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nvcdl
May 31, 2016, 20:36
Won this auction Sunday.


http://www.gunbroker.com/item/560601730


I don't think this is refinished - the import marks seem to be Action Arms - believe this was imported as a new pistol back in 92 or so.

Aeroscout
May 31, 2016, 21:02
Won this auction Sunday.


http://www.gunbroker.com/item/560601730


I don't think this is refinished - the import marks seem to be Action Arms - believe this was imported as a new pistol back in 92 or so.

Dude that is so sweet. I sold my Pre B 75 that I bought while stationed in Germany when the wall came down. Bought it from the Rein Meine rod and gun club back before you could really get them in the states. I so kick myself in the ass for ever letting it go.......It looked exactly like that one.

Very nice score!

SPEEDGUNNER
May 31, 2016, 21:19
You did well on that auction. It is hard to tell from the photos, but it may have been refinished. The Pre-B models are usually a very dark black, that looks more like a dark gray and the "Made in Czechoslovakia" is not as sharp as usually seen on an original finish pistol. No matter, great buy on a good looking CZ that should give you years of service.

Peconga
June 01, 2016, 01:03
Great catch! I love my CZ-75s, especially the pre-Bs with the round triggerguard and spur hammer. :bow:

At first glance I was going to say that yours looks refinished, due to the uniform matte appearance and slightly filled-in lettering on the "Czechoslovakia" and the "A.A.L." legend. Most Pre-Bs have a glossy stove enamel finish which chips easily, and is very distinctive. However, I looked through my old photos and found some of a pre-B CZ-85 that I used to own, which has a nearly identical finish to yours on Gunbroker. It was also an Action Arms import, although from 1994 (yours is 1991). For those of you not familiar, the CZ-85 is simply an ambidextrous version of the CZ-75. Also note that the red dot by the safety on both of them is also identical (a detail often overlooked during refinishing). On that basis, I would say that the finish on yours is original, and it looks great!

As for the magazine in yours hanging up (described by the seller) that might be due to using a later "B" magazine in an early pistol. This is a common problem, since factory Pre-B mags are hard to find and are slightly different than later ones; some later mags work in early guns but it often comes down to trial and error. You can also modify the mag well on your pre-B to readily accept later mags, which is what I have done on a couple of mine. There is much written about the early/late mag issue and modifications on the CZ Forums at http://www.czfirearms.us

Here is a close-up of your Pre-B CZ-75 on Gunbroker:
http://www.peconga.com/waffen/reference/cz85_aa/cz75_preB_AAL.jpg

and here is my old Pre-B CZ-85. Notice the similarity in finish.
http://www.peconga.com/waffen/reference/cz85_aa/cz85_preB_AAL.jpg

and compare them to an earlier Pre-B CZ-75 with the enamel finish
http://www.peconga.com/waffen/reference/cz75_classic/image1.jpg

SWOHFAL
June 01, 2016, 02:44
Looks like a transitional model where they changed the finish from the really shitty enamel to the current style coating. The enamel peels off easily and cleaning solvents could get it to bubble, so you might look for a spot to test with a bit on a Q-tip that's not conspicuous with anything you use.

SWOHFAL
June 01, 2016, 02:46
Great catch! I love my CZ-75s, especially the pre-Bs with the round triggerguard and spur hammer. :bow:

At first glance I was going to say that yours looks refinished, due to the uniform matte appearance and slightly filled-in lettering on the "Czechoslovakia" and the "A.A.L." legend. Most Pre-Bs have a glossy stove enamel finish which chips easily, and is very distinctive. However, I looked through my old photos and found some of a pre-B CZ-85 that I used to own, which has a nearly identical finish to yours on Gunbroker. It was also an Action Arms import, although from 1994 (yours is 1991). For those of you not familiar, the CZ-85 is simply an ambidextrous version of the CZ-75. Also note that the red dot by the safety on both of them is also identical (a detail often overlooked during refinishing). On that basis, I would say that the finish on yours is original, and it looks great!

As for the magazine in yours hanging up (described by the seller) that might be due to using a later "B" magazine in an early pistol. This is a common problem, since factory Pre-B mags are hard to find and are slightly different than later ones; some later mags work in early guns but it often comes down to trial and error. You can also modify the mag well on your pre-B to readily accept later mags, which is what I have done on a couple of mine. There is much written about the early/late mag issue and modifications on the CZ Forums at http://www.czfirearms.us

Here is a close-up of your Pre-B CZ-75 on Gunbroker:
http://www.peconga.com/waffen/reference/cz85_aa/cz75_preB_AAL.jpg

and here is my old Pre-B CZ-85. Notice the similarity in finish.
http://www.peconga.com/waffen/reference/cz85_aa/cz85_preB_AAL.jpg

and compare them to an earlier Pre-B CZ-75 with the enamel finish
http://www.peconga.com/waffen/reference/cz75_classic/image1.jpg

Not saying it isn't but that's pretty shiny for enamel - they did make blued finish models too.

nvcdl
June 01, 2016, 08:52
Good info - I figure it is a newer mag and that is why it is hanging up.

There are a lot of beat up ones on market but the nice pre-B's show up occasionally - lost a few auctions for transitional models that looked great. Seems like the early finishes don't hold up well.

FalstenRedux
June 01, 2016, 11:08
Not familiar with the transitional finishes, but I did see a few spots in the auction photos where it had been worn off or where it appeared to be bubbling up (on the backstrap, for example). I have a 87 year pre-B, and it has something like bluing on it. IIRC, it is not anything like a painted finish, but I'd have to pull it out of the safe and look at it again. Not sure where it came from, but it has a lanyard ring

Interesting to see the differences in the slide release and safety between the 75 pictured here and the pic of the 85.

Peconga
June 02, 2016, 18:23
Not saying it isn't but that's pretty shiny for enamel - they did make blued finish models too.


Definitely enamel, and has the chips to prove it.

Seriously though, most Pre-B CZ-75s in the States have enamel finish; very few have factory blue although it is a far more attractive and durable finish IMHO.

nvcdl
June 05, 2016, 11:32
Picked up the pistol yesterday. Finish does show some minor imperfections in a couple spots that appear to be from improper surface prep. Based on the pictures of other action arms imports the marking do look a bit blasted. I'm wondering if CZ or Action Arms refinished the standard enamel finish after the pistols were import marked. Still is in far better conditon then typical pre B CZ-75.

Magazine that came with it doesn't drop free - was experimenting with my spare mags and managed to get a new 16 rd Meg Gar mag very stuck in mag well - had to dissemble things and whack it out with a piece of wood and hammer.

Strangly some other CZ-75 16rd Meg Gar Mags I got in a trade did work - maybe a different production run. I also found some Mec Gar 18rd mags worked great tho not drop free.

Sagerider
June 05, 2016, 15:59
Pre B magazines can be had from CZ-USA. B magazines will not fit into a Pre-B pistol. So how do I know? Well I bought five B magazines and have no pistol they fit. Looks like there will be a B model showing up one day. :)

SWOHFAL
June 05, 2016, 20:14
Anything you can find for the Action Arms Swiss-made CZ clones should work. If anything doesn't work, you can go to the CZ forum and get instructions for relieving the inside of the mag well at a couple points to make any CZ mag fit.

nvcdl
June 06, 2016, 18:53
Suposedly the SP-01 mags work in pre Bs - Seems to be case as the ones I have fit. Found an online source that had the 19rd Mec Gars for just under $27 so placed an order for several as I have another Pre B coming in from gunbroker.

PASHOOTER
June 07, 2016, 13:16
You did very well on your buy. As far as the mags sticking check and see if your gun has a magazine brake. The military CZ75 came with a sheet metal mag brake to keep the magazine from falling out. It can be adjusted by bending it. I had this trouble with mine and a simple bend back solved the problem. I have a military surplus model and a model B compact. both have the brake.

P.I. Staker
June 13, 2016, 00:52
All early pre-Bs have a mag retention flat spring that presses on the flat rear of the magazine. Mags will not drop free. Easy to take out, 1 roll pin.

bfgmovies
June 13, 2016, 21:27
All early pre-Bs have a mag retention flat spring that presses on the flat rear of the magazine. Mags will not drop free. Easy to take out, 1 roll pin.

Well you also need to remove the main spring plug pin, and release the main spring plug slightly to allow you to remove the bottom of the retaining plate out.

toys
June 13, 2016, 23:04
the add says "cerekote" finish.

good luck.