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March 04, 2016, 17:31
I just got a CZ75 Compact, one of the Israeli-contract Massada ones. I took it out to the range, and I'm having problems with it failing to eject. It only had failures using Winchester White Box and Aguila FMJ ammo. Using 115 grain hollowpoints (by Independence Ammo) gave me no problems. I'm not sure what differences in powders are between these.

Are these known to have recoil springs heavy enough not to cycle plinking ammo? I'm trying to decide if I should cut a couple coils off the spring, or if taking off the extractor and cleaning underneath/behind it would be the best 1st step. It doesn't appear chipped or worn.

Any thoughts?

March 04, 2016, 19:09
Yes, pistols for most countries where police and military are interrelated, like Israel, have heavy duty springs to use heavy max loaded 9mm rifle/sub machine gun rounds.
New commercial spring and you should be fine.
I picked up a pair of Israeli HP's and had same issue, spring changes, or hand loading to max and issue solved.

March 04, 2016, 22:21
just some food for thought.

do no harm first.

Your small ammo test just told you something - Its working. Don't mess with it.

however, if you choose to shoot plinking ammo, then i would get a lighter spring. How light? dont know. Get a spring pack with the various strengths and start with the lowest and work your way up to where it doesnt function reliability.

you can clip off coils, but why when you can buy new springs of various factors?

March 04, 2016, 22:25
Yeah, I'm going to avoid clipping coils since I know this one works with my JHPs. I'm ordering a factory-weight one from Midway, I'll follow up here if it helps.

March 06, 2016, 04:23
Wolff Springs is a great source for replacement springs. You can order a set of recoil springs that should take care of any issues you may have. Be sure to mark them like with paint to indicate light, medium and heavy so six months later you forgot which is which you have the color to tell you.
Blue is light
Yellow is medium
Red is heavy
Something along those lines.

March 14, 2016, 00:03
I put in the stock recoil spring. To my hands it doesn't feel much lighter than the one the gun came with, but it's made completely different. I should be able to try it out one morning this week.

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March 15, 2016, 09:24
CZ-75s seem to prefer heavier bullets and hotter loads.

Scott V2
March 15, 2016, 17:46
Where did you find a Massada? I never was aware of this variant:bow:

March 15, 2016, 17:54
J&G Sales had them. I got super lucky, they only had a few and sold out in less than a day! I've been looking for a deal on a surplus CZ for a long while.

April 03, 2016, 19:01
I shot it some more this weekend. The recoil spring seems to have helped a little, but it's still failing to eject about once per magazine. Do you think a new extractor spring and/or a new extractor is the next best step?

April 03, 2016, 21:42
I shot it some more this weekend. The recoil spring seems to have helped a little, but it's still failing to eject about once per magazine. Do you think a new extractor spring and/or a new extractor is the next best step?,

I do and would, you have cleaned the pistol very thorough right? Is the extractor worn much to where you could sharpen up the extractor surfaces? Look at a newer one and see, then adjust accordingly or put in a new unit if worn past a re-contour.

April 09, 2016, 06:26
I would try a new extractor spring first.

Just a thought, the CZ-75 extractor is a unique design and does not work well with some types of case rims.

My own pre B CZ-75 works well with most types of ammo, but there are a couple of brands that give problems, the cartridge rims seem to be a bit smaller or beveled differently and will slip off the extractor sometimes.

I have had great results with S&B 9mm in my pistol (Czech ammo, go figure), maybe try a box in yours and see how it functions.

April 23, 2016, 15:54
I replaced the extractor spring, it may have helped a little bit...but there's still an issue here. I guess it's time for a new extractor.

Also, when it does the FTE...I notice a bit of a catch when pulling the slide back, maybe in the first half inch of manually pulling the slide. Could this be indicative of a slide stop problem? I can imagine how a slight hangup could cause timing issues.