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aquaman
November 20, 2015, 20:18
I got married last spring and a very fine 6 year old boy was included in the deal. He's rather small for his age but we've been working with my trusty Crossman 760 Pumpmaster and he's learning basic skills. I can't believe that old Pumpmaster is still functional. I suppose the longevity is partially due to a good design but I'd like to think it's also a result of my father's training regarding care and respect for firearms.

Anyway.... Santa has a Youth 22lr on the boy's Christmas list this year. I was hoping for model suggestions from the FAL Files. You guys always have great advice :bow:

Like I said, the boy is small for his age. We were in Walmart and I asked the store clerk to let us try a "Cricket" for fit. She looked aghast that I would let a boy of his age handle a rifle :confused: Typical Walmart nonsense but I won't be buying at Walmart

Here's what I'm thinking:
Open sights
Youth size stock
Single shot or bolt action (I think CZ makes a single shot converter)
Budget under $600 (Sling, Ammo, extra mags)

Tuhlmann
November 20, 2015, 20:50
I bought my son a Savage Rascal when he was 5. It is a slick little single shot bolt gun that was sized right for him and still is as an 8 year old. Has a rear aperature sight, which I think is ideal for teaching fundamentals and is the correct sight picture for transitioning into "bigger boy" rifles down the road. Little thing is as accurate as you will ever need it to be, and the trigger is an Accutrigger, so you can start heavy for added safety and adjust down as his confidence and proficiency improve. It's also drilled and tapped if optics are ever needed. All that and though I can't remember offhand what I paid for it I'm thinking it was in the $150 range...he's a lefty so I got a LH birch stocked version, so a composite RH version may be even less.

FWIW, I looked at several "youth" rifles, and most of them felt like cheap crap, especially the triggers and safeties, and rough bolts. The Savage's fit and finish is on par with their adult rifles in my case. Good luck in your search, no better way to Set the pace for a rewarding relationship with your new son!

arashi
November 20, 2015, 21:45
Savage Rascal - well made, feed ramp, cocks on opening.

I'd previously bought a cricket. Separate cocking that is difficult. No feedramp, so very hard to get round in chamber. Lower standard of fit and finish.

Bruce Allen
November 21, 2015, 00:06
Consider a Chipmunk Rifle. They have been around for 30 years or more.
The Cricket is very similar in size and is a single shot 22lr.

The Chipmunk stocks are wood or now laminate.
Mine is walnut stock and blue steel and is quite handsome and accurate.

http://www.chipmunkrifles.com/chipmunk_rifles.php

I bought one for my oldest son (who is now 40) when he was 6 or 7 and it fit him perfectly.
Used it to teach the youngest son, and then loaned it to my next oldest brother to teach his two boys and finally it was used to teach the grand daughter I have custody of .. and have two more grand kids that need teaching. It looks almost as good as the day it was bought.

http://custom-rifles.com/images/image004_026.jpg

douglas
November 21, 2015, 11:23
I bought two Crickets for my children. They have a rear peep sight system which works well for teaching young children proper sight alignment. They love shooting them. One is pink and the other is a brown camo. My girl is the eldest of the pair and had her pink Cricket before my son got on scene.

If I had to do it again, I'd probably go with the the current Savage Youth model. The better trigger would be the only selling point.

SteelonSteel
November 21, 2015, 12:17
The old marlin 25y was a good little .22 rifle.

A new rifle that has the old quality is the CZ scout. It comes with a single shot adaptor but you can slide it out and insert a 5 or 10 round magazine in its place. Open rear sight with a decent elevator setup. Front sight is a stout dovetailed post and there is a removable sight hood over it. Safety is a wing safety like on ruger 77/22 similar to the Winchester model 70 style but is only a 2 position, not a three position. It also is opposite in direction to most US safeties but is a solid safety. ETA- The trigger was good out of the factory but is adjustable. I adjusted the one I have down a bit but not anything that would be too light for a novice. It came from the factory probably around 5.5 lbs which is too much for a small kid to not cause a yank. They adjust pretty easy, take the stock off and adjust the lock nut kinda like on a model 70.

The stock is similar in size to the old marlin youth. The crickets I believe are smaller but also sooner out grown.

They're very well made and run around $280 but are head and heels over some of the plasticy rubbish made today.

ALL FAL
November 21, 2015, 18:05
Consider a Chipmunk Rifle. They have been around for 30 years or more.
The Cricket is very similar in size and is a single shot 22lr.

The Chipmunk stocks are wood or now laminate.
Mine is walnut stock and blue steel and is quite handsome and accurate.

http://www.chipmunkrifles.com/chipmunk_rifles.php

I bought one for my oldest son (who is now 40) when he was 6 or 7 and it fit him perfectly.
Used it to teach the youngest son, and then loaned it to my next oldest brother to teach his two boys and finally it was used to teach the grand daughter I have custody of .. and have two more grand kids that need teaching. It looks almost as good as the day it was bought.

http://custom-rifles.com/images/image004_026.jpg


Great quality eh Bruce?, I know Jim Thompson of Chipmunk arms, folks that back up their product. Oregon made and I understand a few other states are involved in the production now too. Most Chipmunks are destined to be family heirlooms. ;)

Bruce Allen
November 21, 2015, 20:34
I know the one I bought is of very high quality.

A year after purchasing it my oldest son (who was about 8 or 9) and I went to Camp Old Indian - a Boy Scout Camp.
Part if the activities was a rifle range, complete with some worn but decent quality beginner grade target rifles (I wonder if this course has been discontinued now).
My son fired thru with their rifle and then again with his Chipmunk and fired the overall High Score with the Chipmunk.
Because of my background I was asked to be the RO over the range that week and had a good time with the kids..

Sigh - those were some really good times in my life..

Dazed and Confused
November 22, 2015, 00:27
I have an original Chipmunk made in Prospect, Oregon and a newer Savage Rascal.

I have to admit the Rascal is the better rifle on many levels.

Guy-epic
November 22, 2015, 14:04
The Target Master .22 by Remington has been great to me. I know I plan on teaching my son with one. I find them used for under $100. I love the old single shot

Bruce Allen
November 22, 2015, 15:54
To clarify from the different posts here:
Rifles like the Crickett, Chipmunk and Rascal are for kids as beginners rifles because the rifles are so small - from what I can tell all three rifles are less than 32" long overall and about 2.5 lbs..
I am thinking generally kids below the age of 8 with these rifles.

The other rifles spoken of are longer and heavier and more suitable for taller and older kids.
For kids 8 and older?

Does that sound about right?

Guy-epic
November 22, 2015, 18:44
To clarify from the different posts here:
Rifles like the Crickett, Chipmunk and Rascal are for kids as beginners rifles because the rifles are so small - from what I can tell all three rifles are less than 32" long overall and about 2.5 lbs..
I am thinking generally kids below the age of 8 with these rifles.

The other rifles spoken of are longer and heavier and more suitable for taller and older kids.
For kids 8 and older?

Does that sound about right?

That would be true if your son wasn't like mine which at age 4 is the height of a 6 year old almost a seven year old. With the strength of it to go with it. Kid is going to be a beast in a few years

J. Armstrong
November 22, 2015, 19:55
I can't claim any direct experience with the youth rifles, but FWIW I recently picked up a CZ 452 and I think the fit and finish are exceptionally good, even more so considering the reasonable price.

I've enjoyed quite a few Savages over the years, they were also all very nice rifles.

If I were in your position, I believe I would strongly favor the Rascal.

longhair51
November 24, 2015, 18:53
I have taken many a squirrel with an Ithaca m49. It's a tilting block single shot .22 that looks like a small Winchester 94. I gave it to my son, and he is now teaching my grandson to use it. It's a great boys rifle.

Bruce Allen
November 24, 2015, 18:59
That would be true if your son wasn't like mine which at age 4 is the height of a 6 year old almost a seven year old. With the strength of it to go with it. Kid is going to be a beast in a few years

Good luck when he hits 16.. I have one just like him and he is now 606 and 400lbs.

Tuhlmann
November 24, 2015, 20:17
I have taken many a squirrel with an Ithaca m49. It's a tilting block single shot .22 that looks like a small Winchester 94. I gave it to my son, and he is now teaching my grandson to use it. It's a great boys rifle.

I have one of those too. That is another good choice, and if I remember mine is a real tack driver!

Invictus77
November 24, 2015, 20:41
The Target Master .22 by Remington has been great to me. I know I plan on teaching my son with one. I find them used for under $100. I love the old single shot

^^^^^^

First shot I ever fired was from a Rem 510 Targetmaster with my maternal Grandpa. It, along with a falling block 22 that came from my paternal Grandpa are now sitting in a display stand in my office. The stand was a Christmas gift from my two oldest grandsons :biggrin::biggrin:

You indeed can find these for a $100-ish and make a great first shooter. Size is OK for most 8 y/o and up kids.

Bruce Allen
November 25, 2015, 10:39
.... It, along with a falling block 22 that came from my paternal Grandpa are now sitting in a display stand in my office. The stand was a Christmas gift from my two oldest grandsons :biggrin::biggrin:

You indeed can find these for a $100-ish and make a great first shooter. Size is OK for most 8 y/o and up kids.
No way!!
I was taught to shoot on a Remington rolling block 22 with a shortened stock. It had a really narrow blade front sight and about a 2lb trigger..

Invictus77
November 25, 2015, 10:51
No way!!


WAY !


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