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Incognito
February 13, 2016, 10:43
I have owned several over the years and I currently find myself without one. I owned an underfolder years ago and that is what I want. Specifically I think I want a Polish underfolder. And I absolutely want to keep with 7.62x39. I looked into building my own, but the cost of the necessary tools makes that impractical. I looked into having one built, but for the same price, it looks like I could get a really nice one already built. This is the one I am currently looking at: http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/ak47-polish-folder-vaf-47-detail.html?Itemid=0

I have read some good reviews about these. Any thoughts or suggestions?

Tuhlmann
February 13, 2016, 12:12
I don't get the draw to an underfolder at all, especially with so many other folding stock options available that accomplish the same objectives with much more face-friendly (read accuracy) ergos. My vote goes to something like this:

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/arsenal-slr107fr-31-762x39-side-folding-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

Or for a few bills more go for the milled version. I have one, and they are top shelp all the way. Stock locks up as tight as my fixed Ishy. It's a pleasure to shoot.

Incognito
February 13, 2016, 14:11
Yes, yes, I know. But if I was looking for something more ergonomic or accurate I would simply buy something other than an AK. I already have an IMI Galil and a Sig 556. I'm buying an AK because of the history and specifically I want the underfolder that was used back in the day. Its not about practical, its about the history.

yellowhand
February 13, 2016, 14:25
I've got a couple of side folders and one under folder, the under folder stays in the back of the safe most days.
Not a great design at all.
The side folders lock up tight.

Tuhlmann
February 13, 2016, 15:16
Yes, yes, I know. But if I was looking for something more ergonomic or accurate I would simply buy something other than an AK. I already have an IMI Galil and a Sig 556. I'm buying an AK because of the history and specifically I want the underfolder that was used back in the day. Its not about practical, its about the history.

Well then it sounds like you've already made your decision then. Stop pussyfooting around on here and order up your underfolder already!

(And make sure to post pics of that Polish straight razor when you get it)

Timber Wolf
February 13, 2016, 16:57
I don't know anything about the Polish UF AKs but I like my Yugo. I don't understand all the hate of the UF stock. I don't find it all that bad to shoot, an AK just does not kick that much.

Jon Frum
February 13, 2016, 18:13
I have built many 47s and 74s. I would probably buy one of the new all USA made models. Cats ass http://www.kalashnikov-usa.com/firearms/wood-rifle-us132w

Brian in MN
February 13, 2016, 18:55
I wouldn't. You don't get a cleaning rod or a bayo lug.


Don't know anything about the quality on the Polish at Atlantic, Incognito. Do a search over at the AK files and you will prly find several people who have experience with them. My guess is that they are nice.

Incognito
February 13, 2016, 20:51
I don't know anything about the Polish UF AKs but I like my Yugo. I don't understand all the hate of the UF stock. I don't find it all that bad to shoot, an AK just does not kick that much.

Agreed, I had a Chinese underfolder years ago and used it a lot with no issues.

Jon Frum
February 13, 2016, 22:05
What goober puts a bayonet on a AK? Not me. I never use the attached cleaning rod even if it gets cleaned {non corrosive ammo}


I wouldn't. You don't get a cleaning rod or a bayo lug.


Don't know anything about the quality on the Polish at Atlantic, Incognito. Do a search over at the AK files and you will prly find several people who have experience with them. My guess is that they are nice.

mullicrk
February 13, 2016, 22:32
What goober puts a bayonet on a AK? Not me. I never use the attached cleaning rod even if it gets cleaned {non corrosive ammo}

I suppose Im a goober...I like the Bayonets, I like the folders too....Ive had the Polish for a few years and its reliable, locks up crisp and feels absolutely great! Was built off a kit and the barrel is original. All numbers match.

[=http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/mullicrk12/media/Range%20videos%20n%20shizzel/20150825_125100_zpsgziyf1vq.jpg.html]http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah244/mullicrk12/Range%20videos%20n%20shizzel/20150825_125100_zpsgziyf1vq.jpg

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[=http://s1382.photobucket.com/user/mullicrk12/media/Range%20videos%20n%20shizzel/20150825_125013_zpsjpkf3xd3.jpg.html]http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/ah244/mullicrk12/Range%20videos%20n%20shizzel/20150825_125013_zpsjpkf3xd3.jpg

Tuhlmann
February 14, 2016, 08:26
Beautiful rifle (non-mag fouled)....SAT

Concrete.....SAT

Man-toe......SAT, but barely since ruined with ugly shoes

Vice.....UNSAT

Incognito
February 14, 2016, 08:59
That is a beautiful machine. I never use a bayonet, but an AK is just not right without its bayonet lug. It adds to its primitive nature.

Texgunner
February 14, 2016, 09:46
I'm not a big fan of folding stocks on AKs. I have friends who love the UF though, and that's fine too.:) To each his own! This is the only folder I have on a Kalashnikov, Beryl stock on my InterArms Tantal:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/Texgunner/Interarms%20wz88%20Tantal/rightsidegood1.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Texgunner/media/Interarms%20wz88%20Tantal/rightsidegood1.jpg.html)

gunplumber
February 14, 2016, 09:52
Underfolders look really cool, but they kindof suck as a shooting platform.

The only "fighting" 7.62 AK I can recommend is the Arsenal 107. Add trigger job, linger sling and ultimak with micro red dot. ((10)) magazines.

About $2000 for the complete package.

Buy once, cry once.

It's what I do, except in 5.45. And having build over a thousand AKs, and run students through classes for years, with every combination of parts, it is what I recommend.

I am playing with the magpul handguard. I find myself grudgingly acknowledging it as an improvement rather than just "different".

The Zukov stock may be better than my previous first choice for standard tang guns - the Beryl.

gunplumber
February 14, 2016, 09:53
Beautiful rifle (non-mag fouled)....SAT

Concrete.....SAT

Man-toe......SAT, but barely since ruined with ugly shoes

Vice.....UNSAT

cleaning rod fail.

gunplumber
February 14, 2016, 09:55
Now within the context of "I want a cool underfolder that isn't a POS" the Polish tends to be the best parts available. But I think you could hunt around and get one with an original barrel.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/smith/ak/gallery-ak-poland-02.jpg

hansellhd
February 14, 2016, 12:07
Several people over on the AK files have that Atlantic underfolder and they like it. As far as underfolders go I like them but not to the exclusion of the other variants of the AK. They all have there place.

My two U.F. AK's

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/3115ea47-18be-4809-ab83-856c4b8e502f_zps9aed6cbe.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/3115ea47-18be-4809-ab83-856c4b8e502f_zps9aed6cbe.jpg.html)

The Polish rifle (Top) was built with the original CHFCL Barrel.

Brian in MN
February 14, 2016, 14:33
What goober puts a bayonet on a AK? Not me. I never use the attached cleaning rod even if it gets cleaned {non corrosive ammo}


What kind of a goober spends that kind of money for an AK that has been neutered in the name of political correctness when there are plenty of options out there that do it right?

Brian in MN
February 14, 2016, 14:39
It's what I do, except in 5.45. And having build over a thousand AKs, and run students through classes for years, with every combination of parts, it is what I recommend.




Why? Are you seeing a few too many problems with kit guns, even those with original barrels? I am not implying anything negative about Arsenal rifles, just wondering why the preference.

gunplumber
February 14, 2016, 14:43
Nothing wrong with kit guns built by someone who knows what they are doing.

But you aren't building a Kyber Pass for the same $1000 as a 107. $450-$500 for a Romy G kit, $250-$300+ for the side folder assy, and then $100 in US parts. You're at $800-$900 before starting.

By the way, the on-board cleaning rod is mediocre for cleaning. But it's great for knocking out a stuck case with a torn rim. And with ammo the weakest link, it happens more often than I'd like - particularly in 7.62.

Brian in MN
February 14, 2016, 15:26
Okay, glad to hear it is simple mathematics. I bought my -74 kits back when $150 got you an unissued fixed stock (which I prefer) Bulgarian demil with original barrel. The math still works on those although I'd prly still be ahead to sell the remaining kits and just buy an Arsenal or two.

gunplumber
February 14, 2016, 16:17
Yeah, there are two kinds of AK guys.

Guys who just want a fighting AK as a tool.

Guys who "collect" AK variants, and want something very specific.

I address both markets, but my recommendations are substantially different for the two.

I'm just a shooter. Thus I sold all the ones I built for myself on th eBulgy folder kits, and bought 104s. I came out several hundred dollars ahead on each one.

http://www.arizonaresponsesystems.com/wp/ak/ak-family-01.jpg

John Crusher
February 14, 2016, 17:04
I've got a rusty crusty Iraqi Contractor WASR 10 that is strictly a tool. I've pondered another UF but would rather just get more ammo and mags. My old beater is just fine and wears a PK-A and I run steel mags, just what the dr. ordered !

wanneroo
February 14, 2016, 20:20
The polish parts kit AK that Atlantic sells is on my shopping list. I researched it last year and couldn't find anything bad said about it. I also have previous good experience with Atlantic as well. I think for the price it looks good. I'm not the biggest AK fan so have no desire to plunge into serial AK collectorship, but I wanted one to have around to shoot and learn about.

Tuhlmann
February 14, 2016, 21:25
I'm not the biggest AK fan so have no desire to plunge into serial AK collectorship......


Famous last words.....:whistling:

Incognito
February 14, 2016, 22:32
I really wanted to build my own AK. A little while ago Midway had the Polish underfolder kits for just under $300. These kits did not come with barrels so by the time I added barrel, US Parts, and tools; the cost was way more than just buying the one from Atlantic. I also looked into just having someone who already has the tools and "know how" to build one. Even at a cut rate price its still more than just buying the Atlantic gun. I do miss the days of building rifles from kits and saving money.

mullicrk
February 15, 2016, 05:55
I really wanted to build my own AK. A little while ago Midway had the Polish underfolder kits for just under $300. These kits did not come with barrels so by the time I added barrel, US Parts, and tools; the cost was way more than just buying the one from Atlantic. I also looked into just having someone who already has the tools and "know how" to build one. Even at a cut rate price its still more than just buying the Atlantic gun. I do miss the days of building rifles from kits and saving money.


If your not going to build one then I would just try and find one done if your going the Polish route. They come up often on GB and sometimes have the original barrel.

mullicrk
February 15, 2016, 06:00
cleaning rod fail.

:facepalm:Yeah no cleaning rod on the pic, this was right after I finished it. I like the cleaning rods and they serve a purpose but to each their own.

idsubgun
February 15, 2016, 09:54
Agreed, I had a Chinese underfolder years ago and used it a lot with no issues.

You answered your own question. I've had a couple dozen AK47's over the years and the one I kept throughout those years was my Chinese Norinco AK47. I just dressed it in the furniture I wanted (not folding). It's been a reliable, accurate rifle all these years. The trigger on mine is probably the finest trigger I ever felt on an AK.

Those that asked about US made barrels compared to original surplus barrels. The surplus barrels were made for full auto fire and are made of much higher quality steel. If the steel used for surplus barrels was used on US barrels, the US barrels would be 2-3 times as much to buy. Don't believe me? Compare machining a surplus barrel with a US barrel. US barrels machine like butter. Surplus barrels are tough as sh*t to machine. Probably have lots of nickel in them, because that how they machine. Remember, most of the world's high quality steel ores come from eastern Europe, Russia and Asia. They have the ore and cheap labor to make "expensive" barrels. Even US military barrels machine much easier then COMBLOC barrels.

Personally, I have that AK47 still because I have a few thousand rounds of ammo, and I believe in having a firearm in all the popular military calibers in case there's a SHTF. BUT, I have gone over to the AK74's as my favorite AK. That round is devastating! And still fairly cheap. Plus, that round is very forgiving shooting from a folding stock. I have one with an East German folder and it's very comfortable to shoot! I wrapped the stock with 550 cord so it feels better against the cheek but wasn't really needed.

LKY_13
February 17, 2016, 18:57
I am playing with the magpul handguard. I find myself grudgingly acknowledging it as an improvement rather than just "different".

Zhukov, or MOE?

justashooter
February 18, 2016, 00:30
jeeze, i never had more than about $250 in an unissued polish underfolder kit build. still have a few. still have that bulgarian plum unissued kit that i traded a can of 5.56 radway green for...someday i'll get around to building it.

oakhandledsks
February 18, 2016, 14:13
I have mostly been bumming around the AK files for the last ten years piling up AK47 style rifles. To me the AK47 is an off hand, standing, toss a big .30 cal bullet into a pie plate sized target at 100 meters rifle. Sure you can do better rested, if you ever have to use it ask your target to kindly stay put for a minute...

As long as they are made with mostly imported parts (ideally entirely) and in good repair every ak47 I own and have owned will do this no problem. Including under-folders, side folders, fixed stocks, rpks, Chinese, Romanian, Polish, Serbian, Hungarian, etc etc. I personally don't see why people don't like under-folders other than they bruise a bit more if you fire them a lot.

Get whatever ak47 you fancy, as long as it is not US made cast parts crap.

SPEEDGUNNER
February 19, 2016, 08:34
Any interest in a Mitchell Arms M-90? It is this one:

Post ban M-90s sold after 1989 there were a total of 5,000. Here is the breakdown:
1000 7.62 x 39 folders
500 RPK (400 in 7.62 x 39) and (100 in .308)
200 M-76 8mm Counter snipers
>>>2,500 M70 7.62 x 39 Standard Model<<<
800 M70 .308 Standard Model

Can provide pictures and more details if needed. Milled, full wood, like new condition. With original box (ratty), 5 mags, sling and pouch. All Yugo.

Bladewurk
February 19, 2016, 09:09
I got rid of all my stamped and prefer milled, actually the Arsenal brand. I guess they are overpriced tho. I wish I still had my 104..
Much lighter than these.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg26/bladewurk/IMG_3417.jpg (http://s244.photobucket.com/user/bladewurk/media/IMG_3417.jpg.html)

JWH
March 13, 2016, 21:30
I'm just a recreational shooter, and all mine shoot exceptionally well.

Never had a failure with any of them.
http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l609/soberhuey/Mobile%20Uploads/20160301_141459-2.jpg (http://s1126.photobucket.com/user/soberhuey/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160301_141459-2.jpg.html)