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wonderdog451
January 10, 2015, 20:04
I have had a desire to buy either a suppressor ever since they became legal here in Michigan, right now I am torn between starting the process to buy either an integrally suppressed 10/22 from Thompson Machine or a stand alone unit from the same company. Are there any issues with an integrally suppressed weapon that I need to be concerned about? I am also a realist and am aware that once I get my first one it will probably have company in the 45 and 30 caliber versions, if not another 22 or 9mm sibling.

stimpsonjcat
January 10, 2015, 20:41
Obviously integral cans cannot be used on multiple hosts.

dtom29
January 10, 2015, 21:12
The Thompson Machine Integrals are very quiet but as stimpsonjcat said you can't use it with anything else. If it were my first 22 suppressor I'd buy the Isis22 which you can use on a pistol as well as a rifle. After that you can consider the Operative TD, which is what I plan to get. I have two Thompson Zephyr XL's and love them. I was able to shoot the Isis22 next to the Zephyr's and there is a difference, which is understandable since the Isis is the newest version. The Isis is a little lighter. Brooks and Richard are great to deal with also.

kev
January 10, 2015, 21:46
Other than the stealthy look of the integral and the ability to keep it at a shorter OAL, the main advantage is that most of them are ported internally to keep the velocity of the cheap bulk pack .22 ammo sub-sonic. Sticking a muzzle can on the end of a 16" barrel requires the use of sub-sonic ammo which is generally more expensive and harder to find(especially now with the ammo drought).

As a shooter, I much prefer integrals; both rifle and pistol. All the marketing pressure has been towards pushing muzzle cans and the buyers have responded so that's going to be the recommendation 99% of the time,........but you have to realize that muzzle cans are just cheaper and easier for manufacturers/vendors to keep in stock. Regardless of the retail price, nobody has more than $50 invested in a can's manufacture and materials so the % profit is very good. Tying up the cost of 100 10-22's or MkIII pistols for a run of integrals is much less attractive economically. In the first case you might have $5000 tied up in stock on the shelves to turn $20,000 profit(100 muzzle cans)and your market is anyone with a threaded muzzle. In the second case you might have $40,000 tied up in 100 integrals hoping for the same $20,000 profit and your buyers are fewer and farther between.

Integrals are just so much cooler than cans,...........

Artful
January 10, 2015, 21:59
Good points to consider - especially
1) muzzle can's can move between firearms
2) subsonic 22 ammo needed for anything not 4 1/2" or shorter barrel or with
ports to dump the gas to keep supersonic ammo subsonic.

Also consider you have several choices in your registration
1) as an individual
2) as a corporation
3) as a trust

Trust and Corporation does NOT require LEO signoff, pictures and prints.
Also has the advantage that multiple people can take the suppressor out for
use so you don't have to be with suppressor which is the case if registered to
you as an individual.

And a dealer I talked with this week says the trusts are going thru much faster than an individual, he sent in 7 form 4's and the trust is completed and not a word about individuals.

On the Ruger 10/22 - with subsonic ammo there is marginal energy to cycle the action - you may need to slick up the parts and clean more often than you normally do.

But if your willing to spend a little more on your 10/22 you can make a "Pocket Rifle" SBR (another $200 stamp)
examples
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll204/Hawglegf44/PocketRifleEdited1_zps0c95d506.jpg (http://s289.photobucket.com/user/Hawglegf44/media/PocketRifleEdited1_zps0c95d506.jpg.html)

http://photos.imageevent.com/magdump/submachineguns/websize/Pocket%20Rifle%20Left%20Side.JPG

http://i45.tinypic.com/2m47j86.jpg

http://www.nfainvestments.com/shootvideos/Gun%20parts%20and%20photos/pocket_rifle_1.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgPrNwp72DY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GbjXvH7xJA

Which also means as an SBR the barrel and suppressor together don't have to be 16 " long.
http://i.imgur.com/VtLjGl.jpg

wonderdog451
January 10, 2015, 22:55
I either need to do a little more research or continue to ask the opinions of those more experienced than I am in these matters. I am considering using a Butler Creek folding stock with the rifle because I want the ability to use standard velocity ammunition whenever I choose ( I am also to cheap at the moment to budget the money for a SBR stamp instead of possibly buying another suppressor for use on my 300 Blackout). On the other hand,I look forward to the paranoid glances I will get this time when I go to the range with my battle rifles, Uzi's, AR15's and my Semi-auto 1919A4.:wink:

Artful
January 11, 2015, 01:53
look for a titanium 30 caliber can that you can disassemble to clean - you can use it on 300 blackout and 22LR. :beer:

perryturner
January 11, 2015, 11:31
Be aware that the bolt will make more noise than the round. If you want it really quiet, consider a bolt or lever action.

I bought a Ruger 96-22 and sent it to Norrell for his integral suppressor. If I were in the market for a bolt action, it would probably be from John's Guns, or Mike Klos. Mike did an integral on a Buckmark I sent him.

wonderdog451
January 11, 2015, 12:06
Thompson machine has a Youtube video of their integrally suppressed rifles that looks really impressive, have a look for yourself;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv6_5fuuimc

Guy-epic
January 11, 2015, 12:30
I just can't see spending to money to only use it on one rifle

shortround
January 11, 2015, 18:52
I was mulling over one of these barrels on a 10/22 takedown. Gives you the advantages of the shorter length barrel without getting a stamp for the rifle too. Don't know if 12.375" will keep everything subsonic, but should do alright with standard velocity.

I ended up submitting a Form 1 for a 10/22.

Tactical Solutions SB-X Barrel

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/2192617359/tactical-solutions-sb-x-barrel-ruger-10-22-takedown-22-long-rifle-lightweight-taper-1-in-16-twist-165-aluminum-threaded-muzzle

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/534d7de3e4b0703ad1ffd939/535597c4e4b0e10db1983a7a/5359791de4b0be1e0c339798/1398372639062/sbx.jpg?format=500w

http://static1.squarespace.com/static/534d7de3e4b0703ad1ffd939/535597c4e4b0e10db1983a7a/5359791de4b0be1e0c339796/1398372651869/_MG_3394.jpg?format=750w

L Haney
January 11, 2015, 19:48
Integrals are just so much cooler than cans,...........

I think you summed up your argument quite well in your last sentence.

kev
January 11, 2015, 22:39
The TacSol barrel is good for keeping the OAL as short as possible but you've got to keep a .22 barrel down around 4 1/2" to keep most HiVel ammo sub-sonic. You'll still need to source sub-sonic ammo with that barrel.

The integrals probably aren't a top choice for a first suppressor or an 'only' suppressor, but once you've got a few muzzle cans in the stable it's really nice to branch out. I've got drawers full of muzzle cans that never see daylight. Maybe 15-20 integrals, both rifle and pistol along with a few centerfires and they're the only ones I shoot. This is all leftover stuff from when I was an SOT and buying examples of everything on the market but it's all from 10-15yrs ago. I'm not really up on what's current today, but I sure don't see many integrals around anymore.

stimpsonjcat
January 12, 2015, 11:29
You could always counter-bore the longer bbl to get velocity down.

K. Funk
January 12, 2015, 12:04
I have a 10/22 with a Shaw .920 barrel with threaded muzzle and a Ruger .22/45 MkIII Lite with a threaded muzzle. I switch a Tac 65 between the 2, very quick change. The 10/22 will shoot 1-2" groups at 100 yds and is very quiet with the right CCI reduced velocity ammo. I am very happy with both.

krf

W.E.G.
January 12, 2015, 13:44
You can go through all the Class 3 rigmarole, or you can just shoot standard velocity .22 LR through a standard length barrel.

Its not very loud.

Ruger already makes takedown models of the 10-22
http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/models.html

I guess the miniaturized-and-suppressed version is good for something.
I haven't figured out what yet though.

fnogger
January 12, 2015, 14:47
Have bought 8 bricks in the past 18 months of subsonic ammo, never paying more than 11 or 12 cents/round w/ shipping

SK Magazine, CCI SV, Sk Std+

Dunno if the Norma Tac-22 will be subsonic for you - the manufacturer (RWS) claims 1100fps, right on the border depending on ambient temps, but it sounds no different than CCI SV out of my target 10/22 (18" GM heavy barrel)

m60shooter
January 12, 2015, 16:02
i've had an integrally suppressed m77 ruger bolt action done by awc for years. it keeps all ammo subsonic since it's been drilled & shortened to relieve the gas pressure. i love it ! it's a squirrel killing sob, accurate as hell also. i do occasionally shoot subsonics thru it just for the added suppression but they tend to lead up the barrel real quick. i'd go with an integral suppressor rather than a thread on. but i'd make sure i;m getting a good one !

BigBoy1
January 14, 2015, 21:44
I have one .22 suppressor and since it threads on the extended barrels/adapters on the barrels, I have a total of 7 suppressed weapons and one suppressor. The two rifle with threaded barrels are the Ruger 10/22 and the .22LR STG44. The pistols with threaded muzzles are S&W 422, S&W 22A. Whitney Wolverine, Walther 22 and a SIG 220 .22LR Conversion kit. Why would anyone want an integral suppressor when you can swap it around and have fun with so many different weapons?

kev
January 15, 2015, 11:23
I started out liking integrals. Then I went through the muzzle can phase, threading everything I could find.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/kaveman9/LeftLine.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y70/kaveman9/RightLine.jpg

These are old pics,........I've done about twice that many now and still have a dozen to do, but I've lost interest in them. Went back to integrals.

Back when I was actively accumulating, integrals tended to be quieter although the newer generation muzzle cans are very good. Mostly I prefer the compactness and discreet visuals of the integral along with the unitary sight platform. It's a royal pain in the ass constantly working around sight/sight placement problems with muzzle cans.

Bernadelli
Astra Constable
?? Star FR Sport maybe??
Manhurin PP Sport(Walther clone)
Norinco Olympia(Walther clone)
Another Astra Constable
Star FR Sport(for sure)
Walther P22(worst handgun extant that's not a Lorcin)
Ruger(Serbu Siris Integral)
Another Olympia
High Standard B Integral
CZ Kadet
Glock 17 w/.22 conversion
Another Serbu Siris
Beretta whatever

I've done several more Rugers and High Standards and added a S&W422. Even found a Plainfield and probably a couple of strange Euro .22's nobody has ever heard of. I forget all what's been done, but I do know this,...........if I had to pare down the collection to just a few I could easily separate them into two groups,.........muzzle cans and integrals. I'd let all the cans go and keep all the integrals. I wouldn't even have to think about it.

MattK512
January 16, 2015, 18:05
Myself - I like cans...

and boobies which are also called cans but don't be mistaken - cans are quiet and boobies come with something that likes to talk - a lot.

But for .22 suppression - I like cans for sure.

For my .22 can it was important for me to have something that I would be able to switch between platforms quickly, easily and be able to fire rapidly. I don't like having my ability to suppress locking me into any single firearm. Since I have a trust and sons - the can is in the family forever/ as long as the factory warranty is valid. Guns come and go and after I've handed down the can one of my sons may want to run it on something else.

But my .22 suppressor is for funnsies - I can't help but giggle everytime it goes pew pew

so for me:

integrals < cans.
Trust are great for NFA
boobies :)