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C2A1
April 24, 2016, 17:05
Got to look at the 805 carbine. Nice rifle. Very smooth action. I think I might chase this one.
Anyone else looking at these?

rbgonoles
April 24, 2016, 17:59
I'd like to SBR the "pistol" version.

ALL FAL
April 24, 2016, 21:13
Thousand dollars is handy when buying ammo or accessories.

Then again if you all wanna spend 1500-2000$$ for a CZ, be my guest.

funtapaz
May 05, 2016, 03:04
Want one pretty badly, but going for a CSA vz58 first.

Combloc
May 09, 2016, 17:17
I just did a post on how well machined these are on another forum called "CZ 805 Nicely Machined!". This seems like a good place to share it:


I don't know how it shoots yet and I won't until the Form 1 gets back but, being a CZ, I'm sure it will shoot just fine. What I'm interested in today and what I'm posting a few pictures of is the excellent machine work on these rifles. The receiver is aluminum and it must take a lot of cuts to get these things done. My understanding is that these were originally designed to be polymer like the Scorpion but the prototypes were milled aluminum in the shape of the polymer receiver. For whatever reason, they never made the molds so they just kept making them out of metal. That explains the intricate contours on these. The work is equal to my Swiss rifles. That is to say unnecessarily well done. Anywho, let's take a look:

Here's a general shot of the rifle:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140298_zpsqswxyatx.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140298_zpsqswxyatx.jpg.html)


Cooling slots:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140278_zpsjqp1otix.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140278_zpsjqp1otix.jpg.html)

The panel bolted on underneath the cooling slots can be replaced with a rail if needed. Those bolts also hold the barrel and trunnion in the receiver shell. The same receiver is used for different variation of the rifle and the needed parts for that particular variant are attached to it. It's a modular system. What's funny is that it's already obsolescent. After several years of combat use under their belt with the 805, CZ has introduced the 806 which is essentially the product improved 805 rifle based on lessons learned in the field. It's lighter, more ergonomic, and easier to produce. Part of the easier to produce part is due to the already mentioned fact that the 805 is an aluminum copy of what was supposed to be a polymer design. To my knowledge, they kept the 806 aluminum but based the design of the receiver on that premise. I think they also simplified the gas system in the 806. Currently, the 806 is serving alongside the 805 but it will eventually replace it. I think all of this is the main reason we're even seeing the 805 for sale in this country. They put a lot of resources into tooling up for this rifle and civilian sales will help recoup that outlay. They sure aren't selling anymore to the Czech army! But I'm WAY off topic. Let's look at more receiver pictures.


Left side. Only the faintest machining marks to be seen upon close inspection. Beautiful engraving (at least I think that's what it is) with regards to the markings too :

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140279_zpsoxnfknej.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140279_zpsoxnfknej.jpg.html)


This is where the rear takedown pin fits. Notice the contours and rounded edges visible in this shot. Schweet!!:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140280_zpsrp5kkjsc.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140280_zpsrp5kkjsc.jpg.html)


A view up from the bottom of the inside rear of the receiver:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140283_zpslr03jpdy.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140283_zpslr03jpdy.jpg.html)


Ejection port, charging handle slot and serial/inspection engravings:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140285_zpsgessvpxl.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140285_zpsgessvpxl.jpg.html)


General view of the right side:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140286_zpstyzbrm1r.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140286_zpstyzbrm1r.jpg.html)

The 2015 models have the same sights as the Scorpion. The 2016 models look to have the standard issue military sights installed.


The rest of the shots will just show some of the steel bits.

Muzzle brake:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140275_zps2tm5oh8c.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140275_zps2tm5oh8c.jpg.html)


Gas block:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140277_zpsir5ocnng.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140277_zpsir5ocnng.jpg.html)


Chromed gas cylinder:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140291_zpsdtmriglb.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140291_zpsdtmriglb.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140292_zpsjxymqell.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140292_zpsjxymqell.jpg.html)


Chromed gas piston:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140294_zpsfkhxg1cr.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140294_zpsfkhxg1cr.jpg.html)


Bolt/carrier side:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140287_zpsrpoxunk2.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140287_zpsrpoxunk2.jpg.html)


Rear showing back of firing pin:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140289_zpscc3obvrs.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140289_zpscc3obvrs.jpg.html)


And front showing bolt head:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140290_zpsvunll3bk.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140290_zpsvunll3bk.jpg.html)


That's it. I just wanted to show you guys just how much detail work CZ puts into these things. They are expensive but, IMO, they are worth it. I can honestly say that my SIG 553 isn't any better made from what I can see. I've always loved CZ made firearms and the 805 lives up to what I have come to expect from the Czechs. I'll end with a bit of advice from one of the coolest guys of the 1980's, Ferris Bueller:

"It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up."

Bubacus
May 09, 2016, 18:47
Thanks for posting these pics. CZ makes great products and yes, I would recommend a CZ58 as well! I just can't wait until they make these in carbine versions. MA has restrictions on pistols forms on these guns.

d762nato
May 10, 2016, 05:04
Great looking weapon Thanks for posting those pics. I've noticed there seems to be a lot of hoopla going on over this one, and like you mentioned CZ makes great firearms.

Wacky D
May 11, 2016, 14:55
I had the opportunity to run a few mags through the FA version of the 16" variant of the gun the other day. Nice gun, seemed well made, would consider buying (the SA variant) if I was in the market for a piston 5.56 gun.

My thoughts after doing so: I gotta say the muzzle brake sure makes it controllable on full auto/burst mode, but you also get the accompanying muzzle blast.Which is the trade off I guess. The ergonomics weren't too bad, the selector switch is in pretty much the same place as the AR and the pistol grip filled the hand nicely. The trigger however wasn't great, and not being able to rack the bolt with the safety on seemed weird to me.

7.5/10 would shoot again

Thorack
May 16, 2016, 17:40
Yeah,

The fact that the bolt being removed is an armorer level repair killed it for me. Apparently for the Czechs as well as they are now fielding the 806 that corrects the bolt issue and several other small issues.

Thorack

Combloc
June 04, 2016, 15:48
Alrighty then. I took the rifle out to the range today.

Rifle (magazine is HK):

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140306_zpslngcsgib.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140306_zpslngcsgib.jpg.html)


A few things first. It came with two black anodized aluminum magazines, both of which were marked on the floor plate D&H Tactical Oconomowoc WI, USA. That got me thinking,what exactly are the US made parts on the rifle? So, I sent an email off to CZ and had an answer exactly 1 hour ad 9 minutes later. That, my friends is Customer service!

My Email to CZ:


Hello. I have two questions I would like to ask. The first is regarding the magazines that are shipping with the BREN 805 rifle. The base plate is marked D&H Tactical. Is the entire magazine US made or is the body Czech made with US internal parts? Second, which parts on the 805 rifle are US made? Thank you for your time.


The reply:

The magazines are entirely made by D&H Tactical, so all of the parts are US made. The US parts in the Bren rifle are the disconnector, piston assembly, and muzzle device.

Thanks,
Dereck

CZ-USA


End of reply. By the way, the parent company of D&H tactical is D&H industries. They seem to be a rather LARGE company. Their website is here:

http://www.dhmetalstamping.com/

The manual included is woefully inadequate. It's roughly 4"x6" with fold outs on both the front and rear covers illustrating operations (such as pulling back on the charging handle and folding the stock) that are obvious without ever looking at an illustration. At first, it seems that it should be packed with information given its thickness (77 pages) but you quickly realize that it's in 5 languages which equates to 15 pages in English. And while it does include a few useful things such as an exploded view of the rifle and sight adjustment, it really should be much more in-depth given the price point of this product. It doesn't even mention the existence of a funky looking multi tool included in the cleaning kit much less how to use it. Maybe I'll just wake up one morning and know.....or not.

The rifle itself is, as illustrated above in the pistol version, SIG (as in Neuhausen ) Quality. The trigger is one of the best out of the box I've experienced and is bested only by my SIG's. The sights are fine for combat, which is what they were designed for after all, but definitely challenging for target shooting. The target I was using is 12.5" wide. At 100 yards, the front sight post extended past the target by about 2" on each side. The rear sight has two apertures, a large and a small. That's a nice touch and allows you you pick whichever is best for ambient lighting conditions and your own personal focal distance. I found that the small aperture worked best for me. There don't seem to be any good closeups of them online so let's take a look.

Here's a front 3/4 view of the front sight:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140309_zpsfxabot6n.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140309_zpsfxabot6n.jpg.html)

It's adjustable for elevation and the included sight tool works just fine. As already stated, the front post is FAT.


Rear 3/4 view showing the push button used to fold the sight down:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140310_zps53fkykoc.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140310_zps53fkykoc.jpg.html)

The entire sight is steel and built like a tank. The button on both the front and rear sight takes quite a bit of force for it to work. Or maybe I'm just a wimp.......probably.


Right side of rear sight showing the small aperture deployed:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140308_zpsy78ijtpf.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140308_zpsy78ijtpf.jpg.html)

You can also see the gear shaped windage adjustment knob. While I guess you could turn it by hand if you pushed on it like a madman, it's supposed to be adjusted using a flat instrument such as the included adjustment tool. You could also use a screwdriver or possibly even a cartridge in a pinch.


Left side showing the push button. The sight folds to the rear:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140312_zpsp1hjzsow.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140312_zpsp1hjzsow.jpg.html)


Here, we are looking at the rear of the rear sight:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140317_zpszv7ogvxr.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140317_zpszv7ogvxr.jpg.html)

I have carefully taken this picture so that the sight's protective ears are lined up with the top rail on the receiver to show just how far the aperture is moved to the left. If you look through the large aperture, you'll see a line cutting through the right side of it. That's the center line of the sight base. As you'll see later, the rifle is still shooting a bit to the right so the aperture still has to be moved further to the left in order to properly zero the rifle. Now, I know these are back up sights and that, once set, you'll never touch the windage again. I also know that there is enough adjustment left to zero the rifle. Still, the perfectionist in me finds this just a bit disappointing. I know that CZ can do better.

Recoil......it's a 5.56, how much is there to begin with? It's more than my Tavor and about the same as my HK93. The amazing thing is that muzzle rise is nil. Almost all movement is directly to the rear. Also, you can feel just how smooth the action is during recoil. There are no weird twanging noises or ratcheting feelings; just smooth gliding. Schweet!!

It's also a clean rifle. Today I shot 100 rounds of Lake City 55 gr. surplus. Let's look at how much carbon that equates to. I'll reuse the pictures previously taken of the pistol version for comparison.

Dirty gas system prior to disassembly. You can see some brownish gas residue:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140307_zpsxzw0rqeo.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140307_zpsxzw0rqeo.jpg.html)

Clean gas block:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140277_zpsir5ocnng.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140277_zpsir5ocnng.jpg.html)

100 rounds:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140334_zps0r4veok4.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140334_zps0r4veok4.jpg.html)


Clean bolt:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140290_zpsvunll3bk.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140290_zpsvunll3bk.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140287_zpsrpoxunk2.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140287_zpsrpoxunk2.jpg.html)


Dirty:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140318_zpsptuv1uzi.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140318_zpsptuv1uzi.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140320_zps19liivyl.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140320_zps19liivyl.jpg.html)


Gas cylinder before:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140291_zpsdtmriglb.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140291_zpsdtmriglb.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140292_zpsjxymqell.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140292_zpsjxymqell.jpg.html)


After 100 rounds:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140325_zpshpc3fvqe.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140325_zpshpc3fvqe.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140324_zps7yf3qsmw.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140324_zps7yf3qsmw.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140323_zpscozp9tpq.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140323_zpscozp9tpq.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140322_zps3lzpjmi6.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140322_zps3lzpjmi6.jpg.html)


Lastly, piston clean and dirty:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140294_zpsfkhxg1cr.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140294_zpsfkhxg1cr.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140328_zps4jlrwuda.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140328_zps4jlrwuda.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140329_zpsb4fwlp2d.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140329_zpsb4fwlp2d.jpg.html)

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140332_zpsfsjedkdl.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140332_zpsfsjedkdl.jpg.html)


The last picture is of the target:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140336_zpskn09twop.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140336_zpskn09twop.jpg.html)


The colored dots are covering 21 rounds fired at 50 yards. Some dots are covering more than 1 hole. As you can see, I had the sights pretty much centered but firing just a bit to the left. Like an idiot, I moved the sight back right some before moving the target to 100 yards and I moved it too much. the remaining 79 shots were taken at 100 yards. All but 1 is on the paper. At first glance, this looks mediocre. BUT, there are a few factors to consider.

1. As I always say without shame, I'm a poor shot and irons get harder and harder as I get older.
2. I was using surplus XM193 ammunition.
3. As stated earlier, the front sight post is so fat that is extends about 2" beyond each side of the 12.5"x18.5" target at 100 yards. At that distance, the 2.25" center circle is little more than a dot to my eyes. So, there is a fair amount of guess work involved as to exactly where I am aiming. Couple that with the fact that I'm an idiot, and you get what you see above.

So, given the above, I think the rifle did quite well. It certainly did well enough for its intended purpose. CZ says that the military version is capable of 4 MOA accuracy. Almost all of my shots fell within a 7x6 rectangle. I think that, with a 4x optic or a red dot, 4 MOA or better is easily attainable, especially with the stellar trigger. Even with just the included back up sights, a different person behind the trigger would probably do much better than I did. Now I need to save up for an ACOG to see if I can improve.....


So, my final thoughts about the rifle so far? It's CZ......I LOVE it!

rbgonoles
June 04, 2016, 16:33
Looks great. The Czechs make excellent firearms.

Combloc
June 20, 2016, 11:16
Alright. This is the last target post I'll do until I get a proper optic for the rifle. It's now zeroed and shooting about as best as I believe you can reasonably expect out of its definitely not designed for target shooting back up sites. 60 rounds at 100 yards using Lake City XM193. 22 of 60 were either in the red or touching it.

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/CZ%20805/P1140343_zpsziphfvqm.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/CZ%20805/P1140343_zpsziphfvqm.jpg.html)