and if you hit the timing mark your barrel will ge tight 7:00/7:30 mark if your viewing back of ring looking at feed ramps .

The locking lugs also I cut on my lathe as they are perpindicular surface helical form with a .200 lead right hand turn . Lathe set to thread 5 TPI will be correct lead to perform this .

I first roughed the lugs in by milling with receiver set to lead angle of each lug 3 degree 8 minutes . But because the surface revolves around a helix this only gets you close .I left both lugs .003'' to tight so they would clean up but not be excessive amount .

I did this turning chuck by hand with a perpindiculer tool set in a small boring bar ,basicly radial shape or broach cutting which is how USGI receivers were done only they cut both lugs simulatanously with a double side cutter . My method cuts the finishes the lugs so they are perpindicular and lye on same .200'' lead and target location is right lug measured on centerline 1.272'' +/- .002'' from receiver face .

Every detail of both casting machining is on the Weapons Guild with pictures and description of each .These two step described here are the most difficult to perform ,if you can do that the rest will not be to bad although there are several other challenging points .

Pat C.
July 20, 2016, 18:29
Received my M14 receiver today and was quite pleased that it is actually one of their Billet receivers in the rough machining stages . IW has anouther project ,thanks Gunplumber for the deal.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5183_zps4tvt2bou.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5183_zps4tvt2bou.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5182_zpsvnvo7aea.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5182_zpsvnvo7aea.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5181_zpsj0o8gp0k.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5181_zpsj0o8gp0k.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5180_zpsilc8hzxc.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5180_zpsilc8hzxc.jpg.html)

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a88/metalsmitty45/DSCN5179_zps06e50bzw.jpg (http://s9.photobucket.com/user/metalsmitty45/media/DSCN5179_zps06e50bzw.jpg.html)

Rotor
July 20, 2016, 21:45
I got my M14 partial today too. Sure seems like billet

It looks like Pat C's but has a few more machining operations done.

OP rod track and dismount notch complete
Mostly finished receiver legs
Rear sight ears closer to profile
Guide rod notch under receiver front is complete
External bolt release area is fully formed and broached
Vert Scope mount notch formed

Everything else looks the same.

Nice piece thanks GP.

JR

gunplumber
July 21, 2016, 07:32
It was in a milk crate full of other castings, so I just assumed they were cast too. Now that you point it out, there are no "as cast" sections on it, so it probably is billet. I have one billet FAL, and a 1911, and maybe 30 castings. Even have some AR-15 forgings that I originally thought were cast, but there is a definite forge line all around it. In the days of cheap 80% AR Uppers and lower, I doubt anyone will want them.

Pat C.
July 21, 2016, 08:43
Originall Enterprise showed the 12 lb billet next to some of the machining stages on their website. As far as I know that's only M14 receiver they made.

Archilochus
July 21, 2016, 14:04
Got the Garand castings yesterday - thanks! Clean castings with no voids or major imperfections. I foresee lots of confusion and head-scratching in my future :rofl: Makes the FAL receiver machining look easy!

Even have some AR-15 forgings that I originally thought were cast, but there is a definite forge line all around it. In the days of cheap 80% AR Uppers and lower, I doubt anyone will want them.

Someone might want the AR forgings for custom builds (different / no magwell).
Always make an interesting paperweight or lamp or something.

Pat C.
September 05, 2017, 19:16
Remember that Entreprise M14 unfinished chunk, thought some might like to see the finished product .

<a href="https://imgur.com/81bGHar"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/81bGHar.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/nfSPMB7"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/nfSPMB7.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/KZhJW5H"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/KZhJW5H.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/QEa9zX8"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/QEa9zX8.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/LyjgRfM"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/LyjgRfM.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

Pat C.
September 05, 2017, 19:23
The rough blank as received.

<a href="https://imgur.com/EBnOMpN"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/EBnOMpN.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/EFmVqca"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/EFmVqca.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

Rotor
September 05, 2017, 21:37
Outstanding. So you did that yourself?

JR

Pat C.
September 06, 2017, 06:27
Yes, this is the third one. One M1 and two M14.Anyone that wants to see it's fully documented every machine stage on M14 Forum.

ArtBanks
September 06, 2017, 10:26
Looks even better over here in one fast read.
Well done.

Semper Fi
Art

Infantry Marine
September 06, 2017, 16:10
That Carroll Tool receiver is absolutely beautiful.

Pat C.
September 06, 2017, 17:57
I appreciate it , lot of time invested in it but its a labor of love.
This entire receiver was machined by me manually using a 12 x 36 Grizzly lathe set up with a 114 year old Hardinge Bros Bench Miller converted to fit on the lathe . Somwhere between 150 - 175 different machining operations .

Every detail of the original blueprint has been met both dimensionally and cosmetically.Its on its way to heat treat as we speak hopefully have it soon.

Pat C.
September 16, 2017, 17:52
Got it back from heat treat earlier this week , D70 (59 HRC equivelent) very minor movement of the legs and magwell about .003'' Just need to parkerize it and it will be ready for a build sometime in the near future.

https://i.imgur.com/OvKISBL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HJm57Uy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/soqJZ1T.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/2LPj7Hc.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KnErpyE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wa8XGs0.jpg

Jaxxas
September 16, 2017, 19:28
Remember that Entreprise M14 unfinished chunk, thought some might like to see the finished product .

<a href="https://imgur.com/81bGHar"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/81bGHar.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/nfSPMB7"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/nfSPMB7.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/KZhJW5H"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/KZhJW5H.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/QEa9zX8"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/QEa9zX8.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>

<a href="https://imgur.com/LyjgRfM"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/LyjgRfM.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>


Holy shite meister, absolutely gorgeous! Outstanding work!:bow:

A1Trigger_Happy
September 16, 2017, 19:33
Pat C. Those receivers look amazing!

Pat C.
September 16, 2017, 20:00
Thanks , I appreciate it.

gunplumber
September 19, 2017, 16:44
Oh wow, PatC, just wow!

I am so impressed, if you want to do a FAL (casting) and a 1911 (billet) and a Garand (casting) I'll send you the blanks. Just send me a USPS Priority mail MFRB label as a PDF. Also have some .22 frame (casting).

All I want in return is to see the pics on completion.

MK ULTRA
September 20, 2017, 05:34
Pat can you post a link to the M14 forum where you document your process.

59 Rc is pretty hard, that's knife hard, is that what you were shooting for?

Great looking work.

Pat C.
September 20, 2017, 08:49
Pat can you post a link to the M14 forum where you document your process.

59 Rc is pretty hard, that's knife hard, is that what you were shooting for?

Great looking work.

Yes, Its carburized The spec is D61 - D71. With case .012 - .018 deep I was shooting for upper hardness specs D69-D71 and upper case depth specs.
Checked three original samples all were at upper case .

The thread is mostly trash as it was mostly Photobucket pictures.As soon as I replace photos I will.

Pat C.
September 20, 2017, 08:51
Oh wow, PatC, just wow!

I am so impressed, if you want to do a FAL (casting) and a 1911 (billet) and a Garand (casting) I'll send you the blanks. Just send me a USPS Priority mail MFRB label as a PDF. Also have some .22 frame (casting).

All I want in return is to see the pics on completion.


Thanks Gunplumber but this will probably be the last,this was third receiver I did .

ArtBanks
September 20, 2017, 13:46
You never fail to amaze.
Keep it up. Loving it.

Semper Fi
Art

Pat C.
September 20, 2017, 14:19
Thanks Art

MK ULTRA
September 21, 2017, 19:42
Yes case hardening. I know whar you mean. I was a manual machinist for 25 years. Your work looks good.

Pat C.
September 21, 2017, 20:26
Thank you ,I appreciate it .

Pat C.
December 17, 2017, 16:40
Finally parkerized the receiver and built the rifle .all USGI parts lot of WRA .Test fired a mag of Federal XM80 today and everthing worked perfectly.Did'nt bother paper as it was raining . Detail inspected everthing after tear down and clean .I'm pretty satisfied.

https://i.imgur.com/Bg4rEg9.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Ti6ZNY3.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bQGHLcA.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NpuyT0R.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/0U6SdBU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eRcbP2W.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/6pDR74h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3bpWrBu.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/93TBk7e.jpg

A1Trigger_Happy
December 17, 2017, 20:09
Looks amazing Pat C! Would like to know how it does on paper when you get the time.

Pat C.
December 17, 2017, 21:04
Will do , here is the original thread on the TFL sight .You will have to install google chrome extension to see photobucket pics

http://m14forum.com/gunsmithing/215858-one-last-entreprise-receivers.html