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MilsurpMonkey
October 31, 2015, 12:17
Cleaning a few places in the gun room today and figured I'd share a few pieces. Top is a 3-45 Springfield with a 6-44 barrel, was a CMP service grade rebuilt some time in the late 40s judging by the parts used. The stock is a CMP walnut WWII profile. This is my shooter, and does very well with a TE-1 and a ME-.5. Next is a 1949 RIA rebuild of an 8-43 Springfield. ME-1 TE-2 it is a CMP service grade. Haven't shot it yet, but hope to take her along to the next range visit. Not sure how it ended up keeping its lockbar sights, but I'm glad it did. I love these old pingers.

http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj486/Milsurpmonkey/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151031_100801920_zps8nznm3gy.jpg

12v71
October 31, 2015, 15:14
Nice... As you know I'm just getting Garand-bola now, I'll be looking forward to seeing yours at the range when we get a chance. And I have Brush 511 to blame for making me shoot his Garand. :wink:

MilsurpMonkey
October 31, 2015, 15:32
You'll be buying m2 ball ammo by the bushel lol. Just remember not to put modern commercial ammo through it and you're golden. M2 ball spec is easy to find surplus, and I know privi, hornady, federal, they all load Garand spec 06. Or if you get adventurous, you can play with the adjustable gas plugs to shoot commercial stuff. They're a hoot

http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj486/Milsurpmonkey/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1440079697646_zpsyk0k6osj.jpg

12v71
November 12, 2015, 21:22
You'll be buying m2 ball ammo by the bushel lol. Just remember not to put modern commercial ammo through it and you're golden. M2 ball spec is easy to find surplus, and I know privi, hornady, federal, they all load Garand spec 06. Or if you get adventurous, you can play with the adjustable gas plugs to shoot commercial stuff. They're a hoot

http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj486/Milsurpmonkey/Mobile%20Uploads/FB_IMG_1440079697646_zpsyk0k6osj.jpg

My first 300 rounds of Privi showed up today. Now I gotta figure out how to load the damn clips. :facepalm: Then comes the fun part... Loading the rifle. I do have some expert instruction on the way this Saturday.

Invictus77
November 12, 2015, 22:22
Then comes the fun part... Loading the rifle. I do have some expert instruction on the way this Saturday.

Jam the loaded enbloc in with a little "authority" with your right thumb.

Then smack the bolt forward with the heel of your right hand.

I have heard the "Garand thumb" story a gazillion times but have never experienced or witnessed it and have shot hundreds if not thousands of rounds through multiple Garands.

YMMV, but I doubt it.....

12v71
November 12, 2015, 23:38
Jam the loaded enbloc in with a little "authority" with your right thumb.

Then smack the bolt forward with the heel of your right hand.

I have heard the "Garand thumb" story a gazillion times but have never experienced or witnessed it and have shot hundreds if not thousands of rounds through multiple Garands.

YMMV, but I doubt it.....

Well, I've loaded 15 clips with the help of 2 Bud lights. I figured out at number 7 make sure they're all bottomed out in the clip, then load number 8. As far as loading the clips in the rifle, I watched tdb59 shoot his at our last Wa. FAL shot and I think I have that down, So I'll find out Saturday. And "Garand thumb" I think that's from people messing with empty rifles. Yes mine almost got me. I've only been a garand guy since Tuesday. My BM59 is much simpler, rock, lock, and slingshot. just like a FAL. :wink:

tdb59
November 13, 2015, 00:34
I have owned and shot Garands since 1980, and never had any incident of thumb bite.


:shades:

Exit308
November 13, 2015, 01:02
I want a Garand, yeah, in 7.62mm.:wink:

tdb59
November 13, 2015, 01:13
I want a Garand, yeah, in 7.62mm.:wink:



:whiskey:



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12v71
November 13, 2015, 01:16
I have owned and shot Garands since 1980, and never had any incident of thumb bite.


:shades:

I was watching very closely when you were shooting yours and I think I got the idea. I'm sure Dave and Wayne can refresh my memory.

12v71
November 13, 2015, 01:19
I want a Garand, yeah, in 7.62mm.:wink:

Yeah, me too. I should have held out for a Danish 7.62, But this one was just too pretty to pass up.

Arby
November 13, 2015, 07:34
I figured out at number 7 make sure they're all bottomed out in the clip, then load number 8.

Also: it goes without saying that the high round in the clip when you are loading the rifle should always be to the right.

MilsurpMonkey
November 13, 2015, 23:33
Yeah, me too. I should have held out for a Danish 7.62, But this one was just too pretty to pass up.

Yeah, missed out on a Beretta .308 Garand by about 15 minutes on armslist, was bummed, but then I got the cmp service grade.

bubbagump
November 14, 2015, 08:00
Cleaning a few places in the gun room today and figured I'd share a few pieces. Top is a 3-45 Springfield with a 6-44 barrel, was a CMP service grade rebuilt some time in the late 40s judging by the parts used. The stock is a CMP walnut WWII profile. This is my shooter, and does very well with a TE-1 and a ME-.5. Next is a 1949 RIA rebuild of an 8-43 Springfield. ME-1 TE-2 it is a CMP service grade. Haven't shot it yet, but hope to take her along to the next range visit. Not sure how it ended up keeping its lockbar sights, but I'm glad it did. I love these old pingers.



Most of my stock guns have lockbars on 'em. I like them because they are easy to adjust while you're in the rifle and positive. I will concede they are a bit slower to manage.

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Also: it goes without saying that the high round in the clip when you are loading the rifle should always be to the right.

I would challenge that. My rifles don't care. If anyone has an engineering reason for this I'm all ears but in my experience I have found that this does not matter. Unless you are managing the Shlomo reload in which case a little extra height on the right side helps.

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Arby
November 14, 2015, 09:39
I would challenge that. My rifles don't care. If anyone has an engineering reason for this I'm all ears but in my experience I have found that this does not matter. Unless you are managing the Shlomo reload in which case a little extra height on the right side helps.

Not an engineering reason but for generally safety. With the high round on the right you don't have to push your thumb as deep in the action or have it stretched farther across the action as you do if the round on the right is the lower one. Less chance of getting "M1 thumb".

MilsurpMonkey
November 14, 2015, 10:33
Not an engineering reason but for generally safety. With the high round on the right you don't have to push your thumb as deep in the action or have it stretched farther across the action as you do if the round on the right is the lower one. Less chance of getting "M1 thumb".

For the record, " Garand Thumb" is only to be had while fooling around with an empty rifle. While inserting a clip of ammunition into the action you cannot have your thumb in the way as your thumb and the top round cannot occupy the same space in front of the bolt at the same time.

MilsurpMonkey
November 14, 2015, 13:28
Plus, I think all Garand owners should have a 3 gun minimum :)

http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj486/Milsurpmonkey/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20150823_143747458_zps88ut0akm.jpg

douglas
November 14, 2015, 15:12
Way to go! Three U.S. Model of 1917 stacked !
Do you have one of each manufacturer , Winchester, Remington, and Eddystone ?
They are excellent rifles, my Winchester is a pussy cat to shoot compared to my Remington 1903A3.
The Garands are nice too.

bubbagump
November 14, 2015, 16:06
Plus, I think all Garand owners should have a 3 gun minimum :)



I find this hilarious because this is precisely the reason I gave the wife unit when I bought my third one ...

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MilsurpMonkey
November 14, 2015, 16:20
Just can't have one without the two others :angel: and yes, the M1917s are a trio, all original bolts actions and barrels. I think all 3 are mostly correct except for the Winchester having an Eddystone stock. The Remington and Winchester are both Danish returns, the Eddystone is a WWII rebuild that has the inspection stamp of Elmer Kieth. All Eddystone parts, only a few are parked so it did have some work done, but not much.

bubbagump
November 14, 2015, 16:38
Not an engineering reason but for generally safety. With the high round on the right you don't have to push your thumb as deep in the action or have it stretched farther across the action as you do if the round on the right is the lower one. Less chance of getting "M1 thumb".

Perhaps, but if you load an enblock correctly it cannot happen in any case. If you use the traditional method the knife-edge of your right hand engages the op rod handle and if it accidently releases due to a worn this or that, it will be caught. Likewise if you use the 'from under' Shlomo reload method the index side of your hand will engage the op rod handle, and as in the traditional method, will capture the op rod should it release prematurely.

Perhaps if you have really small hands there may be some value to it, but my hands are on the smallish side and I have no trouble either way. Ymmv.

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Arby
November 14, 2015, 20:41
For the record, " Garand Thumb" is only to be had while fooling around with an empty rifle.

There are differences of opinion on that. There are those who support your contention (and I think that the case is well made, for the most part, but not entirely and for all circumstances). And there are those who say otherwise, including Scott Duff in his "The M1 Garand: Owner's Guide", pg. 36. Another supporter of the "can happen" case is here:

http://www.m1-garand-rifle.com/loading/

My initial post in this thread was just to suggest to 12v71, in case he was not already aware, that loading clips with the high round on the right makes for an easier loading sequence for Garand shooters. Particularly if you are right-handed.

If you use the traditional method the knife-edge of your right hand engages the op rod handle and if it accidently releases due to a worn this or that, it will be caught. Likewise if you use the 'from under' Shlomo reload method the index side of your hand will engage the op rod handle, and as in the traditional method, will capture the op rod should it release prematurely.

The traditional technique you describe is what I have always employed. As for Shlomo's technique, I wish I would have had the opportunity to have had him share it with me. That is an opportunity that I will never have, unfortunately. If you had the privilege, I'm glad to hear of it. I am confident that his influence is still bearing fruit on this website, and others.

His departure was truly untimely and sad in that regard. But his legacy is bountiful and quite remarkable. I hope that he is celebrated for a long, long time.

bubbagump
November 15, 2015, 07:04
The traditional technique you describe is what I have always employed. As for Shlomo's technique, I wish I would have had the opportunity to have had him share it with me. That is an opportunity that I will never have, unfortunately. If you had the privilege, I'm glad to hear of it. I am confident that his influence is still bearing fruit on this website, and others.

His departure was truly untimely and sad in that regard. But his legacy is bountiful and quite remarkable. I hope that he is celebrated for a long, long time.

The Shlomo technique involves reloading the M1 while leaving the rifle in the shoulder. The right hand comes up and drops a new enblock in while capturing the op rod handle between the right thumb and the inside knife edge of the right hand. The enblock is driven home with the finger while the hand remains against the side of the rifle. Op rod is trapped between the right thumb and inside knife edge of the right hand. Once it engages the op rod is driven forward with the right thumb, which is already in position to do this. It's very fast but ya gotta have long arms to do it. I thought I had a video of it somewhere but can't lay my hands on it right now.

The first time he demonstrated this at the National Matches it raised more than a few eyebrows. The Hogs went on to win Garand class at the NTIT event that year, setting a record score which still stands today.

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ArtBanks
November 15, 2015, 08:18
50 years of shooting the M1 and many thousands of rnds down range. I am expecting, one of these days, to mash a body part. If it happens now I can use the excuse of old and stupid instead of young and stupid. Up to this point I guess I have been lucky.

Arby
November 15, 2015, 17:38
The Shlomo technique involves reloading the M1 while leaving the rifle in the shoulder. The right hand comes up and drops a new enblock in while capturing the op rod handle between the right thumb and the inside knife edge of the right hand. The enblock is driven home with the finger while the hand remains against the side of the rifle. Op rod is trapped between the right thumb and inside knife edge of the right hand. Once it engages the op rod is driven forward with the right thumb, which is already in position to do this. It's very fast but ya gotta have long arms to do it. I thought I had a video of it somewhere but can't lay my hands on it right now.


That's ingenious! Thanks for the explanation.

12v71
November 15, 2015, 23:28
Guys, I have to thank you all for your comments, as a newby Garand owner they all were a big help to me. Unfortunately my other half outshot me this weekend. One clipful she went 8 for 8 on 10" targets at 150 yards. :o And I couldn't get her to stop shooting the thing.:uhoh: I guess she'll be taking my place at next years fall FAL shoot.:D

Exit308
November 15, 2015, 23:49
Guys, I have to thank you all for your comments, as a newby Garand owner they all were a big help to me. Unfortunately my other half outshot me this weekend. One clipful she went 8 for 8 on 10" targets at 150 yards. :o And I couldn't get her to stop shooting the thing.:uhoh: I guess she'll be taking my place at next years fall FAL shoot.:D

Well then, you'll have more time for "administrative tasks" and making the coffee.:wink:

12v71
November 16, 2015, 00:01
Well then, you'll have more time for "administrative tasks" and making the coffee.:wink:
Thanks for the positive reinforcement, buddy. I still have a scope on the FAL.:D

tdb59
November 16, 2015, 00:17
Guys, I have to thank you all for your comments, as a newby Garand owner they all were a big help to me. Unfortunately my other half outshot me this weekend. One clipful she went 8 for 8 on 10" targets at 150 yards. :o And I couldn't get her to stop shooting the thing.:uhoh: I guess she'll be taking my place at next years fall FAL shoot.:D

The Coffee Vixen rocks !


:headbang:


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MilsurpMonkey
November 16, 2015, 10:04
The Coffee Vixen rocks !


:headbang:


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∆ this :biggrin: and I'm sure you'll figure out a sight solution that has ya ringin steel in no time

Reconinforce
November 17, 2015, 03:36
Careful as they grow out of control quickly!

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bubbagump
November 17, 2015, 09:58
Yeah, they do that.

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MilsurpMonkey
November 17, 2015, 10:41
I'll just be happy when I'm back to having 3 lol. In the process of buying an all correct late war NFR Garand to replace the June of 44 I sold earlier this year. Sure wish I hadn't of sold it, but it was necessary to buy a buddies preban Armscorp import argie para.

bubbagump
November 17, 2015, 12:55
I'll just be happy when I'm back to having 3 lol. In the process of buying an all correct late war NFR Garand to replace the June of 44 I sold earlier this year. Sure wish I hadn't of sold it, but it was necessary to buy a buddies preban Armscorp import argie para.

Yeah well a guy's gotta do what a guys gotta do. you can only shoot 'em one at a time anyway. I probably need a third one though, with only 8 I can't keep them all in stacks. I'm still laughing about that.

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Mark IV
November 19, 2015, 07:28
Jam the loaded enbloc in with a little "authority" with your right thumb.

Then smack the bolt forward with the heel of your right hand.

I have heard the "Garand thumb" story a gazillion times but have never experienced or witnessed it and have shot hundreds if not thousands of rounds through multiple Garands.

YMMV, but I doubt it.....

Man, I miss my M1. Shot it on a service rifle league years ago. What a beautiful weapon.

I have fallen victim to Garand thumb: It hurts ....... bad.

My uncle then showed me how to release a locked-back bolt:

1. Place the knife edge of your right hand into the op rod handle
2. Then with your right thumb push down the follower to unlock the bolt.
3. REMOVE THUMB.
4. Release op rod.