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Louis
February 07, 2016, 11:05
So I bought this receiver here in the mp. I picked it up, gave it a quick inspection then sat on it for a month or so and let the holidays pass. Finally pulled it out to inspect and look what I find. Op stated the magwell fit was loose and he had swapped ej's to somewhat remedy the fit. At first I thought it was inch, upon closer inspection and asking around it just has a huge rectangular cut from what looks like a wheel instead of the normal half moon. I only have metric mags and interest in what I thought was a metric mag cut receiver. Also op stated that the receiver hand timed "correctly" with the four barrels he had. Well, I have three on hand and they all under time. Whats the collective think?

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EinheitElf
February 07, 2016, 11:40
Well I bought a couple,3 of the same receivers years ago and one of them timed like that,but it was not bottomed out on the chamber end so I had a tiny bit shaved off the barrel side,like 4 thou or something and went on fine.
As to the mag well,that IS a metric cut but it looks huge. Inch mag cut is square looking. That was the first thing I learned...square cut inch,quarter moon(curved,crescent,etc) metric. I have seen th odd receiver that looked cut for both,or tried.

Sorry,not much more than that to chime in with

Louis
February 07, 2016, 12:13
If it's that upsetting, maybe you should have avoided the cheap seats and bought stage-side quality to begin with??? There's a reason the Imbel type IIIs are always a good place to start, and Entreprise maybe not so. Magwell and other features...well it is an Entreprise item and there's more than one reason they are no longer in biz and making them. By the time they tried to produce type IIIs quality was not a hallmark with the operation.

Bought it because I figured it would run as stated in the thread. No mention of that abomination of a cut being present. I have a few Imbels, LMT DSA's etc. Wasn't trying to be cheap just splurged on it I guess. Should have known better but was going off of the sellers feedback here, etc.

DakTo
February 07, 2016, 12:13
The magazine inch tab cut appears to be over a metric cut and is a lot narrower than a factory cut. Usually the inch tab cuts are a lot wider. This type narrower cut is what I used to do on Century's to accommodate both type magazines. Don't be surprised if once you insert the receiver parts that both magazines seat & function. You might get a slight wiggle with the metric.

The barrel hand tightened appears 10' o'clock and shouldn't be an obstacle unless the breech surface bottoms out.

G3isMe
February 07, 2016, 12:14
Timing looks good to me. In fact pretty great actually. Wait until you get one that times at 9:30. I would be happy with that timing any day....


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Louis
February 07, 2016, 12:25
Timing looks good to me. In fact pretty great actually. Wait until you get one that times at 9:30. I would be happy with that timing any day....


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Timing doesn't bother me, under is always better than over. Op stated it was "correct" so I guess that can be seen as true. The lack of disclosure of this cut and the height/depth of it is what has me upset. No mention in the original thread. This thing looks like it was hacked.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 12:31
The magazine inch tab cut appears to be over a metric cut and is a lot narrower than a factory cut. Usually the inch tab cuts are a lot wider.

That's exactly what I thought I was seeing too.

G3isMe
February 07, 2016, 12:31
...The lack of disclosure of this cut and the height/depth of it is what has me upset. No mention in the original thread. This thing looks like it was hacked.

How do the mags fit? Are they sloppy when inserted?

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Louis
February 07, 2016, 12:39
How do the mags fit? Are they sloppy when inserted?

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Very poorly. I can grab the measurements when I get home and post them. I've tried about 10 mags and all move considerably up and down, slightly side to side.

mp
February 07, 2016, 12:45
Are you insinuating the previous owner made that mag notch cut? I just pulled my 2002 era Entreprise Type III out of the safe and the mag notch looks very similar. Pretty sure that is how Entreprise cuts their notches versus Belgian metric, probably to save time and costs. That's why EA receivers are not highly sought after--they cut corners. But that's a known issue that comes with purchasing their units.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 12:49
Are you insinuating the previous owner made that mag notch cut? I just pulled my 2002 era Entreprise Type III out of the safe and the mag notch looks very similar. Pretty sure that is how Entreprise cuts their notches versus Belgian metric, probably to save time and costs. That's why EA receivers are not highly sought after--they cut corners. But that's a known issue that comes with purchasing their units.

Not necessarily. I have no idea who cut it but something like this that causes such a problem with magazines fitting should have been disclosed not averted.

mp
February 07, 2016, 12:57
Not necessarily. I have no idea who cut it but something like this that causes such a problem with magazines fitting should have been disclosed not averted.

Several of us are trying to tell you that is how an Enterprise receiver notch looks. The only thing a seller should disclose are modifications he or she made to the receiver, such as the replaced ejector block in this case.

This would be like a buyer getting angry a seller did not disclose the bolt bump on a Coonan receiver. Its how the receiver was made.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 13:03
Several of us are trying to tell you that is how an Enterprise receiver notch looks. The only thing a seller should disclose are modifications he or she made to the receiver, such as the replaced ejector block in this case.

This would be like a buyer getting angry a seller did not disclose the bolt bump on a Coonan receiver. Its how the receiver was made.

Okay, that's your opinion and thank you. I don't agree with your analogy at all though. There is no way I would try to sell this receiver as it was stated. There is an obvious problem with the cut and its geometry. Should have been disclosed. That simple. A coonan bump and a beak cut like this are apples and oranges.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 13:12
Several of us are trying to tell you that is how an Enterprise receiver notch looks. The only thing a seller should disclose are modifications he or she made to the receiver, such as the replaced ejector block in this case.

This would be like a buyer getting angry a seller did not disclose the bolt bump on a Coonan receiver. Its how the receiver was made.

Several or just you? I read every word of every post in this thread and the only person deducing that this is normal is you sir.

mouthpiece
February 07, 2016, 13:16
The mag beak cut is at the correct height. I don't believe the beek cut size is relevant to mag looseness. The rifle never had bolt over problems on loose magwell. That was disclosed.
Magwell looseness was disclosed in the ad and the beak cut is well know about Entreprise receivers and didn't even think about it because it is common among Entreaprise receivers.
I asked if you had inspected the receiver several days after your dealer had received it and you said you had. That was the time to send it back, not a month later.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 13:33
The mag beak cut is at the correct height. I don't believe the beek cut size is relevant to mag looseness. The rifle never had bolt over problems on loose magwell. That was disclosed.
Magwell looseness was disclosed in the ad and the beak cut is well know about Entreprise receivers and didn't even think about it because it is common among Entreaprise receivers.
I asked if you had inspected the receiver several days after your dealer had received it and you said you had. That was the time to send it back, not a month later.

So you don't answer my pm and reply here instead. A day or a month doesn't matter. When I spoke to you my wife had been in the hospital for days. I picked it up, gave it a once over and went back to what was important. So your not going to refund me for this shady deal because a few weeks went by? This is getting interesting.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 14:03
Not very....

It's an Entreprise, not a better name. You're really just bitching the mag well cut, and given the source of manufacture....well, cry if you like...I still see it like that's a feature (given the disclosed ejector body change)

A feature? Bitching? I am seriously starting to wonder about some of the insight given here. If I come off as bitching sorry. Integrity goes a long way.

4x401
February 07, 2016, 14:30
Sounds like complete disclosure was made regarding the receivers issues. I find nothing "Shady" about this transaction in the least.

It's a buyers responsibility to promptly inspect anything bought and contact the seller in a reasonable time frame if dissatisfied. Buyer admits inspecting upon receipt and being satisfied. Sounds like buyers remorse to me..

..and that beak cut is typical and well documented Enterprise work..:whistling:

Guy-epic
February 07, 2016, 14:50
I am no expert, nor do I care if the money is refunded, or not. I do hope your wife is doing well? Or at least I hope she is better? I think it's hard to be critical of quality when you buy a less then quality product. I have been hanging around for a bit, I play with a FN products as I love the quality. With that said we are in a sad state of existence, as our elected officials have taken away our ability to access high quality receivers. I have seen a FAL built on a Enterprise reciever that has some mag wobble yet with all its poor quality cuts, it runs like a top. I believe it took some effort to get it to that point.

So you complained about the barrel timing yet it seems to be within tolerance possibly?
Next issue is the cut for the beak of the magazine? Looks like others I have seen, if I am seeing what I believe to be your issue? I guess it would be great to see the exact post to read exactly what was described word for word. Also see any pictures that were given. Not sure if this is avalible?
What is a fact, you were asked if you had inspected it? Correct? You replied yes?
If that is the case IMO you said it was GTG. People sell things often times to buy other things, I know I do. I am always under the impression that once I say we are good, then well I am stuck no matter what. That's just how I think the world works, and is fair. If you had said my wife is in the hospital, give me a few weeks? Well then we may have a different situation. But understandably you glanced at it, and went with it. If the seller does give you a refund? He is going way above and beyond any call of duty IMO. If he doesn't? I feel he has every right to, and doesn't deserve any poor feedback for this. If that's what you are thinking. Lastly he may not have replied to your PM, instead he responded openly in front of all members. That definetly makes me think he did nothing wrong at all. What we will likely never know is if he cut the receiver, if it was done by Enterprise, or a third party cut it? Unless the seller did do it and says he did it.

I guess what's more important is how your wife is doing? Also had you ever seen the poor quality of Enterprise prior to this? I guess somethings are just assumed? Like A seller would never likely point out all of the possible issues with a known low quality product when trying to sell it, if they did that they would likely not ever sell it. This is just my not so valuable opinion on this topic. Take it, or likely leave it.

mouthpiece
February 07, 2016, 15:01
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395188


I did not cut the receiver. It was that way from Entreprise.
Entreprise had this rifle for 2 or 3 months and they stated it was within spec.

Guy-epic
February 07, 2016, 16:47
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=395188


I did not cut the receiver. It was that way from Entreprise.
Entreprise had this rifle for 2 or 3 months and they stated it was within spec.

Well looks like buyers remorse to me. Likely he was busy, and didn't take the time to inspect it to see if it was up to his standards which if his wife was in the hospital I understand that. I think he made the mistake by saying it was all good, as at that point it is his IMO. I think the fact that you had measurements was a good way of covering facts that it wasn't up to DSA specs. That doesn't mean that you won't find a Imbel that measured differently. I honestly don't know what FN's tolerance is in that area. Does anyone? Maybe. I guess if he didn't have the time to inspect it he should of said so. There is always a reason Used Enterprise receivers are for sale, I think most of the time is because a person upgraded. You had even said you had issues with magazines not fitting. I guess I am confused what the problem is. Maybe a knowledgeable member can post pictures of that area that he thinks you modified? I think we would find others likely came from factory that way?

meltblown
February 07, 2016, 16:57
Get you some inch mags and move on. Is it marked L1A1? It is Enterprise for chrisakes

Louis
February 07, 2016, 17:14
Get you some inch mags and move on. Is it marked L1A1? It is Enterprise for chrisakes

It is not and I appreciate how dismissive you all have been. The receiver has been hacked. NOT by me or any associate and I'm supposed to feel bad for calling it out in a reasonable timeframe? The seller offered a refund minus shipping and I'm taking it. Don't feel bad about it. Y'all can troll and say all you want. Open season...

Louis
February 07, 2016, 17:17
For those that have asked, my wife is stable. She is suffering from multiple chronic physical illnesses/disabilities and is home and getting the treatment/care that she needs. She appreciates the thoughts, God bless.

meltblown
February 07, 2016, 17:20
Nobody is dismissive. How much did you pay? I have a bunch of shit I probably paid a little more than I should. Probably 10 or 15 rifles worth. We're you expecting filet mignon? I have a few uppers that are top sirloin but they cost me surf and turf. You guys need to research more.

4x401
February 07, 2016, 17:35
The receiver has been hacked.

:facepalm:

That statement shows your inexperience in dealing with FAL related parts in general.

There's nothing wrong with the mag cut.

You simply refuse to take responsibility for not performing due diligence in your purchase... Speaks a lot of your "Integrity" as well...:shrug:

meltblown
February 07, 2016, 17:43
:facepalm:

That statement shows your inexperience in dealing with FAL related parts in general.

There's nothing wrong with the mag cut.

You simply refuse to take responsibility for not performing due diligence in your purchase... Speaks a lot of your "Integrity" as well...:shrug:

He did ask the board. Now wants to be a little butt hurt on the response. So here is my suggestion
Furthermore, I can send you a file to get that barrel to time up. And yes my handjobs are as accurate as a shitty hobby lathe




don't buy Enterprise receivers. . Unless you are just building to be cheap.

Flypaper
February 07, 2016, 17:59
And yes my handjobs are as accurate as a shitty hobby lathe


Did you want to rephrase that ? :D

jam762
February 07, 2016, 18:04
Handjobs huh?

He did ask the board. Now wants to be a little butt hurt on the response. So here is my suggestion
Furthermore, I can send you a file to get that barrel to time up. And yes my handjobs are as accurate as a shitty hobby lathe




don't buy Enterprise receivers. . Unless you are just building to be cheap.

meltblown
February 07, 2016, 18:12
Did you want to rephrase that ? :D

I like using a hand tool.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 18:57
Nobody is dismissive. How much did you pay? I have a bunch of shit I probably paid a little more than I should. Probably 10 or 15 rifles worth. We're you expecting filet mignon? I have a few uppers that are top sirloin but they cost me surf and turf. You guys need to research more.

$325, figured it would go together and run as the seller stated it did. My expectation was that, nothing more. It does not and I can see clearly why.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 18:58
:facepalm:

That statement shows your inexperience in dealing with FAL related parts in general.

There's nothing wrong with the mag cut.

You simply refuse to take responsibility for not performing due diligence in your purchase... Speaks a lot of your "Integrity" as well...:shrug:

So you have anything other than shit to spread? You assume a whole lot.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 19:05
He did ask the board. Now wants to be a little butt hurt on the response. So here is my suggestion
Furthermore, I can send you a file to get that barrel to time up. And yes my handjobs are as accurate as a shitty hobby lathe




don't buy Enterprise receivers. . Unless you are just building to be cheap.

Funny how everyone gets labeled as "butt hurt" round here everytime something gets called out. Most of y'all are old enough to be grandparents and this is what the standard seems to be. I'll take my "inexperienced" self elsewhere for my kicks. The regular crowd here is pretty tired.

4x401
February 07, 2016, 19:35
So you have anything other than shit to spread? You assume a whole lot.

Not shit, truth.

Everything "wrong" with the receiver was stated in the sale add, you rolled the dice and bought it anyway. You say it won't "Run", exactly what does that mean?

Did you assemble the rifle, or did someone else? How many have you or whoever did assemble the rifle done?

Just because you say it doesn't "Run", doesn't mean it won't. It just means you lack the knowledge to make it work.

Again you show a total lack of responsibility for your own decisions.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 19:46
Not shit, truth.

Everything "wrong" with the receiver was stated in the sale add, you rolled the dice and bought it anyway. You say it won't "Run", exactly what does that mean?

Did you assemble the rifle, or did someone else? How many have you or whoever did assemble the rifle done?

Just because you say it doesn't "Run", doesn't mean it won't. It just means you lack the knowledge to make it work.

Again you show a total lack of responsibility for your own decisions.

Mags don't fit with bho and mag catch installed. No reason to go any further with assembling. Reasons stated above. If you would have read my earlier posts you would have seen that I noted I have handled three Entreprise receivers prior to this one and all three had uniform beak cut consistent with all others I have seen.

I have built 10 for myself and helped assemble a few more. All function as they should. Slew of ak's before. I'm sure that's not near enough experience for you but with fal's that's what I have. I spent a long while at camp funston, Ft. Riley KS rebuilding numerous small arms and crew served systems. I'm new around the files, not around a bench. Guess I'm just ignorant.

4x401
February 07, 2016, 20:24
Mags don't fit with bho and mag catch installed. No reason to go any further with assembling. Reasons stated above. If you would have read my earlier posts you would have seen that I noted I have handled three Entreprise receivers prior to this one and all three had uniform beak cut consistent with all others I have seen.

I have built 10 for myself and helped assemble a few more. All function as they should. Slew of ak's before. I'm sure that's not near enough experience for you but with fal's that's what I have. I spent a long while at camp funston, Ft. Riley KS rebuilding numerous small arms and crew served systems. I'm new around the files, not around a bench. Guess I'm just ignorant.

AHHH, so you never completed assembly, and your statement it doesn't "Run" was a lie...Why did I know that. :|

I can appreciate your vast experience rebuilding whatever it is you did, but that "experience" don't translate to FAL experience. If it did, you wouldn't be here whining.

I quit counting FAL builds at 200...

I have made everything from the most FUBAR Angry Beaver Century, to the most Fubar Enterprise, DSA, et all "Run".

So your assessment as to your own ignorance regarding FAL's is actually quite accurate... :shrug:

meltblown
February 07, 2016, 20:29
Send it to me. I'll trade it for a shitty STG barrel and a decent lower

Louis
February 07, 2016, 20:33
AHHH, so you never completed assembly, and your statement it doesn't "Run" was a lie...Why did I know that. :|

I can appreciate your vast experience rebuilding whatever it is you did, but that "experience" don't translate to FAL experience. If it did, you wouldn't be here whining.

I quit counting FAL builds at 200...

I have made everything from the most FUBAR Angry Beaver Century, to the most Fubar Enterprise, DSA, et all "Run".

So your assessment as to your own ignorance regarding FAL's is actually quite accurate... :shrug:

Does all your touting make you feel better? I hope so. Seems like you have a whole lot to say sitting on your ass.

Louis
February 07, 2016, 20:36
Send it to me. I'll trade it for a shitty STG barrel and a decent lower

I'm good, thanks though. Its going back to Tim. Thanks for everyone's input.

prosecond
February 07, 2016, 20:56
Timing looks fine to me. I have had old DSA overtime before. Much harder to deal with. As far as the mag well cut it looks normal to me for Entreprise. I only own a couple of inch version entreprise currently no metric or I would snap you a pic of the tab cut.

4x401
February 07, 2016, 20:56
Does all your touting make you feel better? I hope so. Seems like you have a whole lot to say sitting on your ass.

Well,,,,

"Sitting on my ASS is accurate". :rofl:

I managed to accomplish a couple things today...I was able to determine your "actual" experience with FAL's... and was able to call out a whining Kunt... and didn't have to leave my loading bench to do it... So thanks to you, I have 2500 rounds of 7.62 x 51 loaded, and a sniveling, whining bitch exposed for all to see here. :bow:

ETA..

What did you do today besides bleed all over the internet??

Invictus77
February 07, 2016, 21:38
I have no idea who cut it but something like this that causes such a problem with magazines fitting should have been disclosed not averted.

Several of us are trying to tell you that is how an Enterprise receiver notch looks.

The mag beak cut is at the correct height. I asked if you had inspected the receiver several days after your dealer had received it and you said you had.

Sounds like complete disclosure was made regarding the receivers issues. I find nothing "Shady" about this transaction in the least.
..and that beak cut is typical and well documented Enterprise work..:whistling:

It is Enterprise for chrisakes

The seller offered a refund minus shipping and I'm taking it.


You should give the seller an A++++++ feedback for going way above and beyond the call of duty.

4x401
February 07, 2016, 21:48
You should give the seller an A++++++ feedback for going way above and beyond the call of duty.

He should, then disappear as promised.

one hand clapping
February 09, 2016, 09:27
Slow down. Louis is alright. I have met him. Give the guy some breathing room , given the givens.

I DO think positive feedback for the seller is due, given his accepting return. That was a class move on his part.

4x401
February 10, 2016, 23:05
Slow down. Louis is alright. I have met him. Give the guy some breathing room , given the givens.

Plenty here have "Met" me too and actually concluded I'm "Alright". Sorry if that's an inconvenient fact to whatever point your trying to make. :shrug:

I'll make no apologies for my belief that a persons word should be something another can "Take to the bank" regardless of "Given the givens"..

Mr. Louis came here to whine about a purchase he made WITH FULL DISCLOSURE regarding the "Fleas" of the receiver in question...He bought it with "Eye's wide open", then LIED about the fact it wouldn't "RUN", when in fact he NEVER COMPLETED ASSEMBLY TO KNOW IF IT DID OR DIDN"T. ..

Mr. Mouthpiece didn't deserve Louis obvious "Buyers remorse" ramblings. They were totally unfounded and without merit.

Maybe Louis should play on ARFCOM.

Personally, I wouldn't sell Louis a flaming bag of dog crap..'cause I'm sure he'd bitch it wasn't hot when it landed on his doorstep.

4x401
February 11, 2016, 00:54
Well looks like buyers remorse to me. Likely he was busy, and didn't take the time to inspect it to see if it was up to his standards which if his wife was in the hospital I understand that. I think he made the mistake by saying it was all good, as at that point it is his IMO. I think the fact that you had measurements was a good way of covering facts that it wasn't up to DSA specs. That doesn't mean that you won't find a Imbel that measured differently. I honestly don't know what FN's tolerance is in that area. Does anyone? Maybe. I guess if he didn't have the time to inspect it he should of said so. There is always a reason Used Enterprise receivers are for sale, I think most of the time is because a person upgraded. You had even said you had issues with magazines not fitting. I guess I am confused what the problem is. Maybe a knowledgeable member can post pictures of that area that he thinks you modified? I think we would find others likely came from factory that way?

This is honestly the most intelligent, coherent post I've ever seen you make, CONGRATS!!

brunop
February 11, 2016, 17:50
I don't want Louis to disappear. Seemed like a good guy to me when I met him. While the FAL Files is populated by grown ups, and the freedom of expression allowed on private property makes this the best board on the internet, I think everyone should:

get off the dog pile


...and let Louis send the guy a seller's review. This will tell the tale of how it is resolved. The seller (mouthpiece) has already proven his strength as a seller.

AZ Dave
February 11, 2016, 19:21
Louis, you inspected it and said it was ok. At that point, you own it....No matter your reasons.

meltblown
February 11, 2016, 19:34
It's an Enterprise for christsakes. Not the same namesake as the carrier or the starship.

Bwana John
February 12, 2016, 10:03
It's an Enterprise for christsakes

Actually, its a Entreprise. :wink:

My StG 58C receiver from them needed some work to get running dependably, but after that turned out to work very well even with the sloppy mag fit.

gunplumber
February 12, 2016, 10:54
So I bought this receiver here in the mp. I picked it up, gave it a quick inspection then sat on it for a month or so and let the holidays pass.

This is all anyone needs to read.

At this point, you have no claim, justified or not.

mouthpiece
February 25, 2016, 20:54
Picked up the receiver tonight.
Refund posted
-$20 my shipping
-$10 dealer transfer fee.

ALL FAL
February 26, 2016, 00:10
Most of you probably looked at that thread, sickening that DSA would even sell a receiver that would get a guy killed in a fire fight.

Far as this thread, my first comment and I have No good or bad to say about parties involved, except the seller is a good guy for taking it back and giving a refund.

Best regards to all.

Right Side Up
February 26, 2016, 03:53
Part of being a good seller is taking back something someone doesn't like, even when the buyer is a retard. BTDT.

Kudo's to the seller. I'd do business with him anytime.

raubvogel
February 26, 2016, 16:27
Part of being a good seller is taking back something someone doesn't like, even when the buyer is a retard. BTDT.

I think the term is "taking the high road." :wink:

To the OP: I probably would have started this thread in the gunsmithing or the normal FAL forum instead of here

meltblown
February 26, 2016, 16:37
Well mouth you are a good man, although I don't think your integrity was at stake. You stated what it was in the ad.

Louis
February 26, 2016, 16:45
To the OP: I probably would have started this thread in the gunsmithing or the normal FAL forum instead of here[/QUOTE]

I did, mods moved it here.

Louis
February 26, 2016, 16:51
The seller has been a stand up guy to deal with. We all have our opinions, some stronger than others. But hey, this is the files. We worked out a return, everything was square and I wish no hard feelings to anyone. I will make sure to leave a detailed positive review here reflecting the nature of the deal.

:fal:

Louis
February 26, 2016, 16:57
Plenty here have "Met" me too and actually concluded I'm "Alright". Sorry if that's an inconvenient fact to whatever point your trying to make. :shrug:

I'll make no apologies for my belief that a persons word should be something another can "Take to the bank" regardless of "Given the givens"..

Mr. Louis came here to whine about a purchase he made WITH FULL DISCLOSURE regarding the "Fleas" of the receiver in question...He bought it with "Eye's wide open", then LIED about the fact it wouldn't "RUN", when in fact he NEVER COMPLETED ASSEMBLY TO KNOW IF IT DID OR DIDN"T. ..

Mr. Mouthpiece didn't deserve Louis obvious "Buyers remorse" ramblings. They were totally unfounded and without merit.

Maybe Louis should play on ARFCOM.

Personally, I wouldn't sell Louis a flaming bag of dog crap..'cause I'm sure he'd bitch it wasn't hot when it landed on his doorstep.

What's your deal? Seems your the only one here trying to stir the pot. Why don't you go **** yourself you overly opinionated, nosy, bored old bastard. I'm generaly a nice guy, do lots for others and believe it or not I actually have honor deep inside of me too. so I'm not jiving with your bullshit. Have a day.

evan price
February 29, 2016, 06:22
What's your deal? Seems your the only one here trying to stir the pot. Why don't you go **** yourself you overly opinionated, nosy, bored old bastard. I'm generaly a nice guy, do lots for others and believe it or not I actually have honor deep inside of me too. so I'm not jiving with your bullshit. Have a day.

List of guys i will never deal with:

Louis has been added to the list.

AZ Dave
February 29, 2016, 07:30
I always hold the payment until I'm certain the buyer is satisfied with an item purchased from me. When the buyer expresses his satisfaction, the money is used for other things. Louis, you lucked out on this one my friend. The seller was not obligated to issue a refund because you told him the frame looked good. You should pay for all of the shipping and dealer fee the seller was out. Mouthpiece, you are an honorable man. Louis, are probably a good guy too but you came off as a little whiny. I would have just resold the receiver and pointed out your perceived flaws. Good luck to both of you....DDDave

tac-40
February 29, 2016, 15:13
Louis, this is from the Gun Plumber's review of an ENTREPRISE FAL receiver:

The photograph that did not turn out well was a closeup of the feed ramps. The radii are either too deep or too close together, as the ridge in the middle is smaller than on an FN receiver. This does not seem to have an adverse effect on operation. The same closeup showed the front recess for the tab on the front of the magazine. It is taller and wider than an FN, but works. One gun fit all magazines loosely. It still cycled fine, and perhaps its simply a stacking of errors with a worn mag catch and a pile of used magazines, but it also could be this notch was a bit too low.

So as you can see, these receivers have been having issues in the mag well area for a long time. Some of GP's critiques were taken to heart by Entreprise and they modified their processes. A later review on stated - The front magazine notch was clean. Magazines installed without issue.

So as you can see, there WERE known problems with the mag well areas of these receivers.

4x401
February 29, 2016, 16:20
What's your deal? Seems your the only one here trying to stir the pot. Why don't you go **** yourself you overly opinionated, nosy, drunken, bored old bastard. I'm generaly a nice guy, do lots for others and believe it or not I actually have honor deep inside of me too. so I'm not jiving with your bullshit. Have a day.

FYP

Your reading comprehension is off, I'm not the only "One".

Sticks & stones....

If you had Actually practiced :idea: the honor you profess to have, this all would have been a non-issue. Just pointing out another inconvenient truth I guess. :shrug:

dashaus
March 06, 2016, 00:05
Louis is a good guy and so is mouthpiece - opinions are like assholes everyone got at least one!

Having a difference of of opinion and tell a guy no shirt no shoes no service is What makes America The God Dang Greatest County in the world and FALfiles a good place for all us Fu** tards.