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wheelgunner505
February 28, 2016, 19:21
I kind of ripped off VALMET'S thread(sorry VALMET), but it looked like it got good responses and information from knowlegable people from around the world.

I am a new collector of preban rifles and I am trying to learn as much as I can from anyone I can.

My dad had an FFL in the 80's and he thought I was crazy when I told him I recently purchased a Norinco 56S-1 for $1200. His response was "Why the hell would you spend that kind of money on a P.O.S.? I remember when those things were $400".

Even among "gun guys", I've found people generally associate "Made in China" with cheap garbage, until they handle a Chinese AK.......

Any one else with similar experiences? Please share information and photos of your Chinese AK variants.:bow:

rbgonoles
February 28, 2016, 19:33
My Norinco Mak90 that I converted to a Type 56 with spike bayo. I have a SAIGA, a couple Arsenals and Zastavas and put the quality of this norinco at or slightly above.

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag403/burker2525/DSC_0528_zps17cbb3bd.jpg (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/burker2525/media/DSC_0528_zps17cbb3bd.jpg.html)
http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag403/burker2525/DSC_0561_zpsc06c54a5.jpg (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/burker2525/media/DSC_0561_zpsc06c54a5.jpg.html)

wheelgunner505
February 28, 2016, 19:39
Pretty rifle. What is the finish on it? Looks epoxy based.

rbgonoles
February 28, 2016, 19:40
Original finish, blued steel

K. Funk
February 28, 2016, 20:00
I have a Norinco without the bayonet that I bought new in 1986 for $495. I have not fired it much at all. It looks very much like the one in your photo except mine has the slant brake and as mentioned, no folding bayo. The Norinco pre-bans have appreciated in price but still play a distant second fiddle against the Polytechs.

krf

Charles_The_Hammer
February 28, 2016, 20:04
My Norinco Mak90 that I converted to a Type 56 with spike bayo. I have a SAIGA, a couple Arsenals and Zastavas and put the quality of this norinco at or slightly above.

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag403/burker2525/DSC_0528_zps17cbb3bd.jpg (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/burker2525/media/DSC_0528_zps17cbb3bd.jpg.html)
http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag403/burker2525/DSC_0561_zpsc06c54a5.jpg (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/burker2525/media/DSC_0561_zpsc06c54a5.jpg.html)

LOL! I know you from the AK Files. You are the one that gave me advice about my upcoming MAK-90 conversion. Thanks again for your help.

I have gathered all the parts for my MAK-90 conversion - just have to get the AK out of layaway now. I decided against the Spiker FSB even though I was able to locate both the Bayonet/FSB and the groove-cut HG. Just too much dough for a bayonet for me. Looks like this will be the setup I am going for:

http://www.chicom47.com/Pics/nor1rt.jpg
http://www.chicom47.com/Pics/nor1lt.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Type_56_rifle.jpg

To the OP - as far as I can gather, Norinco's and Polytechs are among the finest commercial AK's ever imported to the US. The stamped ones use a 1.5mm thick receiver as opposed to the standard 1mm AKM, and the barrel is thicker (like the original AK-47).

The lame-o MAK-90's with no bayonet lug, cleaning rod, and ugly thumb hole stocks were imported from 1990-1994 and they still have the same receiver and barrel as the pre-ban variety. These rifles were basically semi-auto versions of the Chinese Type 56 the PLA used/uses. Very good reputation.

The one in particular I will be restoring was imported the last year before the AWB in 1994. I am "de-banning" it back to pre-ban form with a milled Bulgarian gas block and front sight base, as well as new furniture with the correct stock angle and pistol grip. I like to tinker on stuff, and by doing this I should be able to get a pre-ban performing rifle and save a few bucks.

Apparently Jim Fuller at Rifle Dynamics thinks the MAK-90/Type 56S from Norinco is one of the best ever. He speaks very highly of them.

I will post some pics in a week or two LOL...... I have several projects in the works currently.

G3isMe
February 28, 2016, 20:06
Chinese AKs are not the same as Chinese socket sets. The Chinese AKs are held in pretty high regard in the AK world. There is no comparison between a WASR and a PolyTech. I have Norinco and PolyTech Aks and they both have very nice finish and run flawlessly. $1200 is the going rate for a pre-ban Chinese Ak. Yeah they used to be $400, but a can of Coke was a quarter too... :wink:

G3isMe
February 28, 2016, 20:12
My Norinco Mak90 that I converted to a Type 56 with spike bayo.....

Very nice looking rifle. I have a PolyTech Mak and a Maadi (the good one...:biggrin:..) that I want to convert out of their Mak form.

wheelgunner505
February 28, 2016, 20:34
Original finish, blued steel

Wow.....the finish looks perfect.

rbgonoles
February 28, 2016, 20:43
Looking forward to some pics Charles. I Bought it unfired new in box only 2 years ago.

wheelgunner505
February 28, 2016, 20:48
Here are some photos of my Polytech National Match. I love this rifle, but it can be a little difficult to look at for a purist. I even have the original "early" brown box.

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%208_zpsl1diavg9.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%208_zpsl1diavg9.jpg.html)
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%205_zpsvzfwlxpq.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%205_zpsvzfwlxpq.jpg.html)
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%207_zpszn9jjlui.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%207_zpszn9jjlui.jpg.html)
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%206_zpsvufzk1l6.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%206_zpsvufzk1l6.jpg.html)

pre1989
February 29, 2016, 03:24
eh a pre ban nut well you can count me in that range ..http://i1353.photobucket.com/albums/q665/JohnConrad5/C26F2137-7BCC-44C9-BB69-F094B1B90FBC_zpst1mqzztj.jpg (http://s1353.photobucket.com/user/JohnConrad5/media/C26F2137-7BCC-44C9-BB69-F094B1B90FBC_zpst1mqzztj.jpg.html)


I did replace the AK with a rarer earlier first of the imports one though



added a lot since then ... It does drive me crazy the price on them even post 1989 ban AK are going for a lot the MAK and such though oddly the NHM etc dont get much

in case any one asked
Polytech spiker ( have swaped that out to a near mint GSA first model ) SKS D ,FN-FNC , AR180 English, HK91, fal pre ban arggie para pn and a black "police " model AUG and a Woo


And that is just stuff I am willing to post ..I also collect pre ban pistols and open bolt guns and other things I wont post ...Black evil things ...

pre1989
February 29, 2016, 03:31
If you want the rare ones I would get a fist model Clayco ( the very first ones ) only had GSA and a serial number on them ..Very nice guns and the Polytech legands are amazing ...


Oh and PS if you dont know the history of Golden state look them up ..Cool stuff importing Sercet police made AK and also maybe armed the Bay of pigs job or so the story goes...:cool:

oh and I like this link http://chicom47.com/Pics/PolyTech/PolyTech.htm

cover a lot

wheelgunner505
February 29, 2016, 06:36
Nice collection there, you have some stuff that I would not mind having at all. From what you mentioned about GSA, I find that interesting. I plan on doing a little research on that. Thanks for sharing.

I love this stuff, didn't KFS or Clayco get into some hot water in the late 80's for illegally selling machine guns to gangs?

Here's some photos of my Legend DF (Down Folder):

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%2013_zpsdomln1my.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%2013_zpsdomln1my.jpg.html)

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%2014_zpsrqh74upq.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%2014_zpsrqh74upq.jpg.html)

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%2015_zpswq220c9e.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%2015_zpswq220c9e.jpg.html)

http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%2016_zpstm93gsb8.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%2016_zpstm93gsb8.jpg.html)

WILD HOND
February 29, 2016, 07:50
The Chinese type 56 is very popular among sport shootere here in South Africa. Dealers had a special in them for about $350 brand new in a box with a bayonet the spike one.

Ive shot with one and really impressed.

gunplumber
February 29, 2016, 07:52
Chinese guns are interesting for collectors.

But for a fighting AK, it's not a particularly good choice. Compatability with accessories is poor. And there is enough collector influence to make other equivalent guns more economical. So really, other than hanging them on your wall, I see no point in them.

For that reason, I dumped my 56S-2 for a 107F. And I dumped my collection of Stembridge 56Ss. Back then, I was selling them for around $800.

Now I "collect" (hoard?) fighting rifles. SLR 104s.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/smith/ak/gallery-ak-china-02.jpg

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/smith/ak/gallery-ak-china-01.jpg

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/smith/ak/gallery-ak-china-05.jpg

idsubgun
February 29, 2016, 10:17
But for a fighting AK, it's not a particularly good choice. Compatability with accessories is poor. And there is enough collector influence to make other equivalent guns more economical. So really, other than hanging them on your wall, I see no point in them.



I don't agree.....

Love my Norinco. Shoots nice, very accurate and the finest trigger I've ever felt on ANY AK I've shot, and I've shot dozens and dozens, full and semi.
FYI, Mark, I have $0 in this rifle. Belonged to deceased family and I ended up with it. And I don't believe in collecting as much as using. Plus, it has all the accessories I'll ever need! I don't plan on doing any bayonet charges anytime soon, and I don't like optics on AK's as they are a close up fighting rifle, IMO.

And not sure why you say they are incompatible with accessories. I've had many different furniture sets (including folders), and HG's with rails, etc., on this rifle and everything fit like a glove. But as I said, I don't care for all the crap hanging on my AK's so it finally ended up with K-VAR NATO length furniture (Magpul grip), and that's where it'll stay.

I've personally owned a dozen or so AK47's and probably as many SKS's, and decided that I prefered AK74's (5.45x39) more then firearms that use 7.62x39, and sold them all except this rifle because it's the smoothest shooting AK I've ever shot. Plus I like having at least one firearm that shoots the major military cartridges from around the world.

I wouldn't give this Chinese AK up for anything. Smooth as butter!

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp40/bjplowman/AK%20Stuff/01_zpsgzvcqzpv.jpg (http://s395.photobucket.com/user/bjplowman/media/AK%20Stuff/01_zpsgzvcqzpv.jpg.html)

gunplumber
February 29, 2016, 10:26
And not sure why you say they are incompatible with accessories. I've had many different furniture sets (including folders), and HG's with rails, etc., on this rifle and everything fit like a glove. But as I said, I don't care for all the crap hanging on my AK's so it finally ended up with K-VAR NATO length furniture (Magpul grip), and that's where it'll stay.

And your Euro furniture had to be modified to fit. Which is fine - it won't fit anything other than a Chinese now. Of course, that raises the question - if you have the skill to modify Euro furniture and machine the tang recess to fit, why can't you adjust the trigger on anything else to make it equally "smooth"?

So if you want a neutered, non-922 compliant, converted thumbhole AK like your MAK 90, I have no qualms with it. I understand you don't care about the neutered bayonet lug, but I consider the cleaning rod (for it's ability to punch out a stuck case) to be more than a cosmetic feature. And you can't have that without replacing your barrel components.

If you want to restore it to original configuration, you're in it cost wise the same or more as just buying a $1000 107FR. Which comes with a standardized folding stock and takes all common furniture options and far more common spare parts.

Which is why I say, pre-ban Chinese guns (which is what we're talking about, and which yours is not), are best relegated to collectors. By the time you make it into what it is not, you could have just bought what you're trying to make it into.

Here's a NHM-91 I had no use for, so converted it into a wannabe Tabuk.

https://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/smith/smith-ak/smith-ak-gallery-china-06.jpg

idsubgun
February 29, 2016, 10:42
No modifications were done to the furniture, that wasn't done to several other AK's with this furniture. I had to "fit" the stock but that was simply filing down the sides to fit into the receiver. I'd rather have this "custom" fit then something that slides in and possibly sloppy.
There hasn't been any machining on the tang, or anything for that matter.

I do agree about the cleaning rod.

gunplumber
February 29, 2016, 10:48
No modifications were done to the furniture, that wasn't done to several other AK's with this furniture. I had to "fit" the stock but that was simply filing down the sides to fit into the receiver. I'd rather have this "custom" fit then something that slides in and possibly sloppy.
There hasn't been any machining on the tang, or anything for that matter.

I do agree about the cleaning rod.

You must not remember.

Sides have to be reduced .5mm each side. Tang slot has to be lengthened and the screw hole repositioned. This is not an optional step. The Chinese tang is longer than a Euro. And the hole is located differently. Generally, the recoil portion of the stock also has to be set back to remove the gap. Or did you cut the tang off to fit one your folders?

Lower handquard tenon has to be narrowed.

All these mods will make it no longer fit any Euro pattern gun.

idsubgun
February 29, 2016, 11:06
You must not remember.

Sides have to be reduced .5mm each side. Tang slot has to be lengthened and the screw hole repositioned. This is not an optional step. The Chinese tang is longer than a Euro. And the hole is located differently. Generally, the recoil portion of the stock also has to be set back to remove the gap. Or did you cut the tang off to fit one your folders?

Lower handquard tenon has to be narrowed.

All these mods will make it no longer fit any Euro pattern gun.

No, not on this one. When I received it, it still had the factory thumbhole stock. I haven't cut anything off the tang and the slots in the K-VAR stocks are plenty long.
Also, a new K-VAR stock is not drilled so no hole relocation was necessary.
As for the folder, I used an early ACE folder on it and it fit perfectly.I just didn't care for their early hinge block. Too bulky.
The only mod on the HG was some of the same minor filing to slip lower HG into the receiver. Made for a nice tight fit.
I recently had this universal Midwest Industries HG on it, using an East German Gas tube. Went on fine with no mods, and fit tightly. Just didn't care for the sharp edges on the rail so off it came and the K-VAR HG went back on.

http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp40/bjplowman/Items%20For%20Sale/November%202015/HPIM1628_zpsvowxtssh.jpg (http://s395.photobucket.com/user/bjplowman/media/Items%20For%20Sale/November%202015/HPIM1628_zpsvowxtssh.jpg.html)

wheelgunner505
February 29, 2016, 18:53
Chinese guns are interesting for collectors.

But for a fighting AK, it's not a particularly good choice. Compatability with accessories is poor. And there is enough collector influence to make other equivalent guns more economical. So really, other than hanging them on your wall, I see no point in them.

As far as Chinese rifles being collector rifles and not fighting rifles, if it ever gets to that point...... the collectability aspect of a Chinese rifle would go straight out the window and fighting would be my primary concern. I think with the quality and workmanship that the Chinese rifles possess, they would make fine candidates for fighting rifles.

Aren't they made in a military arsenal anyway?

gunplumber
February 29, 2016, 18:59
I don't think you're understanding. I'm not discrediting Chinese AKs per se. Heck, I've owned a hundred of them over the years (really, that's not hyperbole). I'd have no problem issuing my war-lord army with Chinese AKs, especially if they were still $199. But they aren't..

They are no longer importable, even neutered. Thanks first to Bush Sr. (Import ban), and then to Clinton (MFNS).

So there is collector value over their functional value.

I am a new collector of preban rifles

Chinese AKs are great for this. Collecting. There are enough variants, and enough different importers, and the prices aren't ridiculously high. In fact, to some extent, the wide variety of new manufacture Eur AKs has brought the price of pre-bans down a bit. Since the guy who had one realizes he can sell it and buy two more-functional rifles and a bunch of mags and ammo, for the same money.

But for equipping one's tribe with fighting rifles, one can get more for less with Euro pattern. That's what I mean by a "fighting AK"- one that you're going to roll in the dirt with.

The Chinese Type 56 is AK pattern. Everyone else in the world (except for Yugoslavia, but those are even less standardized) switched to the AKM pattern in the 50s.

Chinese parts have skyrocketed in price. No more buying a complete barrel assembly for $200 from Kengs (now Polytech Parts). So retrofitting the 89-94 thumbholes ends up costing as much as, or more than, buying a new production AKM pattern gun. And it is typically worth less on the resale market than one has in it.

That's why I think Chinese guns are perfect for one looking to COLLECT a particular type of rifle. But not a particularly wise allotment of resources for fighting rifles. It's not that they can't be so employed. A Rogak or Browning Type II, or Poyer, or G series can be as well. But you can buy a lot of SAR-48s for the same money (although those are creeping up), and a lot of IMBEL on IMBEL kit guns for the same money.

AZ Dave
February 29, 2016, 21:04
I remember the $179 thumb hole mak-90's at J and G in prescott AZ. Drums were $19.95 and ammo was dirt cheap as well. I had several and shot the piss out of them .Then I found FAL's and never looked back. The first FAL I handled was on Gunplumbers table at a show in Phx. Within a month I had one and still have it. Imbel receivers were $120 and STG kits were $149 if I remember right....OOPS this is a Chi-Com AK thread...sorry!

ftierson
February 29, 2016, 21:39
I have a Chinese milled MAK90 that I 'rebuilt' with Bulgarian walnut buttstock and handguards and a standard pistol grip (leaving the muzzle plain (although there's enough metal to thread it, I haven't worked up the energy to drill the FSB for the muzzle nut spring and detent)). The standard European AK buttstock took some work...

I have two stamped MAK90s. One (slant receiver) now has an Ironwood laminated buttstock and forend. It took a fair amount of work to get it all to fit well. The other (square receiver) has an ACE 'remove the tang' folding stock. While I like the FAL type tubular folding ACE stock on some things, I not as happy with it on the AK (although it works quite well). If I had to do it over again, I would never have cut the tang off the MAK90. But, then again, what was available for the MAK90 way back then was somewhat limited compared to more recent times.

I also bought one of the B-WEST receivered Type 56 rifles (with the folding bayonet FSB) back when they were $149.99. The receiver was such a piece of crap that I sent the rifle back to the distributor for a refund. I also regret that decision, since I could have eventually cut the receiver up and rebuilt the Type 56 on a US receiver and would have ended up with a very nice rifle. Then again, you know what they say about hindsight...

Forrest

AZ Dave
February 29, 2016, 21:57
Ftierson, You can have the rear trunion replaced easy enough.

wheelgunner505
February 29, 2016, 23:35
Ha!I wish I was old enough to buy 56S's when they were $150.00. Here's some photographs of the 56S-1 I spent $1200.00 a few months ago.
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%2017_zpswcmdvj4h.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%2017_zpswcmdvj4h.jpg.html)
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%2018_zpsdcuvlbuy.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%2018_zpsdcuvlbuy.jpg.html)
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%2020_zpskxrmkr1w.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%2020_zpskxrmkr1w.jpg.html)
http://i725.photobucket.com/albums/ww257/quaid_douglas/FullSizeRender%2019_zpslxyxgjfr.jpg (http://s725.photobucket.com/user/quaid_douglas/media/FullSizeRender%2019_zpslxyxgjfr.jpg.html)

ftierson
February 29, 2016, 23:43
Ftierson, You can have the rear trunion replaced easy enough.

If I had a Chinese rear trunion, I could do it very easily myself... :)

But I don't have one and haven't looked for one for a long time...

Maybe some day...

Maybe not... :)

Forrest

gunplumber
March 01, 2016, 07:29
I remember the $179 thumb hole mak-90's at J and G in prescott AZ. Drums were $19.95 and ammo was dirt cheap as well. I had several and shot the piss out of them .Then I found FAL's and never looked back. The first FAL I handled was on Gunplumbers table at a show in Phx. Within a month I had one and still have it. Imbel receivers were $120 and STG kits were $149 if I remember right....OOPS this is a Chi-Com AK thread...sorry!

Yeah - I used to buy those drums for $15 and sell for $20 (or maybe it was buy at $20 and sell at $25). Sealed packs full of oil. But I think those were romy drums, not the Chinese. I was selling 4 packs of Romy Bakelites, NIW for $25.

I bought a Maadi from AZ Firearms and Collectibles in Tempe - George Stahl. It was $200 with tax. Couldn't chamber a round. Brought it back and had to pay $12 more to exchange for the Chinese one.

idsubgun
March 01, 2016, 09:14
An item I wished that I had bought more of were the NOS E. German 5.45x39 bakelite mags. The deal was 4 new mags, in a "rain pattern" mag pouch, with stripper clips and guide, plus a cleaning kit. Price was $16.
I bought 8 and gave one to dad but I wish I would have bought 100!

TnHawk-45
March 01, 2016, 16:23
Like the original poster's Dad, I was also a FFL in the 70's thru early Obamanation.

I was working the BIG Tulsa show and bought three cases of 12 rifles each of the PolyTechs. Paid a total of $70 for each rifle. Two of the cases were double underfolders. Brought them back to Tenn and sold all three un opened for $150 each to three dealer buddies of mine. The dealer I bought them from threw in an extra 300 mags also even though the guns came with 3 each. These I sold for $1 each in one lot to the first dealer I sold a case of guns to.

At the time you could not give me one of the dammed things after being shot by them........TWICE!

Do I regret it? Nope because I doubled my money without the hassles with forms and background checks. Straight book to book transfer.

Do I wish I would have held on to a couple........nope because they have gotten STUPID priced now only because no more can come in legally.

Another problem with the Chinese guns is their two AK's in 5.56 do NOT even take the same mags.

Do I have any Chinese AK's.............well you might find a couple around the house if you look hard. I like Gunplumber prefer my 5.56 Bulgarian!

To be brutally honest, ALL AK's are overpriced for what they are now.

oakhandledsks
March 01, 2016, 17:48
The most I have ever paid for an AK47 is $600 that is tops, most were much less. I don't intend on ever paying more than that either. I love my Chicoms. Nork Nork, Yep everything below is Chinese including the 1911:

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx17/okespe04/untitled_05655.jpg (http://s737.photobucket.com/user/okespe04/media/untitled_05655.jpg.html)

http://i737.photobucket.com/albums/xx17/okespe04/DSC08330.jpg (http://s737.photobucket.com/user/okespe04/media/DSC08330.jpg.html)

Fiorina
March 01, 2016, 21:34
My Norinco Mak90 that I converted to a Type 56 with spike bayo. I have a SAIGA, a couple Arsenals and Zastavas and put the quality of this norinco at or slightly above.

http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag403/burker2525/DSC_0528_zps17cbb3bd.jpg (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/burker2525/media/DSC_0528_zps17cbb3bd.jpg.html)
http://i1374.photobucket.com/albums/ag403/burker2525/DSC_0561_zpsc06c54a5.jpg (http://s1374.photobucket.com/user/burker2525/media/DSC_0561_zpsc06c54a5.jpg.html)

I have a MAK 90 uf I want to give this treatment to. That's my next project I think. Been wanting to make a double folder out of it for awhile.

oakhandledsks
March 01, 2016, 21:57
^ probably going to make a spiker out of the nhm90 in my top photo above. I tacticooled it just to make it functional for the time being.

Charles_The_Hammer
March 02, 2016, 19:42
These guys didn't have any trouble accessorizing their Chinese guns. This one has a Romanian side folding stock a "Reverse Donkey Dong" hand guard:

http://www.northhollywoodshootout.com/uploads/3/0/1/0/3010539/1837467.jpg?725

http://www.northhollywoodshootout.com/rifle-1.html

wheelgunner505
March 03, 2016, 10:00
Another problem with the Chinese guns is their two AK's in 5.56 do NOT even take the same mags.



Thanks for bringing this up TnHawk, this does frustrate me. Why couldn't they make the darn things take the same .223 magazines? The Norinco .223 30 rounders are normally around $100 each in this part of the country (if you can find them).

I don't know if the Polyptych .223 magazines are in the same price range or have the same availability.....

For turds and giggles, here are some photos of my Norinco 84S-1 and a super-rare 84S-5A (the one with black furniture).

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gunplumber
March 03, 2016, 10:08
wow - I don't think I've ever seen that one before - in either black or red.

Here's one with green furniture - I've only had one of those come through in the last 25 years . . .. buddy picked it up NIB and let me take some photos.

Yeah - Chinese guns give the collector all kinds of options. Unfortunately, my "collection" is photos of guns I can't afford to own.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/wp/ak/ak-china-type56s-green-03.jpg

mingthemerciles
March 03, 2016, 16:08
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I have to agree with plumber.. I have 3 Chinese AK's and 2 Valmets..
All are very pretty to look at, but I cringe every time I fire one or risk making a mark on the finish. I may be weird but I look at them as the Picasso or Da Vinci of the working man
I have Saigas and Rommy MK1 & 2's for smacking around and abusing.

TnHawk-45
March 05, 2016, 12:18
wheelgunner, the Polytech mags are even HIGHER. Thing is they are the only ones they made a drum for. The drums are bringing $400+!

There is a man selling some 30 round Norinco on ar-15.com right now for $75 each.

Also the Norinco's are the only ones you can get the 40 round mags for.

Can you tell I have had a couple of the frustrating sob's? LOL

paul fowler
March 05, 2016, 17:28
I have a preban Prochine Corp. AK. Very nice as far as AKs go.

Gunslinger_Rex
March 13, 2016, 18:31
I absolutely love Chinese stamped AKs. When I ran a gunshop down in FL last year, a fudd came in with a "shitty Chinese gun" to sell. It was a straight cut, stamped Norinco MAK90 in like new condition. He wanted $200. I felt so guilty taking advantage of this guy that I gave him $250, and he left on cloud nine. It did have a crappy ATI stock and pistol grip, though, so I sold it for $900.

A couple of pics:

http://i.imgur.com/gGGkPBS.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/QTkP6TR.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/KgBra9J.jpg

wheelgunner505
March 13, 2016, 23:00
Gunslinger Rex, That was one hell of a deal you made there. In my part of the country a person is hard pressed to get $1K out of a Chinese preban. There are no restrictions on semi auto rifles here, and people around here won't pay the premium for the "real deal". :facepalm:

Francesux
April 11, 2016, 03:58
My Norinco Mak90 that I converted to a Type 56 with spike bayo. I have a SAIGA, a couple Arsenals and Zastavas and put the quality of this norinco at or slightly above.

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I have a MAK-90 with a slant cut rear I picked up for cheap from the Puerto Rico State Police. I'll eventually get an IWD furniture set for it.

That said, what course did you take to get the folding spiker? I have a spike, but not the folding mechanism. I have heard of Tor-Tort, but they always show out of stock. I dont care enough about this MAK to spend $400 for a real deal.

TnHawk-45
April 11, 2016, 14:09
I have a MAK-90 with a slant cut rear I picked up for cheap from the Puerto Rico State Police. I'll eventually get an IWD furniture set for it.

That said, what course did you take to get the folding spiker? I have a spike, but not the folding mechanism. I have heard of Tor-Tort, but they always show out of stock. I dont care enough about this MAK to spend $400 for a real deal.

There is a couple of places now that have full repo spiker sets in Polytech packaging. They are going for $250-300 each for the front sight assembly, bayonet and pins to put it on with.

As I do not plan any drive by bayonettings, I figure my MAK's will remain with a flash hider instead.

Plumber 308
October 15, 2016, 21:21
I picked up a box of parts this year for $50. It is a un-fired Mak 90 minus receiver and trigger pins, rear trunnion. Any one know a source for a Type 56 stamped receiver?