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TXBossJ
October 31, 2015, 22:59
Bought a new PTR 91 GI for for around 900 with tax. Serial GI77XX. Have 1000k round of Tulammo that I won't shoot in my FAL. Will see how this thing works out with around 400 rounds per range time. Purchased SEF lower, wood furniture, 15 steel mags ranging from 1963 to 1972.

Plan to burn this thing up and see how it does.

Edit quote:
First impressions, it is an effective design. Charging handle is little difficult. I usually charge the weapon around 5k time prior to range time since they are usually stiff.

I will want to replace charging handle with a larger handle at some time. Not a priority. ~$50

Furniture is entry level (expected). The skinny OD green hand guards do have heat shields.

I purchased replacement wood front and back stock and also replacing the plastic trigger to metal and the grip to surplus.

Surplus wood handgrips don't seem to be an option besides new RTG new?

Conelrad
November 01, 2015, 09:01
1...There are no surplus wooden grips...never produced for the military.

2...Hook your sling in the hole in the charging handle. Instant big thing to yank on easily. It will not interfere with the lockup, and makes shooting prone a lot easier.

3...If you have the bolt carrier/bolt out and snap them into lock outside the rifle, just insert the whole thing in the receiver backwards and it will pop open.

DDG

hkshooter
November 01, 2015, 09:13
Using Tul steel case 308 is a bad idea if you value your rifle and fingers. Look around, plenty of info here on it.

mp
November 01, 2015, 15:43
Steel case ammo in a fluted barrel is bad news especially if the Tula is lacquered.

hansellhd
November 02, 2015, 11:52
I don't recommend Steel case but the rifle will handle it, after you shoot most of it up replace with this.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/308-762x51-ammo/960-round-case-762x51-nato-146-grain-fmj-hirtenberger-surplus-ammo-1970s-vin

This is what it was designed to shoot, works well in the FAL also. Go WooD!

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN3197_zps6b5ypldc.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN3197_zps6b5ypldc.jpg.html)
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wanneroo
November 02, 2015, 13:24
Yes if you are going to shoot Tulammo you may as well get the Hirtenberger. I love it. Hopefully I can make some money this winter to load in another big lot of it before it all goes away.

TXBossJ
November 02, 2015, 14:33
hansellhd:

Thats an awesome looking rifle. My wood furniture was delivered today. I hope the wood isn't too dinged up. I'm going to refinish it anyway.

Cornpone
November 03, 2015, 11:56
Steel case ammo in a fluted barrel is bad news especially if the Tula is lacquered.

There is nothing wrong with lacquered ammo. The lacquer doesn't melt off the case, that's a myth.

TXBossJ
November 03, 2015, 13:11
Ordered some Hirtenberger. .5208 cents per round. Awesome tip!

hansellhd
November 03, 2015, 14:54
hansellhd:

Thats an awesome looking rifle. My wood furniture was delivered today. I hope the wood isn't too dinged up. I'm going to refinish it anyway.

Thanks, I do a simple wipe down with acetone then 1 or 2 applications of BLO.

Black Blade
November 03, 2015, 16:49
Looking to run some ZQI ammo through mine when I get a chance.

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/7b136a27169fd87bc055d1ffbd9fd9ccb8d8dcd5_r.jpg

For the price the PTR91 is a good deal.

TXBossJ
November 04, 2015, 19:58
I was looking at the ZQ ammo too. I'm pretty well set on ammo now. I have about 1300 GGG too. It ran great in my FAL and I like the ammo cans. I wish I would have seen the 720 rounds of Hertsburger ammo that comes in a wood ammo crate. That would have come in handy.

hkshooter
November 04, 2015, 20:37
There is nothing wrong with lacquered ammo. The lacquer doesn't melt off the case, that's a myth.

Tried to run Wolf through an MP5, didn't finish the mag. Had to clean the rifle to make it work again.

Black Blade
November 04, 2015, 20:58
Come to think of it I have some Herters steel-cased ammo as well. Also have some Radway Green and German DAG and MEN battle packs I scored a few years ago. Might not dig into those because I have quite a bit of ZQ1 ammo that is available now. I think the PTR and HK can handle just about all of it with no issues.

Conelrad
November 05, 2015, 14:23
Turkish, if anyone needed to know.

Their rifle is/was the G3, so it is tailored for such. NATO spec loading, just without the symbol on the head for import (probably).

I've run a lot of it thru both my HK91 and my 50:00 FAL, just right every time.

Reloadable, as well.....:angel:

Dennis

Cornpone
November 05, 2015, 16:50
Tried to run Wolf through an MP5, didn't finish the mag. Had to clean the rifle to make it work again.

Well I can guarantee the lacquer didn't melt off the cases. It's been proven over and over that it doesn't melt. I'm not going to argue with you because it's a proven fact the same as keeping mags loaded does not wear out the spring.

hansellhd
November 05, 2015, 19:54
Well I can guarantee the lacquer didn't melt off the cases. It's been proven over and over that it doesn't melt. I'm not going to argue with you because it's a proven fact the same as keeping mags loaded does not wear out the spring.

Never say never, German (WW2) lacquered steel case ammo was known to jam up in MG42/34 machine guns after getting hot. That being said the new russian production stuff will run in all my G3 style rifles, just not all that accurate.

I generally run steel case in my ak's and run the Brass in my G3/FAL/M14 rifles.

TXBossJ
November 05, 2015, 22:01
I'm looking for a recoil pad for the wood stock. I've only found E and L Manufacturing (small recoil pad), but their website is a bit antiquated on ordering.

Is there any others?

I may take to McBrides in Austin and have them form a limb saver pad if not.

DelawareTacticalDynamics
November 08, 2015, 16:50
Hansellhd can you see through the irons with the cheek riser?

TXBossJ
November 11, 2015, 14:38
Update: I went to range and put about 200 rounds through it. This one doesn't need a recoil pad. I was pretty smooth and windage is perfect.

My elevation is about 2 feet low at 100 yards though. I need to get the sight tool.

Eyeguy
November 11, 2015, 15:07
I bought a case of the Hirt a couple of months ago. Every round went bang and grouped as well in my FAL's as any factory match I've tried

I don't recommend Steel case but the rifle will handle it, after you shoot most of it up replace with this.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/308-762x51-ammo/960-round-case-762x51-nato-146-grain-fmj-hirtenberger-surplus-ammo-1970s-vin

This is what it was designed to shoot, works well in the FAL also. Go WooD!

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN3197_zps6b5ypldc.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN3197_zps6b5ypldc.jpg.html)
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TXBossJ
November 11, 2015, 18:00
I had one TulAmmo that didn't fire and it was the first.

Recycled the round after a few mags and it fired.

I used all surplus mags. $3 each. Out of 15 one was bad so far.

MACV
December 02, 2015, 16:14
I don't recommend Steel case but the rifle will handle it, after you shoot most of it up replace with this.

http://www.sgammo.com/product/308-762x51-ammo/960-round-case-762x51-nato-146-grain-fmj-hirtenberger-surplus-ammo-1970s-vin

This is what it was designed to shoot, works well in the FAL also. Go WooD!

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN3197_zps6b5ypldc.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN3197_zps6b5ypldc.jpg.html)
PTR91K
Hans, how do you like that Lucid scope? I have one on a AR. I think it's a decent scope for the money.

Kingtubby
December 02, 2015, 16:36
Tried to run Wolf through an MP5, didn't finish the mag. Had to clean the rifle to make it work again.

This has been my experience with tula steel in blowback rifles. Never had a casehead separate like weve seen many times in fals. Dont think that will happen unless you gum up the flutes so bad the thing fails to cycle and you keep ******* with it till a head blows out.

hansellhd
December 05, 2015, 16:53
Hans, how do you like that Lucid scope? I have one on a AR. I think it's a decent scope for the money.

I like it however it's not a scope it's a Red Dot. I am thinking of replacing it with the Lucid x4 Scope.

http://www.mylucidgear.com/p74x.php

TXBossJ
December 05, 2015, 19:52
I'm on the list for the wood handgrip. They are difficult to find at the moment. Looks awesome with the wood furniture stock.

TXBossJ
February 03, 2016, 16:28
Wood grips are back in stock. Got mine :)

MJ1
February 03, 2016, 20:12
Wood grips are back in stock. Got mine :)

Can we see this rifle ? A target ? Some fired cases ?

CAVIM brass after six reloads

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/DSCF0093_zps73d11901.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/db3319d8.jpg

Good Luck
..:winner:..

SteyrAUG
February 08, 2016, 02:42
1...There are no surplus wooden grips...never produced for the military.

2...Hook your sling in the hole in the charging handle. Instant big thing to yank on easily. It will not interfere with the lockup, and makes shooting prone a lot easier.

3...If you have the bolt carrier/bolt out and snap them into lock outside the rifle, just insert the whole thing in the receiver backwards and it will pop open.

DDG

1. I do believe one vintage G3 with a black, wooden grip. I'd have to check.

2. If you understand how to break (unlock) the rollers correctly this setup isn't really necessary. From prone I can actually charge the rifle with one index finger, weak hand.

3. The bolt backwards is a bad idea for a stamped receiver, eventually you ramp open the back of your receiver and stock start to have problems fitting correctly. If you lock a bolt, it's nothing a simple pair of pliers and a thick cloth can't fix.

Cornpone
February 08, 2016, 16:27
If you lock a bolt, it's nothing a simple pair of pliers and a thick cloth can't fix.

There is no need for any tools to unlock the bolt if you lock it by accident outside of the rifle. I learned how to unlock a G3 bolt a long time ago but instead of trying to explain it I'll let this Gentleman's video show you.

http://youtu.be/vzi1t5i95CQ

I can't embed the video for some reason.

Conelrad
February 08, 2016, 19:33
Are all fine & well.

Usually, the inconvenient act is having to disassemble the gun in the field for whatever reason. Got those tools in your pocket? Even a rag for you finger?

Probably not...:whistling:

Handling a greasy bolt carrier is no fun, so using the gun as the tool is most expedient and handy.

Having shot the same gun for almost 40 years and never 'belling' the rear end makes that concern silly.

This trick and the sling in the charging handle came to me via a retired Bundeswehr colonel, so I guess that is the 'army' way.

D

TXBossJ
February 14, 2016, 21:45
I got first stain coat on my hand grip (red oak).

Wife bought it for me for Valentines day over a month ago. The wood grips are sold out again. Probably be November till back in stock.

I did buy the extended charging handle, but my pin is not completely centered and won't come out.

greenman227
February 14, 2016, 22:34
1. I do believe one vintage G3 with a black, wooden grip. I'd have to check.

2. If you understand how to break (unlock) the rollers correctly this setup isn't really necessary. From prone I can actually charge the rifle with one index finger, weak hand.

3. The bolt backwards is a bad idea for a stamped receiver, eventually you ramp open the back of your receiver and stock start to have problems fitting correctly. If you lock a bolt, it's nothing a simple pair of pliers and a thick cloth can't fix.

I watched the video but I do not understand. What purpose is served by installing the bolt backwards?

HK91a3
February 14, 2016, 23:31
@greenman227. The "bolt backwards" is apparently a technique for unlocking the bolt if you accidentally lock it while it is out of the receiver (it cannot be Re-installed while locked).

The video technique (not well shown, IMHO) is to rotate bolt just <90 degrees counterclockwise, wiggle bolt out to unlock, as you Re-align latch so it rides on rear rim of bolt, rotate ~90 degrees clockwise, reinsert into receiver.

Don't need pliers (for sure). A rag may be optional (if you have delicate hands) :-)

ETA: just did this, and I *might* have delicate hands....

greenman227
February 15, 2016, 04:08
Thanks-at first it sounded like reversal was supposed to effect the reciever for some purpose.