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Aeroscout
December 22, 2015, 04:55
I am currently in the market for a short barreled .308 bolt gun.

I have been looking at several models but have actually only handled a couple of them.

1) Savage hog rifle

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_62_974/products_id/78093/Savage+11+HOG+HNTR+308+TB

2) Savage 10FCP-SR (The new model....The older model was better but also more $$$)

https://www.riflegear.com/p-4646-savage-arms-10fcp-sr-20-308-win.aspx

3) Mossberg MVP in 18.5 or 20 inch.

https://www.riflegear.com/p-2626-mossberg-mvp-predator-762nato-185.aspx
http://www.riflegear.com/p-2627-mossberg-mvp-predator-762nato-20.aspx

4) Weatherby Vangard Vanguard Series 2 Carbine Bolt

http://www.gunbuyer.com/p-19146-wthby-vct308nr0o-vngrd-s2-308-carb.aspx

Anyone have some hands on input to offer........?

I am leaning towards the Hog rifle or Weatherby, but kind of like the idea of a detachable mag and muzzle threads.

Jon Frum
December 22, 2015, 09:13
Savage 11

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393844

SAFN49
December 22, 2015, 11:59
Steyr scout my favorite

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=532645173

rustypirate
December 23, 2015, 03:18
I am going to stay old-school and stick with my FR-8.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/f458de96eae6fbbb3cde7e2c1e3ef485/tumblr_nnoxo8ASQB1rwjpnyo1_500h.jpg

(photo not mine)

Aeroscout
December 23, 2015, 04:06
Steyr scout my favorite

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=532645173

I had a Steyr 20 inch HB tactical.....it looked good but I was not impressed with its accuracy at all and the stock flat out blew.....I sold it for $800 and am buying a replacement short barreled .308 at a couple hundred bucks lower price point.

I think I have it narrowed down to a Savage......now which model......I have found a couple more that seem to fit the bill.

I think this may be the one....

http://www.southernshootersgunsandgear.com/product.savage-10-p-sr-308-18-barrel-heavy-threaded-62

Pretty much the same as the Savage 10FCP-SR previously mentioned but with 18 inch barrel....they also loose the accustock (not that it matters much) and add the 5R rifling which I understand is a good thing.

Tuhlmann
December 23, 2015, 07:08
I have a Savage 10 Patrol Carbine. It has a 20" barrel and the Accustock. I ditched the Accustock in favor of a Choate Tactical with aluminum bedding and an upgraded bolt handle. I shoot it suppressed, and I have to say that I am very happy with it. It shoots every bit as well as I can. I think I paid somewhere in the $600 range for it new, and stayed well under the $1000 mark with my changes.

That little 18" might be a little snappy with a naked muzzle, but I'm guessing you have a plan for that. :shades:

richbug
December 23, 2015, 07:56
I have the Mossberg MVP Predator in 7.62. Being able to take M14 or SR25 mags is great. The trigger is great. The action is sort of Rem 700ish, a long way from pre-64 Winchester smooth. Accuracy is so-so at best. I have probably 20 different loads through it. Most are 2-3 MOAish. For $500 I expected more.


At $219, the Savage Axis will out shoot it all day, every day, any load. The axis is lacking in the style points area though. Crappy trigger, crappy stock, crappy lines, crappy magazine... Huge value as a cheap rifle to throw in the truck or tractor.


I'd buy the MVP again, just on the novelty of the magazine, just wish they would have used a better barrel.

W.E.G.
December 23, 2015, 09:29
If the detachable mag is to be a big factor, I don't understand why one would choose bolt over AR-type semi in 2016.

With AR-type, you can have as nice a trigger as your wallet can bear.

Reliability and accuracy are on-par with any bolt gun.

In my mind, the ONLY practical reason for a bolt in 2016 is the trim lines of NO external mag.

gunplumber
December 23, 2015, 09:43
In my mind, the ONLY practical reason for a bolt in 2016 is the trim lines of NO external mag.

I've retained my bolt action for one purpose - suppressed fire. It is quieter than a semi, by a substantial amount.

But I am still wondering if it is enough quieter to make any practical difference on a supersonic cartridge.

I may just pick my most accurate of my three SCAR 17s and make that my "sniper rifle"

W.E.G.
December 23, 2015, 09:59
I've been around the block one time on suppressed center fire.

Agree that fixed breech makes most sense for suppressed.
Unless you don't mid all that crap and gas puked back in your face, and into the innards of the rifle.

Only suppressed center fire design that impresses me now is big-bore subsonic in a fixed breech design at less than 100 yards. I see real utility in that for certain hunting/pest-management applications. For me personally, I'm not doing enough of that to warrant the $$$. I need a high-quality low-profile vehicle jack, and some spare cash to pay a helper, more than I need another use-only-a-few-times gadget-gun.

I already have a lifetime supply of ear plugs.

Timber Wolf
December 23, 2015, 11:44
I am going to stay old-school and stick with my FR-8.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/f458de96eae6fbbb3cde7e2c1e3ef485/tumblr_nnoxo8ASQB1rwjpnyo1_500h.jpg

(photo not mine)

Now you have done it. I am going to have to pull my FR-8 out, blow off the dust/cob webs, and go shoot it.;)

rustypirate
December 23, 2015, 13:28
Best shooting rifle I own. I love ringing gongs at 100 yards with it.

Fn/form
December 23, 2015, 18:59
You looking for a heavy barrel only? I'm partial to the FN/Winchester SPR and TSR.

For a sporter for I'd go Win featherweight compact, Tikka compact or CZ 557 short action. Some interesting aftermarket stock options now. I'd love to find a Tikka Battue Lite stateside.

For a tinkering rifle it's hard to beat the Savage. Not a fan of the extractor or feed tho.

richbug
December 23, 2015, 20:08
$50-75 rebate on the Savages.

http://www.savagearms.com/promotions/

SAFN49
December 23, 2015, 22:17
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s30/djm540idjm540i/FRs_zpsa6e8aec4.jpg (http://s148.photobucket.com/user/djm540idjm540i/media/FRs_zpsa6e8aec4.jpg.html)

However for tack driving accuracy a Remington 700 does just fine.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s30/djm540idjm540i/.75%20MOA_zpsyqajiym7.jpg (http://s148.photobucket.com/user/djm540idjm540i/media/.75%20MOA_zpsyqajiym7.jpg.html)

Third shot dead center after using Kentucky windage to correct for the first 2 shoots.

Texgunner
December 23, 2015, 23:32
I am going to stay old-school and stick with my FR-8.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/f458de96eae6fbbb3cde7e2c1e3ef485/tumblr_nnoxo8ASQB1rwjpnyo1_500h.jpg

(photo not mine)

Ya beat me to it! Hard shooting little beasties, but I love mine. It has a bit of sluggish ejection though, might have to look into that one o' these days.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y292/Texgunner/07ab67d5.jpg (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/Texgunner/media/07ab67d5.jpg.html)

SAFN49
December 24, 2015, 00:41
The FR7/8 makes an excellent "platform" to launch adult lawn darts from. All they need is Raiderz stickers.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s30/djm540idjm540i/ADL1_zps3440501b.jpg (http://s148.photobucket.com/user/djm540idjm540i/media/ADL1_zps3440501b.jpg.html)

rcnpthfndr
December 24, 2015, 02:11
remington makes a SPS with a 16.5" barrel in 308 IIRC. I bought the one in 300BO with a 16.5" barrel.

I like savages too, find a cheap savage action on GB or somewhere and get a prefit barrel from shilen or McGowen and build exactly what you want.

Aeroscout
December 24, 2015, 05:09
I have a Savage 10 Patrol Carbine. It has a 20" barrel and the Accustock. I ditched the Accustock in favor of a Choate Tactical with aluminum bedding and an upgraded bolt handle. I shoot it suppressed, and I have to say that I am very happy with it. It shoots every bit as well as I can. I think I paid somewhere in the $600 range for it new, and stayed well under the $1000 mark with my changes.

That little 18" might be a little snappy with a naked muzzle, but I'm guessing you have a plan for that. :shades:

Yes....Yes I do. A buddy has a Weatherby like the one I listed above that has been cut down to 18.5 that is rather the spur of my interest here. I need to identify the brake he has on it (bought it from a pawn shop with brake already installed). It looks like a piece of pipe with some holes drilled in it, but man is that thing effective. Not only does it no longer kick (you can watch the deer drop through your scope whilst in the shot) but get this.......(call me crazy but I dun helt felt and smelt it myself).......the thing is shockingly QUIET.......as in it doesn't even make your ears ring firing it without any hearing protection at all.....call BS all you wish....it is the truth.....who would'a figured? It will leave you scratching your ass wondering WTF.....I want one.

I have the Mossberg MVP Predator in 7.62. Being able to take M14 or SR25 mags is great. The trigger is great. The action is sort of Rem 700ish, a long way from pre-64 Winchester smooth. Accuracy is so-so at best. I have probably 20 different loads through it. Most are 2-3 MOAish. For $500 I expected more.


At $219, the Savage Axis will out shoot it all day, every day, any load. The axis is lacking in the style points area though. Crappy trigger, crappy stock, crappy lines, crappy magazine... Huge value as a cheap rifle to throw in the truck or tractor.


I'd buy the MVP again, just on the novelty of the magazine, just wish they would have used a better barrel.

From my digging and your post, the mossberg is out of the running. I want to love it, I really do.......but kids from the cheap side of the tracks, that also fail to perform....well you know.

If the detachable mag is to be a big factor, I don't understand why one would choose bolt over AR-type semi in 2016.

With AR-type, you can have as nice a trigger as your wallet can bear.

Reliability and accuracy are on-par with any bolt gun.

In my mind, the ONLY practical reason for a bolt in 2016 is the trim lines of NO external mag.

Detachable standard capacity is all I really want, just for ease of reloading, but in actuality in all my years of hunting I have only emptied a full bolt gun (4 rounds) once (slayed some cow critters that day) so it is a desirable but not deal busting feature for me. I wouldn't mind a 10 round IF it was reliable and didn't cost a Benjammin each for extras.

I want......inexpensive......light, handy, and most of all accurate for deer shooting here in TX (I say deer shooting because that's what it is........freaking feeders, that shit is illegal as hell in OR). I don't really call it hunting so much as keeping my freezer full of meat. If I am going to shoot deer off of a feeder I figure I at least need to shoot them in the head and my FAL's or M14 just aren't accurate enough to do that with any consistency. Taking off ones jaw and have it run off would suck.

Correct me if I am wrong, but a fully equipt AR10 is going to be weighing well north of 10lbs is it not? We do some hiking in addition to the stand so lightweight is a nice attribute.

These little bolt carbines are just handy as hell in the small blind we use as well as riding in / swinging it out the window of the truck.....And yes I did say out the window of the truck........Its deer shooting....off a feeder.....give me no shit for popping walking freezer meat out the truck window.

I've retained my bolt action for one purpose - suppressed fire. It is quieter than a semi, by a substantial amount

Yes indeed I certainly agree.

But I am still wondering if it is enough quieter to make any practical difference on a supersonic cartridge.

In my opinion.....unless you only ever fire once.....no practical difference at all.......If it ain't subsonic I fail to see the point unless you are just trying to be non-gun enthusiast neighbor friendly or something along those lines.

I've been around the block one time on suppressed center fire.

Agree that fixed breech makes most sense for suppressed.
Unless you don't mid all that crap and gas puked back in your face, and into the innards of the rifle.

Only suppressed center fire design that impresses me now is big-bore subsonic in a fixed breech design at less than 100 yards. I see real utility in that for certain hunting/pest-management applications. For me personally, I'm not doing enough of that to warrant the $$$. I need a high-quality low-profile vehicle jack, and some spare cash to pay a helper, more than I need another use-only-a-few-times gadget-gun.

I already have a lifetime supply of ear plugs.

I agree with most of that but the fact that it is .308 makes it more practical for me as that is what ammo I have the most of. The rifle I am contemplating would be probably just as functional in a .300 BO/Whisper or such but the expense of another round, reloading gear and the like is just piling on the costs.

Also see the magic noise busting brake above as well as tinkering below....

You looking for a heavy barrel only? I'm partial to the FN/Winchester SPR and TSR.

For a sporter for I'd go Win featherweight compact, Tikka compact or CZ 557 short action. Some interesting aftermarket stock options now. I'd love to find a Tikka Battue Lite stateside.

For a tinkering rifle it's hard to beat the Savage. Not a fan of the extractor or feed tho.

I have looked at both but rather prefer the HB. Occasional deer shooting and paper punching at the range will be the primary purpose........And I do love to tinker......Like maybe a .300 BO/Whisper barrel and a can later on down the road.

STGThndr
December 25, 2015, 13:39
My 1972 BLR .308 has a 16 inch barrel. The cartridge really deserves a longer barrel and/or a flash suppressor, IMO. The muzzle blast is incredible compared to a longer tube, a lot of wasted energy there. Just too short for the surplus ammo I have often put thru it. It does kill deer and so forth, but time and experience has taught me to use a 20 inch or even a 24 inch with that round. Now I hunt with mil surps or a marlin 336RC .30-30... YMMV

ArtBanks
December 26, 2015, 05:24
FN-SPR is my choice in 20" barreled .308 rifles.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/nf1e/IMG_0321_zpsk6labvyb.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/nf1e/media/IMG_0321_zpsk6labvyb.jpg.html)

ARs are ok, but they leave a lot to be desired, in my book.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/nf1e/IMG_0641%202013_10_19%2018_37_59%20UTC_zpsvks4rnbb .jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/nf1e/media/IMG_0641%202013_10_19%2018_37_59%20UTC_zpsvks4rnbb .jpg.html)

Semper Fi
Art

Jarhead504
January 08, 2016, 18:50
The Weatherby Vanguard is a Howa barreled action made in Japan. IIRC. You might be able to find a regularly marked Howa for less. They are very accurate for the money.

Jarhead

Aeroscout
January 09, 2016, 22:09
The Weatherby Vanguard is a Howa barreled action made in Japan. IIRC. You might be able to find a regularly marked Howa for less. They are very accurate for the money.

Jarhead

I have been looking at the Howa's as well. They are right in the price zone I had been shooting for.

I am still on the fence and have had my interest piqued by this.....

http://www.cdnnsports.com/marlin-xs7-308-synthetic.html#.VpHK6FJ2E22

Its not exactly what I was looking for but pretty damn close, and for $250 why the hell not give it a shot?

pre1989
January 09, 2016, 23:26
CZ is importing a 16inch barrel ..Detacble mag 308 bolt gun ..Looks real nice should be hitting the shores soon

BUFF
January 10, 2016, 04:13
I built my Scout Rifle on a stainless steel, synthetic stocked Remington Model Seven. Even with the scope and leather 3 point Ching Sling it weighs under 7 pounds loaded with it's 20 inch barrel.

I iked it so much I bought a wood stocked Model Seven in .223.

Great triggers, great accuracy.

Aeroscout
January 13, 2016, 02:27
Well, I ended up going with the Marlin XS7 for $250. Figure I'll give it a shot. If it does well I'll keep it, if I don't like it I am sure I can sell it for what I paid and try another of the suggested specimens.

Thanks for ya'll's input.

Fn/form
January 16, 2016, 09:18
FN-SPR is my choice in 20" barreled .308 rifles.

http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x413/nf1e/IMG_0321_zpsk6labvyb.jpg (http://s1180.photobucket.com/user/nf1e/media/IMG_0321_zpsk6labvyb.jpg.html)

...

Semper Fi
Art


That's just secsy. Thread the barrel and that's my ideal. How do you like the TBM?

I'm trolling for a Tikka CTR/MDT LSS - XL combo these days... but that A1a is calling my name.

ArtBanks
January 16, 2016, 12:06
That's just secsy. Thread the barrel and that's my ideal. How do you like the TBM?

I'm trolling for a Tikka CTR/MDT LSS - XL combo these days... but that A1a is calling my name.

Thanks.
The TBMs are working fine for me. I have 4 10 rnd and 1 5 rnd mags and they all work flawlessly. I wish I could say that for conversion metal on other weapons.

Art

raubvogel
January 17, 2016, 12:28
Do let us know what kind of results you got on this Marlin XS7

Aeroscout
January 17, 2016, 12:35
Do let us know what kind of results you got on this Marlin XS7

Wilco :thumbsup: :highpower: