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sbl11
February 07, 2016, 16:15
Anyone know the background on these mags?

Guy-epic
February 07, 2016, 17:52
Anyone know the background on these mags?


Only that I need one bad and cheap. Most are beat up that are real Rhodes

EastgermanDDRguy
February 07, 2016, 20:05
I have some they are so cool. From what I understand they were made domestic along with the Fal 30 rounders. They seem to not be used with any rifle specifically, there are pics of troops using them (the one with the guys in the truck). Mine are not painted in baby poop. You can tell if they are legit if they are not painted by the horizontal tick marks near the edges of the magazine body that goes for the Fal 30s and G3 30s. They are one of only 2 types of non us made G3 style 30 rounds mags made (the other being the Middle East contract welded 20s) from what understand. Hope this helps.

sbl11
February 07, 2016, 20:43
Can you post a few pictures to show exactly what you mean?

EastgermanDDRguy
February 07, 2016, 23:51
Can you post a few pictures to show exactly what you mean?

I'm in collage in North Dakota right now all my G3 mags are at home in AZ. I will try to find some online for you. It can be tricky to spot them, believe it or not there are imposters out there that are us or cheap copy's. I have used these mags and they are built very well. They also command a 65-100 price. Let me look some up for ya.

EastgermanDDRguy
February 08, 2016, 00:04
http://rs1252.pbsrc.com/albums/hh576/cz52armorer762x25/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsj9utfcj7.png?w=480&h=480&fit=clip
Here ya go this is not my image btw. I zoomed in near the top for reference. If you look carefully near the edge you can see what looks like tally marks, this indicates a true Africa/Rodie mag. These are machining marks from how they make this mag this is unlike any other mag. These can be found on the Fal 30 rounders as well. It also can be noted the light kinda rust blue on these mags, very different than the HK dark black paint or park finish. Your best bet is unknowing people at gunshows that where I got mine ($15 each). If you can't wait then put out a WTB but many people don't know what they have or if it's a true Rodie and if they do know they always want a pretty penny because they are quite rare. Here's the welded twenty mags just for shits and giggles the only other true arsenal 30 round mag.
http://rs1252.pbsrc.com/albums/hh576/cz52armorer762x25/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsjvf5xgra.jpeg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip
Also if you just looking for capacity you can find CETME 25 round mags for cheaper than either or those and they work great. Hope this helps your curiosity.

sbl11
February 08, 2016, 00:16
So the rhodesians used both style of magazine? Welded and straight 30's? Thanks for the help! Now I just need to find a few more rhodie parts. I got lucky in finding an RA marked bolt carrier, now I need a trigger group and stock metal.

EastgermanDDRguy
February 08, 2016, 00:29
So the rhodesians used both style of magazine? Welded and straight 30's? Thanks for the help! Now I just need to find a few more rhodie parts. I got lucky in finding an RA marked bolt carrier, now I need a trigger group and stock metal.

Nope the welded 20s were only used in the Middle East contract rifles. I hope the build works out, I have a century mix master that was built with FMP parts I believe including a very dark shot out barrel. I also wanted to build a real Rodie clone but the kits are very pricy but worth it IMO. When you do Finnish it pm me some pics.

sbl11
February 08, 2016, 00:44
Thanks for the help! It may be awhile before it is all sent off for the build, but I will try and remember to send some pics.

MJ1
February 10, 2016, 14:46
There has always been a problem with vertical feeding magazines because of the weight of rounds when loaded. Over 25 is just to heavey. MCP addressed this with a booster spring. I have not seen MCP magazine offered in twenty years but they were the most reliable. Sacked out springs from garage made mags can cost lives and I have seen this happen. Be careful and good luck.

sbl11
February 10, 2016, 16:00
I have seen photos of the 30 round fal mags, but does anyone have a G3 30 rounder pictures from the period that they can share?

EastgermanDDRguy
February 10, 2016, 20:51
I have seen photos of the 30 round fal mags, but does anyone have a G3 30 rounder pictures from the period that they can share?

http://picturearchive.gunauction.com/3063191659/12446364/267.jpg_thumbnail01.jpg
Here ya go this is a Rodie 30 G3 magazine. (Not my pic)

Andy the Aussie
February 10, 2016, 21:05
The African 30 round "FAL" magazines were not intended for use in the FAL as such (though interchangeable), they were made for the South African 7.62mm Bren conversions. Many of the converted Brens found *cough* their way to Rhodesia along with the magazines, it was then that they started getting stuffed into FALs more commonly.

EastgermanDDRguy
February 10, 2016, 21:12
The African 30 round "FAL" magazines were not intended for use in the FAL as such (though interchangeable), they were made for the South African 7.62mm Bren conversions. Many of the converted Brens found *cough* their way to Rhodesia along with the magazines, it was then that they started getting stuffed into FALs more commonly.

I believe he wants to know about the Rodie G3 30 round mags not the Fal ones.

sbl11
February 10, 2016, 23:13
Yea...still looking for a picture of the G3 30 rounders being used in country during the bush war.

ftierson
February 10, 2016, 23:23
I don't mean to hijack the thread for long, but I've always wanted a few of the 20rd dual use mags, FAL on one end and G3 on the other.

Not really that practical (dirt ingress and all) like these 30rd mags that we're talking about, but still neat... :)

Forrest

EastgermanDDRguy
February 11, 2016, 00:18
Yea...still looking for a picture of the G3 30 rounders being used in country during the bush war.

The pic posted is the ones used during the war...

Andy the Aussie
February 11, 2016, 00:41
I believe he wants to know about the Rodie G3 30 round mags not the Fal ones..... yes I am aware of that, but in post #3 the FAL magazines are mentioned and I was providing the actual context of their use and origin, I do so apologise.

sbl11
February 11, 2016, 01:26
Yea, still wanted to see a historical photo of them in actual use. Never heard of the dual fal/G3 mag

NFADLR
February 11, 2016, 01:46
Forrest is just describing his fantasy magazine.

Not familiar with the SA 30 round G3 mags bit the Cetme 26/27 round mags can be found that I've used on my HK G3 rifle.

Yea, still wanted to see a historical photo of them in actual use. Never heard of the dual fal/G3 mag

EastgermanDDRguy
February 11, 2016, 11:01
Yea, still wanted to see a historical photo of them in actual use. Never heard of the dual fal/G3 mag

Ohhhhh you wanted a historical photo, yah I got nothing for that.

EastgermanDDRguy
February 11, 2016, 11:03
.... yes I am aware of that, but in post #3 the FAL magazines are mentioned and I was providing the actual context of their use and origin, I do so apologise.

Didn't mean to come off sharp, when I first went in this I started typing about the Fal 30s before I noticed this was in the HK sub forum thought you may have made the same mistake.

d762nato
February 17, 2016, 06:48
One size fits all....

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m290/dlehrman/FAL_MagFAL.G3.Prototype_zpssck7kctq.jpg (http://s107.photobucket.com/user/dlehrman/media/FAL_MagFAL.G3.Prototype_zpssck7kctq.jpg.html)

Especially good to have for those exploring the dark continent. :biggrin:

Blackwing
February 18, 2016, 23:19
One size fits all....

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m290/dlehrman/FAL_MagFAL.G3.Prototype_zpssck7kctq.jpg (http://s107.photobucket.com/user/dlehrman/media/FAL_MagFAL.G3.Prototype_zpssck7kctq.jpg.html)

Is this magazine a real thing?

ftierson
February 19, 2016, 01:02
Is this magazine a real thing?

Yes, it was an experimental magazine fabricated by Mauser to feed the Bundeswehr's G1 and G3 rifles...

Forrest

Blackwing
February 25, 2016, 23:54
Yes, it was an experimental magazine fabricated by Mauser to feed the Bundeswehr's G1 and G3 rifles...

Forrest

Has anyone actually seen one of these?

Blackwing
March 02, 2016, 10:41
How would you get either of the followers or the spring out of that?

21HK
March 02, 2016, 17:01
How would you get either of the followers or the spring out of that?

In theory, based that it was designed for the military, it would be a throw away item. If it was damaged or worn they'd probably just replace it.

Blackwing
March 02, 2016, 17:54
Hmmm. In that case you would have to assemble the spring/followers in the mag body before it was finish welded and surface finished as well.

ftierson
March 02, 2016, 18:43
Hmmm. In that case you would have to assemble the spring/followers in the mag body before it was finish welded and surface finished as well.

How were all those welded .45ACP mags made?

Forrest

sbl11
March 02, 2016, 23:03
No one has a period picture of these in the field?

planner
March 08, 2016, 18:26
IIRC, the Dominican Republic made 30 rd mags for their G3's. Maybe some came in back "in the day".

G3isMe
April 12, 2016, 17:57
I just purchased these as Rhodesian 30 round magazines. I have no reason to doubt the seller. One of these is going to sbl11 as a small token of my appreciation for his service to the Country...:bow:...:bow:...:bow:... Not sure if the blob of mud is African or from the parking lot of the seller....:rofl:....I wish my ex-father in law was still alive as a Soils Engineer he could probably have told me....:biggrin:...




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https://i.uploadly.com/kdilpwz9.jpg
https://i.uploadly.com/usxuahp5.jpg
https://i.uploadly.com/bqkmu9fv.jpg

G3isMe
April 12, 2016, 18:33
I admit I was skeptical about that the tick marks being on all Rhodie magazines, so I looked at one of my Rhodie 30 round FAL mags and there were the tick marks just like EastgermanDDRguy said would be on a Rhodie mag. Well I'll be damned...:bow:... So I looked close at the G3 mags, rubbed one of them down with a scrubby type pad and there they were on those mags too. Kind of hard to see in the last picture but they are there.....:bow:.:bow:.:bow:....so now I am really confident they are Rhodesian...


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https://i.uploadly.com/h9vq96jt.jpg
https://i.uploadly.com/xd7kdqiu.jpg
https://i.uploadly.com/cji1ia5g.jpg


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sbl11
April 13, 2016, 14:10
Still on the hunt for one pictured in the wild! Just need to find mag pouch for these now! :tongue: