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Ghost
May 28, 2015, 22:30
So my Grand father passed last year. and I was given his S&W. this gun was originally my Great grandfathers (on my Grandmas side). Great grand dad gave this S&W to my Grand dad after he married my Grandma. not that my Grand father has passed, the S&W has become mine.
It has been carried a lot, the holster is hanging on my Grandmothers wall.
The gun has spent the last couple of years in Alabama. I think I may even have been the last one to shoot and clean it, 16 years ago!
needless to say when My brother brought it to me it was dry and showing rust. I was afraid that it might have pitted but a good wipe down removed the scale and I don't think there is any pitting.
some of the ridges on the back of the grip are smushed a bit.
I want to have it refinished. Hopefully that will allow it to last a bit longer and be a bit more presentable.
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Under the cylinder hinge is: D 6
370 43

The SN is: k 45805 Can any of you S&W guys tell me any thing? date of manufacture, ect.
also do you think it will re finish nicely?

Nomad, 2nd
May 28, 2015, 22:35
Do NOT refinish.

Ghost
May 28, 2015, 22:48
Do NOT refinish.
The rust spots are pretty unsightly, and as far as I know this isn't a "collectable" type.
am I overlooking some thing?
thanks.

SPEEDGUNNER
May 29, 2015, 11:25
Do NOT refinish.

^^^THIS^^^

It is your gun and you may do with it what you wish. Yes, if you refinish you will now have a bright and shiny wheelgun that will give you years of service. However, once you refinish this old S&W you will take away all the years of service it provided to your grandfather and great grandfather, and with them the story of the gun. Every dent, scratch and spot of rust has a reason, and every one a reason to remember your grandfather. I would recommend you take the old revolver to a competent gunsmith and have him thoroughly clean it inside and out, lube and oil it, and then you can enjoy it and expect to get them same many years of service from it as your grandfather did.

Show us pictures when it is all cleaned up. You won't be sorry.

bouncer50
May 29, 2015, 15:59
I have a few old pistol with some or no bluing left. Would i refinish them no for a reason they will not match the old type of finish like the factory produce. I can spot a new reblue it just doesn't look right to me. The gun just has honest wear it will not shoot any better with it being reblue. Beauty is only skin deep a ugly wife can do the same job as pretty wife.:love:

Topbanana
May 29, 2015, 16:32
It looks really cool now the way it is.

Jaxxas
May 29, 2015, 17:28
It looks really cool now the way it is.

+1


Sweet piece!

Ghost
May 29, 2015, 17:48
Just got a reply from S&W the production year was 1948. Guessing its NOT safe for +P.
I would have had S&W re-blue it. S&W wont work on guns made before 1959. I don't know who I'd send it to to check out.
It certainly has honest wear! I feel bad about the rust stains though, they are there because My Grandfather got ill, in a slow and horrible way. He couldn't use or take care of his things any more, hence it was stored in the back of his reloading room.
Edit: I got some of his hand loads too. box reads" 38 sp 110 GR WIN JHP 7GR ALS (Powder WT OK in 10% sample) Weighed aprox 10 RG too high. REF WT 182.7 GR"

croftonaviation
May 30, 2015, 07:17
It would have to look way worse for me to refinish it if it were mine. That said I had a 1947 m & p reblued last year by a guy in central ky who does top drawer work. It was $150 and it turned out perfect. if you choose to refinish it and can't find a local place, pm me and I will get you his contact info. He is one of the last honest to god gunsmiths left.

VALMET
May 30, 2015, 11:33
Very cool- I was lucky enough to inherit my grandfather's S&W Victory model. Got a letter on it and it's one of my favorite pieces. You should consider a letter to go along with it, kind-of a cool thing to have.

Ghost
May 30, 2015, 20:22
It would have to look way worse for me to refinish it if it were mine. That said I had a 1947 m & p reblued last year by a guy in central ky who does top drawer work. It was $150 and it turned out perfect. if you choose to refinish it and can't find a local place, pm me and I will get you his contact info. He is one of the last honest to god gunsmiths left.

Thank you for the offer. I do NOT trust any one local. $150 sounds very reasonable. I believe it is Mechanically sound and very tight. no runout on the ejection rod. rifling is still nice and sharp. The front sight isnt pinned as tight as I'd expect ti pivots fore and aft on its pin, I'm not sure if that is by design on these guns.
Balance is awesome, as is pointability. DA trigger pull is heavier than I'd expect, but SA is feather weight.
What is the concern with refinishing, other than the perceived loss of history?

Gazz
May 31, 2015, 07:52
Things like this are only original once. Get it refinished (or restored which usually costs much more) and you have just another pretty revolver which in most cases would be worth less than one in original although worn condition. On top of that, the cost to get it redone might be more than what it is worth. What will you do about the stocks if you decide to have it refinished? The ones on it now would look wrong on a nice pretty shiny blue revolver. Replace them with another set of original stocks? Check out what nice diamond checkered S&W stocks sell for on eBay. To me refinishing it is sort of like the original axe that George Washington used to cut down the cherry tree. The handle has been replaced three times and the head twice but it is the original axe. Or maybe dying your blue jeans because they are getting faded or worn looking.
When you say it is not collectable realize that there are many levels of collectors. Some will only buy mint firearms in the original boxes with all the paperwork and consider only these types to be collectable. Others are not so fussy. And even some collectors have no issues with refinished or restored firearms. Also, the one you have has adjustable sights and according to my Standard Catalog of S&W, that makes it a target model M&P and will bring a premium of 25% to 50% in the lower grades which yours would be considered. The values in the book are for firearms in original finish only.
To be safe, I would leave it the way it is except for some cleaning of the active rust with some bronze wool and oil. What does the holster look like? Cool revolver and I would be happy to have one just like it.

douglas
May 31, 2015, 19:36
Clean it up and shoot it.
While shooting it, be thinking of all the generations of your family before you that took pride it's ownership and who have look down those sights while squeezing the trigger and seeing those little smoke rings coming out of the end of the barrel of that 6 " K-38 after firing a round.
Some things need to be bright and shinny, other things are best left as they are.

Ghost
May 31, 2015, 21:27
I knew I'd meet strong opposition to the refinish idea.
I notice that Sarco has S&W Victory parts. I was wondering what if any parts would interchange. it's always good to have spare parts.
Oh and I would NEVER sell this revolver.
also wondering if there is supposed to be play in the fit of the front sight?

D P Six
May 31, 2015, 22:42
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The SN is: k 45805 Can any of you S&W guys tell me any thing? date of manufacture, ect.
also do you think it will re finish nicely?

Just for information, the serial # will appear on the butt, underside of the barrel, underside of ejector star, rear face of crane (hidden by cylinder), rear face of cylinder, under sideplate, underside of right grip. A 'restoration' will cost more than the value of the gun. A reblue can be hit or miss, it can look nice or stampings/rollmarks can be reduced, edges rounded, screw holes wallowed. Nice S&W with family history.

Ghost
June 03, 2015, 20:20
Crown needs some attention too, probably due to storage conditions.
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Ghost
July 05, 2015, 20:21
Got to take the S&W out. It shoots consistently really low. at 10 yards or so I have to place the target half way down the front sight blade.
I have the rear sight lowered all the way down. Is it possible this isnt the original sight? I know this style sight was available and looks just like factory ones. I is a bit loose though.
Also There are some dings around the muzzle, could this be the issue?
It is consistently low to the same point of aim.

Gazz
July 06, 2015, 08:23
Did you try raising the rear sight? Try to remember that you move the rear sight in the direction you want the shot to go.

jdmcomp
July 06, 2015, 09:36
Try giving the gun a coat of Renaissance Micro Crystalline wax and you will find you do not need to reblue. And the gun will be protected. The wax is expensive but the 200ml can will last for years and is good on wood and leather as well. Really, it works. And it will not detract from the value, in fact it will enhance the value.

abbynormal
July 06, 2015, 21:57
It's probably set up for a bullseye target where they aimed at the bottom of a bullseye target rather than POA (Point of aim).

Don't change anything but the sight adjustments! That's the way your GGP left it and the way your GP gave it to you. Keep it well oiled and remember it the way you got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Refinishing will KILL the memory and resale value, also, the appreciation factor for when you give it to your offspring.

Ghost
July 06, 2015, 22:18
It's probably set up for a bullseye target where they aimed at the bottom of a bullseye target rather than POA (Point of aim).

Don't change anything but the sight adjustments! That's the way your GGP left it and the way your GP gave it to you. Keep it well oiled and remember it the way you got it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Refinishing will KILL the memory and resale value, also, the appreciation factor for when you give it to your offspring.

interesting thought. What is the
typical range for bullseye?

Gazz
July 08, 2015, 07:32
If the revolver was set up for bullseye shooting, a 6 o'clock hold would have a bullet impact on the target that is higher, not lower.
Raise the rear sight to bring your shots up. Shooters have been doing it that way for hundreds of years.

Ghost
July 08, 2015, 09:17
If the revolver was set up for bullseye shooting, a 6 o'clock hold would have a bullet impact on the target that is higher, not lower.
Raise the rear sight to bring your shots up. Shooters have been doing it that way for hundreds of years.

It was late and I've been working long hours a lot, I was typing on empty. had a brain fart.
Sight needs a lot of up ward adjustment to come to point of aim though.

Wildcat
July 08, 2015, 20:42
These guns tend to look like they have a lot of front sight.

I have a Model 14 with an 8" barrel. Distance from the centerline of the barrel to the top of the front post on my gun is 0.821". I know its not a perfect comparison but I'd expect that your front sight -should- be slightly shorter than that.

Measurement is: H-D/2
H = total height from top of front sight blade to underside of barrel
D = diameter of barrel just back from the muzzle

Bruce Allen
July 08, 2015, 21:24
I have the rear sight lowered all the way down. Is it possible this isnt the original sight? .
On firearms with rear sight adjustment only you move the sight up to move the round impact up or down to move the round impact down.
In other words the same direction you want the bullet impact to be.

Windage adjustment is totally different. Move it to the left to hit more to the right and more to the right to hit to the left.

The revolver has plenty of sight adjustment..

BTW - you never said how well it grouped.

SWOHFAL
July 11, 2015, 06:35
Crown needs some attention too, probably due to storage conditions.


Brownell's sells a nice manual crowning kit that should run under $100 with the right cutters and pilot bit, if you don't want to try a marble and JB bore paste first.