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hkshooter
June 17, 2015, 19:38
Eight hours ago we had a review thread about a disappointed customer of a popular member of the forum, calling into question the integrity and honesty of that member/service provider, where a large sum of money was involved.
Some serious shit, if I've ever seen it and the resultant investigation could have provided VERY important information to the rest of the forum membership at large.
And now the thread VANISHES??? WTF??

Someone can get banned over $51 and being a dick in general but someone else allegedly rips off a member for thousands of $$$$ and the shit gets swept under the rug????
I'm NOT very comfortable with this and I think an explanation to the forum membership is in order!!!

EPC WN
June 17, 2015, 19:40
Could be the OPer deleted it cuz he was satisfied by a resolution outside our purview. Maybe I'm an optimist?

thedrickel
June 17, 2015, 19:47
It was locked by WEG. OP could not have deleted it on his own without going through WEG at that point.

hkshooter
June 17, 2015, 19:49
Could be the OPer deleted it cuz he was satisfied by a resolution outside our purview. Maybe I'm an optimist?

Personally, if I raised as much hell as the OP did about the deal and then got a satisfactory resolution to said deal, I'd be all over MY thread touting the integrity of the offender and making it right. But all this and then *poof* nothing? Yeah, my balls are made of solid gold, too.

I appreciate your thought but I doubt that's the case.

hkshooter
June 17, 2015, 19:50
It was locked by WEG. OP could not have deleted it on his own without going through WEG at that point.

We can see locked threads. This one is gone.

nwobhm
June 17, 2015, 20:04
That was a big purchase.....would be nice to know the outcome.

Spenny
June 17, 2015, 20:04
I've been curious myself and trying to dig around to no avail. For all the caching Google does, it missed whatever went down.

My initial guess was that it was deleted until Randy could get a word in, so as to avoid the dogpiling that occurs.

But a deal of that size, with a long time member being called out, is certainly something I'd like to hear resolved one way or the other.

Hopefully it was resolved quietly and amicably, but that's a bit abrupt of a disappearance to be the case.

Cheers,

Spenny

hkshooter
June 17, 2015, 20:18
As far as I'm concerned the offender had the perfect opportunity and place to state his case, right here in the reviewers thread. "Waiting" on him to tell his side is no excuse for nuking the thread, facts and evidence are what they are. An appropriate answer or the revelation of appropriate positive action on the offender's part would be more than enough to stifle the "dog piling".

I want all to be right and good with all this, don't get me wrong. I want to continue to believe as I have for years that the offender is a stand up guy and super nice gentleman to deal with. That aside, if something has turned for the dark side then any one of the rest of us could be the next victim and the disappearance of the information provided in the thread is akin to good old Russian Gestapo SOP. I don't like it.

tac-40
June 17, 2015, 20:45
I read that thread earlier this afternoon and it was getting pretty nasty and looked like a dogpile was starting. I know that doesn't answer the question as to what happened to the thread, but I am pretty sure that a solution is being handled by the powers that be.

jugrunner
June 17, 2015, 20:45
shooter ... there's a firm possibility of a definite maybe that I was partially responsible for getting the thread locked and deleted ...


for those with a dog in the fight I apologize ... !!!

EPC WN
June 17, 2015, 20:53
It was locked by WEG. OP could not have deleted it on his own without going through WEG at that point.

I read it at lunch time. I didn't see it get locked up. It was definitely a popcorn thread.

NFADLR
June 17, 2015, 21:04
I notice that jugrunner started this thread in praise of this sledgehammer dood.

sledgehammer is da man ... !!!
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=387705

Im wondering if this past customer has been satisfied from his dispute with the man the OP is ringing the bell for!

Like Mark said people are banned around these parts for not being truthful in dealings with others.



While the thread is locked (read gone) for now Sledgehammer can pm weg to settle this dispute, I personally would think long and hard before I send someone business that does business in this manner!
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387852

hkshooter
June 17, 2015, 21:05
My feelings, as insignificant as they are to the board, are noted. I'm leaving alone the original situation and review because I have no dog in that fight. What I do have an interest in is the possibility of TPTB protecting someone who may be dangerous to the reputation of the board as well as the wallets of unsuspecting individuals. This board has always had a way of policing it's own and AFAIK is very reputable in the online community. It would be a shame to see that reputation soiled in the name of protecting, or backing down from, a dishonest member. I sincerely hope there's a happy ending to it all.

RG Coburn
June 17, 2015, 21:05
Just got in from mowing grass,wanted to see the fireworks...no show.
Oh,well. Lots of slings and arrows with only one side of the story presented.
Was this even a falfiles marketplace sale,or was poopy undies brought in from somewhere else?

meltblown
June 17, 2015, 21:21
Just got in from mowing grass,wanted to see the fireworks...no show.
Oh,well. Lots of slings and arrows with only one side of the story presented.
Was this even a falfiles marketplace sale,or was poopy undies brought in from somewhere else?

There was a WTB , yes it seems to have orginated here
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=386435

rbgonoles
June 17, 2015, 21:35
This crap certainly scares me as a new member. I actually just sent sledgehammer a rifle to work on yesterday, an hour or so before the thread started.

Invictus77
June 17, 2015, 21:58
As far as I'm concerned the offender had the perfect opportunity and place to state his case, right here in the reviewers thread. "Waiting" on him to tell his side is no excuse for nuking the thread, facts and evidence are what they are. An appropriate answer or the revelation of appropriate positive action on the offender's part would be more than enough to stifle the "dog piling".

I want all to be right and good with all this, don't get me wrong. I want to continue to believe as I have for years that the offender is a stand up guy and super nice gentleman to deal with. That aside, if something has turned for the dark side then any one of the rest of us could be the next victim and the disappearance of the information provided in the thread is akin to good old Russian Gestapo SOP. I don't like it.

^^^

The "charge" was very serious with apparent facts hard to argue with, but the defense had not yet replied. Innocent until proven guilty in my America.

The "accused" was a long term member with plenty positive reviews. I would have sent him a payment of any appropriate amount with no reservations.

IMHO - This should not be hidden without public resolution.

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NFADLR
June 17, 2015, 22:03
I 2nd the motion that this should not be hidden without public resolution.

But keep in mind I dont know you from adam so I cant say if you is or if you aint a HO.



IMHO - This should not be hidden without public resolution.

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Right Side Up
June 17, 2015, 22:45
My guess is Randy contacted WEG with his version of what happened and asked the thread be removed until everything is sorted out.

gates
June 17, 2015, 22:48
Hmm... Gary - seems like an explanation is in order, I've been here 20+ years and things like this don't just go away without some kind of explanation.

RSU you are probably correct but if that's the case management needs to say so, if they don't people will question what's going on here and that doesn't benefit any member of the FF.

Jaxxas
June 17, 2015, 22:58
shooter ... there's a firm possibility of a definite maybe that I was partially responsible for getting the thread locked and deleted ...


for those with a dog in the fight I apologize ... !!!


It all seemed rather tame......YMMV

gates
June 17, 2015, 23:01
We're talking a $10k deal here gents - not some mis-represented STG kit for $500...

Mebsuta
June 17, 2015, 23:59
That thread made me feel like something was wrong there, because the tone did not sound like the Sledgehammer we are familiar with.

One other thing, if I read it and am remembering correctly, but I thought teh rifel in question was said to be a bring-back, or battlefield pickup. To my knowledge, officially there are no bring-backs, from GWI, GWII, Afghanistan, Kosovo, etc or anything since GWI. If something did manage to be brought back, would it really change hands like that?

Jaxxas
June 18, 2015, 00:06
We're talking a $10k deal here gents - not some mis-represented STG kit for $500...


I thought it was like $5K, but still......

That thread made me feel like something was wrong there, because the tone did not sound like the Sledgehammer we are familiar with.

One other thing, if I read it and am remembering correctly, but I thought teh rifel in question was said to be a bring-back. To my knowledge, officially there are no bring-backs, from GWI, GWII, Afghanistan, Kosovo, etc or anything since GWI. If something did manage to be brought back, would it really change hands like that?


A friend of mine questioned the same, and somebody (dtrumpet?) actually mentioned the same in the thread. But I know F'all!

Mebsuta
June 18, 2015, 00:13
Jaxxas, I think I remember from that time of GWI, and from talking to people who were there, that as far as bring anything back, the answer was not only no, but hell no.

Of course, we read about unregistered MGs and stuff out there that turn up once in a while, but that's not something that would be bought or sold on the FAL Files.

gates
June 18, 2015, 00:41
The dollar amount is really irrelevant - if you rip someone off you are a shitbag whether its $500 or $10,000 -

andresere
June 18, 2015, 07:03
The dollar amount is really irrelevant - if you rip someone off you are a shitbag whether its $500 or $10,000 -

Gates, the only thing I would add to that it is it wouldn't matter if you were a new guy or a long term member either. Well said.

RG Coburn
June 18, 2015, 07:05
The thing is;we heard from only one side,and saw only messages posted by one side. Some members came on with some colorful comments. Maybe should have held these back until all the facts were out.
What WEG did might have diffused a total $hitbomb from splattering everybody in the thread.
We're big boys here. We should act like big boys,and take responsibility like big boys. That includes using time-tested methods of purchase AND selling,and using common sense.

andresere
June 18, 2015, 07:13
So a moderator couldn't just say STFU until we hear from the other party and lock it? You're right - we are big boys here. So why disappear it? This doesn't bode well for being open and honest, does it? Just my opinion. :whistling:

gunplumber
June 18, 2015, 07:25
We're talking a $10k deal here gents - not some mis-represented STG kit for $500...

The dollar amount is really irrelevant - if you rip someone off you are a shitbag whether its $500 or $10,000 -

Sledgehammer lied about the condition to cheat the buyer. As I pointed out previously, the only defense could have been that Miner photoshopped the screen shots of Sledgehammers's PMs, or faked the pictures. What are the odds of that? Sledgehammer has been hoist by his own petard.

Does it matter if it was $1 and not $10,000? And what is the consequence for lying and cheating in the FalFiles marketplace? Or rather, what would the consequences have been for a new member like Miner, were the roles reversed?

Sledgehammer needs to suffer the same consequences for being a liar and a cheat, as anyone else would.






You have StG Kits for $500?

miner1426
June 18, 2015, 07:32
Hi everyone, thought I might clear the air here. I emailed sledgehammer one last time yesterday afternoon. He has given me his word he will make the situation right, with a partial refund, and I will keep the rifle. One of the conditions was to delete the thread, which is meaningless now anyways.

gunplumber
June 18, 2015, 07:39
He has given me his word

Which is worth what?

4duece
June 18, 2015, 07:56
Jaxxas, I think I remember from that time of GWI, and from talking to people who were there, that as far as bring anything back, the answer was not only no, but hell no.

Of course, we read about unregistered MGs and stuff out there that turn up once in a while, but that's not something that would be bought or sold on the FAL Files.

You are correct, The only thing we were allowed to bring back was a bayonet. Or canteens and web gear and helmets.NO GUNS! Period.:wink::fal:

MAINER
June 18, 2015, 08:21
This crap certainly scares me as a new member. I actually just sent sledgehammer a rifle to work on yesterday, an hour or so before the thread started.

I can understand your anxiety, but think you'll be fine. Straight forward gun work is one thing, horse trading is another.
More negative vibes on the Files is not in the vender's best interest. :hammering:

Right Side Up
June 18, 2015, 08:23
Officers don't get searched as often. Lots of stuff has come back in their duffle bags.

sledgehammer
June 18, 2015, 10:13
Which is worth what?

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/itrader.php?u=786

Why don't you mind your own fuking business you sniveling little bitch!

gunplumber
June 18, 2015, 10:30
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/itrader.php?u=786

Why don't you mind your own fuking business you sniveling little bitch!


You're the one who blatantly lied about a rifle's condition, cheated the customer; and then when you were exposed, made hiding the overwhelming evidence of your behavior a condition of "making it right."

So who is the sniveling little bitch?

nwobhm
June 18, 2015, 10:34
Hi everyone, thought I might clear the air here. I emailed sledgehammer one last time yesterday afternoon. He has given me his word he will make the situation right, with a partial refund, and I will keep the rifle. One of the conditions was to delete the thread, which is meaningless now anyways.

Thanks for the update.

NFADLR
June 18, 2015, 11:13
Ditto Mark...BTW I might not remember this scumbags name in a year or more when he may have something Im interested in but I put him on my ignore list now, no matter what he is trying to pedal I dont see it so I wont have to worry about getting ripped off by him at least.

I suggest others feel free to follow this example.



You're the one who blatantly lied about a rifle's condition, cheated the customer; and then when you were exposed, made hiding the overwhelming evidence of your behavior a condition of "making it right."

So who is the sniveling little bitch?

sledgehammer
June 18, 2015, 11:28
You're the one who blatantly lied about a rifle's condition, cheated the customer; and then when you were exposed, made hiding the overwhelming evidence of your behavior a condition of "making it right."

So who is the sniveling little bitch?

I think that any one that knows either one of us personally knows the answer to your question.

EPC WN
June 18, 2015, 11:47
Post 2 for the win! The buyer is satisfied.

gunplumber
June 18, 2015, 12:11
I think that any one that knows either one of us personally knows the answer to your question.

I know the measure of a man, isn't in feet and inches.

jugrunner
June 18, 2015, 12:48
I know the measure of a man, isn't in feet and inches.


as the #1 Drama Queen on the files I really doubt you know much at all about being a "man" ... :rolleyes:

gunplumber
June 18, 2015, 13:33
as the #1 Drama Queen on the files I really doubt you know much at all about being a "man" ... :rolleyes:

Go f-ck yourself, troll.

hkshooter
June 18, 2015, 13:35
This isn't a sledgehammer vs gunplumber thread so lets stop right here and now or I'll delete it myself.
Randy has made his customer happy, fine.
The rest can remain documented in an abbreviated form here in this thread for future reference or it can be nuked with the other, more fact filled thread. The choice is up to readers.

Nuttz
June 18, 2015, 13:44
...a sledgehammer vs gunplumber thread...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-W58CgBQlZoM/Tb6ip3KZsyI/AAAAAAAAitE/jn_mTfZQHTc/s400/Animated+011.gif

nwobhm
June 18, 2015, 13:51
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