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Incognito
June 16, 2015, 22:24
I think I want to build an HK type. Right now G3 kits are a bit pricey and hard to find. However I can pick up a CETME kit at a very reasonable price. I understand that there are components that are not interchangeable. I think all I really care about is that I can use HK G3 mags and I do want to install the G3 rear sight. Are there other considerations that I am overlooking? I am familiar with the HK series of weapons but not proficient so I'm just starting to think this through. If I understand correctly, the FCG parts are not interchangeable. That could prove to be a problem if I decide to replace them with US made parts for compliance with that ridiculous 922r crap. Unless someone makes US made CETME FCG parts?

I guess I just need some advice as to whether I am going to run into problems if I start with a CETME kit over a G3 kit. Thanks.

AliYahu
June 16, 2015, 22:53
http://www.gunsnorthwest.com/CETME-fcg-us-made-combo-cetme5.htm

Eli

Bubacus
June 17, 2015, 06:03
While I always liked the HK91...I now have an apprication for the CETME. I love mine...the wood furniture has grown on me...These are nicer than what I have, but it shows you can make an old battle rifle shine again!

http://images39.fotki.com/v1224/photos/4/47955/644823/CETME_left-vi.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b4/25/1c/b4251c659e0e43df9784d35119f58c59.jpg

AGG
June 17, 2015, 09:10
Just get a PTR!!! :)

Tony

Incognito
June 17, 2015, 17:19
http://www.gunsnorthwest.com/CETME-fcg-us-made-combo-cetme5.htm

Eli

Thanks!

Incognito
June 17, 2015, 17:19
Just get a PTR!!! :)

Tony

The whole purpose is to build it myself. The rifle will mean a lot more to me if I do it myself. I'm looking forward to the project.

jtscuba02
June 17, 2015, 17:40
Have you bought your kit yet? I recently got one from Apex, along with the barrel, and it was in pretty good shape. The bolt head had no grinding on it. The barrels are Green Mountain and the flutes are done. I know some time ago SARCO was selling barrels that were not fluted. Overall, the kit is good shape and reasonably priced.

andresere
June 17, 2015, 19:46
This used to be on RTG's webpage.


Cetme - HK G3 Compatibility page!
(are HK parts a match for your Cetme?)
YES, the below HK parts will work perfect on a Cetme
Barrels Yes
Barrel Retainer Pins Yes
Firing Pin Yes*
Spring, for firing pin Yes*
Rollers Yes
+2, +4 Rollers Yes
Retainer Plate and Roll Pin Retainer for Rollers Yes
Extractor Yes*
Extractor Spring Yes*
Recoil Spring Yes*
Backplate or Complete recoil Assembly Yes with minor fitting to the plastic sleeve at the end of the spring guide rod
Complete Stock set Yes with minor fitting to the plastic sleeve at the end of the spring guide rod
Collapsible Stock Yes with minor fitting to the plastic sleeve at the end of the spring guide rod
Buttstock Yes with minor fitting (needs the buffer hole matched to use the cetme buffer)
Grip Frames Yes
Complete Trigger Pack Yes (but no individual parts)
Rear Sight Yes (but only if entire sight base is swapped)
Handguards, Slim Yes
Handguards Wide Yes with minor fitting. Just like the old style HK triple frame, the cetme has a bipod retaining ring that prevents the wide from installing
Pistol Grip Yes
Triple Frames Yes
Flash Hider Yes
Eyeloop for triple frame Yes
Cocking Handle Yes*
Spring for cocking handle Yes*
Pivot Pin for cocking handle Yes
Mag Catch parts Yes
Paddle mag release Yes
End Cap, Dust Cover Yes (but cetme will not fit g3)
Bayonet Adapter Yes*
Bayonet Yes* (only when using adapter)
Retainer Pins Yes*
Blank Firing Adapter Yes
Claw, Stanag Scope Mount Yes
POF Carry handle and Port Buffer Yes (carry handle slight modification to cetme handguard)
Trunnions Yes
*these items not only interchange but are an improvement over existing Cetme parts. Over the years some items have been strengthened or improved by HK.


No, the below HK parts will not work on a Cetme:
Bolt Carriers No
Locking Lever for bolt carrier No
Bolt Head No
Locking Piece No
Cocking Tube No (Cetme carrier longer)
Support for Cocking Handle No
Recoil Buffer No unless using HK buttstock
Individual fire control group parts like trigger, sear, hammer: No

hansellhd
June 18, 2015, 11:53
Go with the CETME Build, I think it will be worth more in the long run with all the PTR product flooding the market. This project would be nice to see now that Century is marketing that thing they call the C308.

HDH.

AGG
June 18, 2015, 12:47
The whole purpose is to build it myself. The rifle will mean a lot more to me if I do it myself. I'm looking forward to the project.

Ahhh . . . G3!!! :)

Tony

SteelGreyML
June 18, 2015, 15:01
While I always liked the HK91...I now have an apprication for the CETME. I love mine...the wood furniture has grown on me...These are nicer than what I have, but it shows you can make an old battle rifle shine again!

http://images39.fotki.com/v1224/photos/4/47955/644823/CETME_left-vi.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b4/25/1c/b4251c659e0e43df9784d35119f58c59.jpg

Great looking rifle there!

djfin
June 18, 2015, 15:52
The whole purpose is to build it myself. The rifle will mean a lot more to me if I do it myself. I'm looking forward to the project.

Then build one of each. You can't have to much fun.

andresere
June 18, 2015, 17:14
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b4/25/1c/b4251c659e0e43df9784d35119f58c59.jpg

CETME with a G3 rear sight.

I say build a CETME - everyone at the range will be amazed and awestruck by the fact that it actually shoots well, looks nice, doesn't require G3 mags, has no ground parts and has never heard of diminishing bolt gap. Be the proverbial diamond in the goatsass of Century's CETMEs. :bigangel:

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/andresere/say%20it%20with%20pics/you-can-do-it_zpsvb5v3s4z.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/andresere/media/say%20it%20with%20pics/you-can-do-it_zpsvb5v3s4z.jpg.html)

Incognito
June 18, 2015, 18:01
Be the proverbial diamond in the goatsass of Century's CETMEs.

This was enough to convince me, I will build he CETME with the G3 sight. And yes, it is the APEX kits and barrel that I am looking at. Thank you all for your input.

andresere
June 18, 2015, 18:04
Good! I own one of the CETMEs that follow the goat around, but I'm getting it fixed slowly and surely. Apex gun parts probably has the best selection of things you will need.

andresere
June 18, 2015, 18:10
This was enough to convince me, I will build he CETME with the G3 sight. And yes, it is the APEX kits and barrel that I am looking at. Thank you all for your input.

I would build it with a CETME rear sight, but I don't know of any receiver that is set up for it. All of the ones I have seen are populated for the G3 rear sight. I can't comment on the effectiveness of the G-3 sight, but I can tell you that both rifles use a v-notch for 100 and aperture peeps after that. I really believe that it is the windage adjustable feature of the G-3 rear sight that puts it above the CETME. The CETME uses an eccentric front sight post, so it combines windage with elevation (sort of). :wink:

1/325/ABN
June 18, 2015, 19:03
CETME and H&K's are the same in build requirements. The CETME kit's our 1/3 the price so I'd go with that one.

44EmElBee
June 18, 2015, 19:49
I own a CETME. I got a good one . If you are going for the G3 rear sight you will have to cut off the ears where the CETME paddle sight was. Then you will have to weld on the G3 sight base. Unless you know someone that is an exceptional and skilled welder you may end up with holes in the top or even a canted sight base. I don't use the v notch on my CETME sight I use the "2" hole sight. It works fine for me. Good luck with the build .:thumbsup:

hkshooter
June 18, 2015, 20:31
Look for a receiver (PTR) without the sight base. They once offered with and without the rear sight base welded on as an option for the custom crowd. Perfect for your CETME sight.

FranzLiebkind
June 20, 2015, 07:08
Great looking rifle there!

although I'm a die hard HK fan. that's beautiful.

hansellhd
June 20, 2015, 14:46
although I'm a die hard HK fan. that's beautiful.

I'm a HK fan myself however I've learned to appreciate the CETME as well.

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN2880_zpsg0hbwc4m.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN2880_zpsg0hbwc4m.jpg.html)

HDH.

bubbaguns
June 20, 2015, 22:47
CETME with a G3 rear sight.

I say build a CETME - everyone at the range will be amazed and awestruck by the fact that it actually shoots well, looks nice, doesn't require G3 mags, has no ground parts and has never heard of diminishing bolt gap. Be the proverbial diamond in the goatsass of Century's CETMEs. :bigangel:

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/andresere/say%20it%20with%20pics/you-can-do-it_zpsvb5v3s4z.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/andresere/media/say%20it%20with%20pics/you-can-do-it_zpsvb5v3s4z.jpg.html)

So bolt gap doesn't get smaller with use?

andresere
June 21, 2015, 08:17
So bolt gap doesn't get smaller with use?

Sure it does, it's the rifle wearing out so to speak. Many many rounds.

But it doesn't drop .005" with each range session. :biggrin:

G3isMe
June 24, 2015, 23:23
HK G3 clone with original wood furniture gets my vote.... :smile: but I have to vote my name..