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DelawareTacticalDynamics
February 28, 2015, 17:13
ok trying to decide between an hk91 clone vs an fal. Decide and why?

d762nato
February 28, 2015, 17:21
:popcorn: This question should get some good reply's, although you probably would get more reply's in the Fal room.

Sampson1986
February 28, 2015, 17:55
Get both. Seriously.

:whiskey:

308/223shooter
February 28, 2015, 17:58
Having used both, my vote is the SLR hands down. Just for grins, try charging the HK while laying prone.

EPC WN
February 28, 2015, 18:17
Dollar mags might offset that initial HK investment.

meltblown
February 28, 2015, 18:37
What is an HK91? :]:beer: has zero sex appeal

SAFN49
February 28, 2015, 18:57
What is an HK91? :]:beer: has zero sex appeal

Come on admit it. They are sexy.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s30/djm540idjm540i/HK91A3_zps583e8950.jpg (http://s148.photobucket.com/user/djm540idjm540i/media/HK91A3_zps583e8950.jpg.html)

J. Armstrong
February 28, 2015, 19:10
Besides being hideous ( sorry, SAFN ;) ) I personally find the HK ergos to be very poor, YMMV.

It's been years since I shot one ( got an original HK 91, took it to the range maybe 2 - 3 times, sold it off ASAFP ! ), but I seem to recall feeling the recoil was, while certainly not terrible, considerably more noticeable than the FAL, and I've never been particularly recoil sensitive.

In short, a strictly personal opinion, but I wouldn't take two HKs for any of my FALs. Probably not even three.

They may otherwise be just as a "good" as an FAL in every functional aspect, but I never had the interest or need to find out.

I think the wise course of action would be to try to shoot both, preferably at the same sitting, and decide which best floats yer boat.

cowbilly
February 28, 2015, 19:12
If they are both clones get the FAL. I might consider the 91 if it was HK factory and a decent deal. Really you can't go wrong with either of them if they are quality builds, both are proven battle rifles. Having a lot of experience with both, I would take the FAL. Here is why:

FAL has more flavors available.
FAL Chamber is not flutted and it does not butcher brass like the HK variants do thus easier to reload.
FAL has a last round bolt hold open (or one can be installed).
FAL military barrel is usually chrome lined.
FAL has a better mag release, unless you have a flapper mag installed on the HK variant.
FAL spare parts still available and it is easy to work on repair/rebarrel yourself.
FAL is more comfortable to shoot, takes standard slings and everything is in the right place (especially if you have one with a bipod for prone, lefty charging handle can be a pain in that firing position).
FAL is easier to clean and access all parts.
FAL is just as accurate.
FAL tends to have a better trigger off the rack than the standard HK variants.
FAL para stock is waaaaaaaaaaay more comfortable than the HK collapsable if you go that route.
FAL has an adjustable gas system.
FAL won't dump a ton of crud in your magazine after you shoot several hundred rounds like the HK delayed blowback action will.
FAL bayonets are cheap (depending on your flash hider type).
FAL has no pins to lose in the field (I know your supposed to put them in the HK stock, but I have seen it happen).

That is just off the top of my head. Good luck with your purchase.:beer:

Invictus77
February 28, 2015, 19:17
Get both. Seriously.

:whiskey:

this...or borrow both to test...and an M14. Might as well cover the whole NATO cold war:)

After the first three range trips shooting all three you will know.

I'll bet a benjy you pick the FAL.


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SAFN49
February 28, 2015, 20:51
HK's are way easier to swap out parts when playing dress up with your rifle.

Don't like the stock? push 2 pins and swap green/brown/black/wood in a matter of seconds. Want a wide HG with a bipod swap colored wide and narrow HG's in seconds. Swap grip frames.

Want a scope? original QD mount. Want a para? 2 pins and the collapsible stock is in place. No need for separate lowers, bolt carriers, top covers.

Mags $2 for the HK.

I do own more FAL's than I own HK's. I do prefer the HK when I used to use it for deer hunting. For collecting I prefer the FAL.

OldLawman
February 28, 2015, 21:52
Currently I own one of each. Ok, so my HK is a PTR-91. Same, same.

I currently have one FAL - a DSA Para. Have owned a whole bunch of different variations over the years. Each has their own advantages and flaws.

But boy, are those 91 mags still cheap ! I must have 80 or so.

Think of the HK platform as the AK of the .308 battle rifles.

d762nato
March 01, 2015, 07:05
Get both. Seriously.
+1
:whiskey:

Currently I own one of each. Ok, so my HK is a PTR-91. Same, same.

I currently have one FAL - a DSA Para. Have owned a whole bunch of different variations over the years. Each has their own advantages and flaws.

But boy, are those 91 mags still cheap ! I must have 80 or so.

Think of the HK platform as the AK of the .308 battle rifles.
Yep their both great weapons and I own both also but for pure sexiness and ergos I'd have to say the Fal for sure.

Otis Treekiller
March 01, 2015, 08:16
Both fill a similar role so it comes down to personal preference. For me, the FAL's ergonomics are so much better it's not even a contest.

HK556WI
March 01, 2015, 09:44
I would say that mine looks pretty sweet. I have owned everyone of those rifles over the years and just keep coming back to the HK platform.

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z333/HK556WI/IMG_0523%20-%20Copy_zpst2zwfvyi.jpg (http://s1184.photobucket.com/user/HK556WI/media/IMG_0523%20-%20Copy_zpst2zwfvyi.jpg.html)

J. Armstrong
March 01, 2015, 11:29
Actually, the answer to the OPs question is : SCAR17S. Hands down.

hansellhd
March 01, 2015, 12:42
Get both. Seriously.

:whiskey:

YES!

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And get an M14 too.:tongue:

HDH.

hansellhd
March 01, 2015, 12:46
Come on admit it. They are sexy.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s30/djm540idjm540i/HK91A3_zps583e8950.jpg (http://s148.photobucket.com/user/djm540idjm540i/media/HK91A3_zps583e8950.jpg.html)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^Yup.

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HDH.

MJ1
March 01, 2015, 12:55
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/montereyjack/satire/Bullshit_zps46c8f891.jpg

Girls do it....:facepalm:

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bp77
March 01, 2015, 13:12
I had a HK 91, SR9, SAR8 (overstamp) in the late 80s early 90s. Sold them due to the crappy laws out on the left coast and paying for college. Loved me some g3type rifles, but back then all I had was an m1a, and AR. In late 1996 DSA started putting out the SA58, never really looked at FALs, got one of the first 50 they built. Loved it, it's a 50.00 clone of sorts. Then came the StG58 ads in SGN, got some of those, and really came to appreciate the FAL, but still lusted for a g3 type. In 2005 JLD started making the 91 clones picked up one and loved it. It's not a Hk 91 but it does everything my old german HKs did, plus I can't own hk91 where I live. Have since picked up a few more, put steel grip frames on them and they work great. I don't think you will go wrong with either rifle. They will not have the allure of real FN or HK to some but they will cost a fraction of the original and provide all of the function. If you can try both out that would be best, some folks have a strong preference for one or the other.

Beryl
March 02, 2015, 00:47
Holy crap, guys. How many times are we going to talk about this? The search function will get you SEVERAL discussions on it.

SAFN49
March 02, 2015, 01:39
Holy crap, guys. How many times are we going to talk about this? The search function will get you SEVERAL discussions on it.

Until it gets old. Which I hope it never does. ;)

d762nato
March 02, 2015, 06:02
Ahh! Yes! and all German Baby! :D Before or after... hmmm!

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MK ULTRA
March 02, 2015, 08:25
I'd only get the real ones. Either the HK91 the Greek SAR8/3 or the Portuguese models. All were licensed by HK.

mpnv
March 03, 2015, 06:46
I'd only get the real ones. Either the HK91 the Greek SAR8/3 or the Portuguese models. All were licensed by HK.

I had both the HK91 and an early JLD PTR91 I could not see any difference between the two. Both chewed up brass due to the fluted barrel and both had the mag release in a retarded place. Both shot what ever you fed them equally well. When I sold them however, The HK brought in more than double the amount of the PTR.

MK ULTRA
March 05, 2015, 13:11
I had both the HK91 and an early JLD PTR91 I could not see any difference between the two. Both chewed up brass due to the fluted barrel and both had the mag release in a retarded place. Both shot what ever you fed them equally well. When I sold them however, The HK brought in more than double the amount of the PTR.

Well sure it did. Factory rifles do that... The PTRs sometimes loose their headspace.

Combloc
March 05, 2015, 22:31
I have both and love both but, as much as I hate to say it (I REALLY love German stuff), the FAL is the better rifle:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/SIG%20510-7/P1110594_zpscb4ab4cb.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/SIG%20510-7/P1110594_zpscb4ab4cb.jpg.html)

You never have to clean it and it's built like a tank. My FAL has a Belgian barrel and I get more accuracy out of it than I do my HK. It has a better trigger though so that might be the difference; I don't know. Both serve well but in a pinch, I'd pick the FAL.

hansellhd
March 06, 2015, 12:36
I have both and love both but, as much as I hate to say it (I REALLY love German stuff), the FAL is the better rifle:

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/SIG%20510-7/P1110594_zpscb4ab4cb.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/SIG%20510-7/P1110594_zpscb4ab4cb.jpg.html)

You never have to clean it and it's built like a tank. My FAL has a Belgian barrel and I get more accuracy out of it than I do my HK. It has a better trigger though so that might be the difference; I don't know. Both serve well but in a pinch, I'd pick the FAL.

How's that FG42 working out for Ya?? Did you trash it yet. ;)

My PTR44 is functioning (flawless) just fine after the rebuild.

http://i1036.photobucket.com/albums/a443/hansellhd/DSCN2744_zps3b24pgzy.jpg (http://s1036.photobucket.com/user/hansellhd/media/DSCN2744_zps3b24pgzy.jpg.html)

HDH.

Sampson1986
March 06, 2015, 17:43
I had both the HK91 and an early JLD PTR91 I could not see any difference between the two. Both chewed up brass due to the fluted barrel and both had the mag release in a retarded place. Both shot what ever you fed them equally well. When I sold them however, The HK brought in more than double the amount of the PTR.

That wouldn't by chance be the JLD 91 I have in my safe, would it? :biggrin:

Long time no see, Mike. :whiskey:

mpnv
March 06, 2015, 18:20
Kristopher....Hope everything is well with you! :beer: I was away for awhile.
I don't think yours ever chambered a live round before it left here.
How is the scope working out with it? Do you see any difference between your PTR and an HK?

Combloc
March 06, 2015, 21:46
How's that FG42 working out for Ya?? Did you trash it yet. ;)


HDH.


I'm just waiting for the weather to break. Then it's back to testing. I'm not expecting much at this point. I hope I'm surprised though!

2336
March 07, 2015, 02:58
Just get one of each. I'm afraid I can't be too much help. I've got a FAL built on an IMBEL parts kit and an Entreprise Type III receiver, and a Portuguese G3 built on a PTR receiver and love both! I also have an M14/M1A built by a Vietnam era Marine Corps sniper that is - well, I'll just leave it at that! I trained with the M16A1 in Boot camp (1981) and learned to use and love the M16A2 but have developed a love for a caliber that turns most cover into concealment - the .30 caliber! And for the really pesky problems - solution M1 Garand in 30-06!

01BIRDDOG
March 07, 2015, 09:42
I almost think that is a question with no majority answer......Having been around these rifles for 50 years i can say they are all good. My heart is with the M-14 but each is so different and special in its own right. I really couldn't pick one over the other but for ease of operation it would be (for me) FAL.,M-14 then G3. But for tough as nails then G3, and i guess FAL and M-14 to be equal. Then accuracy M-14, and G3 and FAL being equal. So you see i have no idea how to answer your question even in my mind.

Beryl
March 07, 2015, 10:03
Okay, I'll play (again).:facepalm:

I have had both an IB code HK91 and a Steyr import FAL 50.00 ( I have an Imbel now).

The HK is a great gun, but some ammo (CAVIM for one) will gum one up enough that the action won't function properly (also if you don't clean it regularly). Easy to accessorize. Mags are cheap. Will digest about any ammo. Major bitch to clean. Smacks the living shit out of your cheek without a stock extension or Namibian buttstock. Rear sight adjustment requires a goofy complicated tool. Stamped receiver can be damaged to where gun will not function.

The FAL is a great gun. Very ergonomic. Easy to clean. Comfortable to shoot. Parts are inexpensive. Adjustable gas system can be tuned for different ammo or extreme fouling. Will function without the top cover if damaged. Milled receiver. Easy to use sights. Not so easy to accessorize. Mags are expensive (don't know why). Can be ammo picky.

One is as good as the other, but I prefer the FAL. I would feel fine if issued either for combat. FWIW, most Rhodesian war vets who have commented on it preferred the FAL over the G-3.

Sampson1986
March 07, 2015, 12:49
Kristopher....Hope everything is well with you! :beer: I was away for awhile.
I don't think yours ever chambered a live round before it left here.
How is the scope working out with it? Do you see any difference between your PTR and an HK?

I'm doing well, Mike. Hope all is going well for you. :beer:

The JLD is still one of my favorite firearms. Still looks the same as it did when it showed up here back in '11. I've bought a lot of ammo for it but have never got around to shooting it - something always stops me. It has a special place in my safe. :bow:

I've used the scope on my other HK clones - I love it.

I'd put my JLD 91, PTR-91 GI, or AZEX built G3/91 up against an HK91 anyday. They are all fine weapons IMO.

Great to see ya back, Mike. :beer: :whiskey: :fal:

Guy-epic
March 07, 2015, 13:15
I saw on another board the same argument taking place. They were trying to say the FAL doesn't work in the sand!??? Umm Africa has sand?

SAFN49
March 07, 2015, 13:33
I saw on another board the same argument taking place. They were trying to say the FAL doesn't work in the sand!??? Umm Africa has sand?

Well they did have to sand cut the bolt carriers.

Beryl
March 07, 2015, 17:04
I saw on another board the same argument taking place. They were trying to say the FAL doesn't work in the sand!??? Umm Africa has sand?

Ah, bullshit. My first FAL was a DSA receiver STG. I took it to the Las Vegas NV SOF 3-gun match in 1994 and it worked fine, and there is nothing BUT sand out there. Every night I cleaned it and shook sand out of my mags and it never had a stoppage of any kind.

MJ1
March 07, 2015, 23:34
I love these posts..:biggrin:

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Always FUD free...:rolleyes:

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..........:facepalm:

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Please continue....:smile:

Combloc
March 07, 2015, 23:57
NICE stock end cap/buffer picture!!

LRRP7.62
March 08, 2015, 13:21
Come on admit it. They are sexy.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s30/djm540idjm540i/HK91A3_zps583e8950.jpg (http://s148.photobucket.com/user/djm540idjm540i/media/HK91A3_zps583e8950.jpg.html)

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Super B
March 17, 2015, 04:45
I own both. But I would go with the HK91 over the FAL based solely on the magazine prices. (HK91 $3, FAL $25)

gaijinsamurai
March 20, 2015, 23:09
http://i.imgur.com/DHemhXTl.jpg

I like both platforms, but prefer the FAL.

tx_oil
March 23, 2015, 13:53
Have owned both, now I only own FAL's. Just like it better.

d762nato
March 23, 2015, 14:34
I love these posts..:biggrin:

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Please continue....:smile:
I do too and I also like the way you've got her all set up, Sweet!! Although I do like me some Fals a little more. Just gotta have both you know to be complete.

K.O.A.M.
March 23, 2015, 14:35
I have a H&K 91, a Greek SAR 8 converted by Gunplumber into a 91k, and a Gunplumber built G3 out of a Portuguese kit.

I also have a FN FAL 50.00, an Imbel/Imbel built by Gunplumber, and an Argentine/Argentine built by Gunplumber (among others)

FAL's are easier to shoot. Their felt recoil is less.

H&K's have the advantage of cheap magazines and easy ability to change out things to other configurations. I can put a collapsible stock on any of my H&K pattern rifles in under a minute. H&K pattern rifles are also cheaper to get into at present than FAL's.

Try to shoot both, pick what you like. Both have done yeoman service for decades.

Vorpal_weapon
March 23, 2015, 14:50
Despite that HK enjoys a few advantages (e.g. better theoretical mechanical accuracy, currently cheap mags and better availability of surplus parts), FAL is actually the better weapon in a number of significant ways. I've owned both and some while back went exclusively with FAL. Shooting them side by side well the FAL really outshines HK. FAL handles much better with its superior ergonomics, and its less fatiguing to shoot all day. HK triggers universally SUCK and there is little that can be done about it. Rough handling during military ops resulting in deformation of the sheet metal receivers was such a common problem that a receiver straightening mandrel became de rigueur. In militaries that used both (e.g. Rhodesia), FAL was universally preferred by the squaddies with G3 being seen as the cheap, less-desirable substitute.

In deference to the OP, given the two options easily FAL. In all honesty however, I'd side with J. Armstrong on the SCAR17S.

zacmp
April 02, 2015, 18:45
Besides being hideous ( sorry, SAFN ;) ) ...

How can you be so damned wrong?!?

...I personally find the HK ergos to be very poor, YMMV.

and yet be so damned right?!?

keysort
April 03, 2015, 04:49
I've owned both and prefer the FAL. My HK91 clone was fun but had incredibly snappy recoil, making accurate follow-up shots difficult. My shoulder would get a raspberry of horizontal lines after running a couple of mags through it. For me the FAL has all-around better ergonomics, and the adjustable gas system helps make recoil a non-issue. :fal:

MJ1
April 03, 2015, 23:16
NICE stock end cap/buffer picture!!

PSG buffer and trigger in the South African stock...........:rofl:

1791
April 04, 2015, 16:34
They are both battle proven weapons. The FAL wins on ergonomics. The G3 types have lower cost parts and mags. There was a time when even FAL mags were only $1 ea. Just not anymore.
I own a pair of each. My personal preference is the FAL.

J. Armstrong
April 04, 2015, 18:42
How can you be so damned wrong?!?



and yet be so damned right?!?

I like to think of myself as being versatile...........;)

Okay, maybe not hideous. But definitely fugly :D

JustAHack2
April 15, 2015, 19:42
My first post to The FAL Files, and here I am sticking up for the Hk91. I'm new to both the FAL and Hk91, and love both. Definitely shoot both if you can, save your pennies. Each has virtues totally unique to them.

What I love about the FAL:

Long, elegant, classic lines.
Many interesting, cool, addicting variations for the collector
Fascinating history and near-universal deployment around the free world
Easiest to strip and clean of any semi-auto battle rifle
Great shooter
Almost a niche fanatical following that I get at a gut level. The FAL is easy to love. If you actually shoot and handle one for any length of time, chances are pretty good you'll love it.

What I love about the Hk91 (PTR-91):

Incredibly dense, handy and point-able. Nothing else feels like an Hk91.
Squat and evil-looking enough to upset people that I like to upset
Tough as a hickory stump
Cheap parts, especially magazines
Great shooter
Even more niche fanatical following than the FAL. A true love-it-or-hate-it rifle. Unique and quirky with an interesting history, but it absolutely works.

The downsides of the FAL are expensive parts, and if you like L1A1s or Stg58s or Israelis, essentially unavailable and really expensive parts. Can be long and ungainly in handling, except in Para format.

The downsides of the Hk91 are that it is difficult to clean, and it truly mutilates brass if you're a reloader. I shoot steel case and just roll on, eats it like candy. Unlike many, I find the ergonomics of the Hk91 to be great. I do not find the recoil of the Hk91 to be more noticeable than any other .308 semi-auto, or the FAL to have noticeably less recoil and be a "soft shooter." I just don't.

Both the FAL and the Hk91 have an inherent cool factor that is far beyond the reach of any dime-a-dozen AR-15 or AK mall-ninja-wannabe-poodle-poofer clone. Things shot with an FAL or Hk91, tend to stay shot.

Invictus77
April 15, 2015, 20:01
Justahack


Great first post bro :cheers:

hansellhd
April 16, 2015, 12:18
My first post to The FAL Files, and here I am sticking up for the Hk91. I'm new to both the FAL and Hk91, and love both. Definitely shoot both if you can, save your pennies. Each has virtues totally unique to them.

What I love about the FAL:

Long, elegant, classic lines.
Many interesting, cool, addicting variations for the collector
Fascinating history and near-universal deployment around the free world
Easiest to strip and clean of any semi-auto battle rifle
Great shooter
Almost a niche fanatical following that I get at a gut level. The FAL is easy to love. If you actually shoot and handle one for any length of time, chances are pretty good you'll love it.

What I love about the Hk91 (PTR-91):

Incredibly dense, handy and point-able. Nothing else feels like an Hk91.
Squat and evil-looking enough to upset people that I like to upset
Tough as a hickory stump
Cheap parts, especially magazines
Great shooter
Even more niche fanatical following than the FAL. A true love-it-or-hate-it rifle. Unique and quirky with an interesting history, but it absolutely works.

The downsides of the FAL are expensive parts, and if you like L1A1s or Stg58s or Israelis, essentially unavailable and really expensive parts. Can be long and ungainly in handling, except in Para format.

The downsides of the Hk91 are that it is difficult to clean, and it truly mutilates brass if you're a reloader. I shoot steel case and just roll on, eats it like candy. Unlike many, I find the ergonomics of the Hk91 to be great. I do not find the recoil of the Hk91 to be more noticeable than any other .308 semi-auto, or the FAL to have noticeably less recoil and be a "soft shooter." I just don't.

Both the FAL and the Hk91 have an inherent cool factor that is far beyond the reach of any dime-a-dozen AR-15 or AK mall-ninja-wannabe-poodle-poofer clone. Things shot with an FAL or Hk91, tend to stay shot.

You nailed it, completely agree. I often wonder If the people who complain about recoil of the G3 platform ever shot a Bolt action battle rifle, now that's recoil.

To me the Myth of Roller lock rifles with harsh recoil is right up there with AK's are not accurate and AR's jam all the time.

HDH.

brunop
April 16, 2015, 12:57
JustaHack - great first post. Stick around, you'll like it here.

Peace.

JustAHack2
April 17, 2015, 20:52
Thanks y'all, I love it here!

My path to the FAL was a long and twisted one, I feel earned honestly through decades of shooting, handling, and reading. My first look over 30 years ago at the FAL profile, and the first two words that popped into my mind were "good guy." :fal:

My path was M1 Garand ==> Model 1917 ==> '03 Springfield ==> '03A3 Springfield ==> AR-10 (RRA LAR-8) ==> M1A/M14 ==> Hk91/G3 ==> FAL

I love the '03 Springfield, M1A, G3, and FAL. I love The Big Boom, well executed and classic.

The '03 and M1A are rifleman's rifles, they have a certain purity, simplicity.

The G3 is handy, tough, and stylish. Different. Works.

The FAL to me kind of merges both schools. It's a rifleman's rifle, but also has the mix of rugged toughness and European style. It is friendly, homey, rugged, yet different and stylish. Lots of parts, yet easy to work on. One handling or shooting session, and it's clear this is a rifle that has a purpose, that is all business, it knows what it wants to do. I still dearly love the basic '03 Springfield and M1A, and the G3. But the FAL has the full package. :bow:

2336
April 24, 2015, 01:11
JustAHack2, you have a great way of wording things! I've fired both rifles and your description of each is excellent. Nice to see a well-spoken and eloquent gun-nut! Hope to see more of your posts. Love the way you describe the FAL as "the full package":wink: Also - "Things shot with an FAL or Hk91, tend to stay shot." Well put!:biggrin:

Alpha-17
April 25, 2015, 11:00
The correct answer is both. And a SCAR 17S if you want the true .308 Champion. :wink:


Seriously, PTR91 is the most cost effective .308 battle rifle platform, the FAL has better ergonomics than the PTR, and the SCAR beats both hands down.

SteelGreyML
April 26, 2015, 22:03
Both! FAL with HK sight?

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http://i1315.photobucket.com/albums/t596/SteelgreyML/Stg58/815A46D8-5C8F-4206-872F-BD304185A6E9_zps2sk82dds.jpg (http://s1315.photobucket.com/user/SteelgreyML/media/Stg58/815A46D8-5C8F-4206-872F-BD304185A6E9_zps2sk82dds.jpg.html)

JustAHack2
April 27, 2015, 19:35
Pretty wild - how did you do that?!

To me, the saving grace of the Hk91 barrel sights is the ability to quickly line up the rear aperture with the big front ring and post. Not MOA precise, but you'll definitely be hard on the target at 200 - 400 yards, and will consistently hit if you quickly line things up. Even the weird Hk91 100 meter v-notch works if you set the bottom of the front sight ring in the rear v-notch, and go to town.

With a non-ring open-eared front sight, I can still see it working great with the 200 - 400 meter rear aperture. But maybe not with the 100 meter v-notch. I'm trying to picture it in my mind. Does it work for you?

jaybo785
May 11, 2015, 16:40
I have both.
From what I've learned the FAL has more of a horizontal recoil and the HK 91 / PTR 91 / CETME has more of a barrel rise or vertical recoil.
With single shots with long pauses in between this makes little to no difference, with rapid semi fire or FA this makes a world of difference with accuracy.
Both are very reliable rifles but the HK91 trumps the FAL in can shoot through anything / environment factor, often compared as the AK of 308's.
I'm personally a fan of the FAL over the HK variant and would highly recommend you saving your money and paying the additional cash for the FAl.

Hope my input has helped, good luck and have fun. :-)

STGThndr
May 24, 2015, 17:05
I have all 3 and several decades of shooting them. My personal favorite is the M1A but that's not the question... One PTR is set up to go out the door with a mess of loaded mags in a vest and in the gun case. That probably says where Im coming from... When I trained years ago the H&K is what was available and there were 1 or 2 91's set up as "sniper rifles" and at least one of them played the part, to the detriment of a hostage-taker.
That said, I am more comfortable with the M1A and the FAL, both are more user-friendly in my experience. Will never forget stripping a 91 for cleaning the first time.. what a mess and it took awhile to figger out how to get it back together. Of the three the FAL is far easier to maintain... more comfortable to carry around too.
Having said that, for personal use these days I carry an AR15 or a Mitchell-imported AK. (The AK came in BEFORE all the onerous regulations necessitated cutting the gun up and then reassembling).