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jam762
January 05, 2015, 17:13
I'm a fan of the Woo but never really liked the look and feel of the short handguards on my DR200's. I had read threads & looked at pics of other HG's mounted on the Woo. Some using G3 HG, some using FAL, some mounting a HG hanger to the gas tube and so on.

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/AA709DBA-A1B3-4828-B1D1-23E3493818A7_zps5fzdbhwv.jpg

I decided to mount a set of Imbel(?) BC cut hg's that I picked up cheap on fleabay for $15 or so.

I didn't want to remove the front sling swivel so I notched the metal on the lower portion to allow use of the factory swivel.

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/46EFCF5B-8E2C-43C0-A63F-3512B97597C4_zps5wwkxo4v.jpg

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/75220E77-1DD5-4CAF-97F8-26F0F901E4F9_zpsgfnmqlq7.jpg

The metal had to be trimmed where they meet when the screw is installed.

The rear portion that inserts into the FAL HG ring needed to be trimmed a bit as well as the radius of the portion that countours around the gas tube.

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/066414A0-C5FA-46C9-81F5-85FB6245EF2D_zps3iyxa4w5.jpg

The problem was securing the HGs so they would not move out(come forward) of the grove in the receiver that the factory HGs set in. I didn't want to do any perm mods to the rifle so I decided that making a bracket from the factory HG hanger was the way to go.

I wanted to use something and easy to work with, soo aluminum was what I used. I picked up some 1/16"x1/2"x3' piece of flat stock, machine screws, nuts, washers & lock washers.

Rough cut the length & drilled a hole in one end. Attached the drilled end to the factory HG hanger with screw & nut. Mounted the right HG with HG screw to get the placement of the hole that needed to be drilled in the forward end of the bracket. Cut to needed length, drilled hole, rounded edges, painted black and waited a day or two to assemble.

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/B31FC041-6A2B-4A3B-945E-72CF68E14CE7_zpsylbzedal.jpg
http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/CD5151D7-ACB4-4091-B5A2-2EB3BC191808_zpsbit6pl0o.jpg

I had a few spare sets of Aussie laminate HGs and decided to mod & put them on my other Woo. These could use a little trimming where they contour around the gas tube at the receiver but slid into the HG grove in the receiver with no fitment required. The metal on the lower front still needed to be trimmed but was a small amount on both left & right sides where they meet.

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/9AE7C037-EB5A-4493-98BD-26F7F328378B_zpsniwm2ic1.jpg

I removed the sling swivel from this Woo, drilled and installed sling stud on the metal end of the left HG.

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/2E2B7B1F-7ADE-4F44-974A-AB3773AD8365_zpsx3rw1bjf.jpg

To keep the screw/nut from working lose, I used lock washers when attaching the bracket to the factory HG hanger. Once the bracket was in the right place, the nut was tightened and the through bolt of the HGs passed through the bracket into the left HG. It is a nice tight fit and once the HG screw is tightened, the HGs are very solid.

Here are some more pix...
http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/BCC63114-00F1-429F-B304-88FF3629C09D_zps7vs4fs1n.jpg
http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/A602F909-380F-4A72-8A1F-C2363A85770F_zps52g7hrot.jpg
http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/A0F60238-F795-42D3-A2D8-BAB52FD0F371_zpskyvgz5bn.jpg
http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/08296707-2D81-47E8-9E6C-DCC604289CC7_zps0xh2wmo6.jpg

The HGs go on & come off easily, actually easier than my FAL's.

littlehoot
January 05, 2015, 22:47
a very similar approach to what i've been considering

jam762
January 06, 2015, 11:31
Here's another option I thought of the other day...why I never thought about it before is beyond me.

Use some stranded #4 or #6 with burndy/t&b/panduit single hole non insulated lugs on both ends. It would a hell of a lot faster & easier to do.

I had/have the wire and lugs, just never thought about it.

I'll make one up & post a pic of it mounted.

jam762
January 07, 2015, 12:53
Here's a strap I made using #6 Telco Flex & a couple of burndy lugs. I straightened a 90 degree lug for the factory HG hanger end instead go using a straight tang and used a straight tang for the cross bolt/screw end.

It was a hell of a lot easier than making the bracket from flat stock. There are no worries of the wire coming out of the lug when properly crimped using TBM25's. Now to clean the tin coating on the lugs, paint, and put some heat shrink on the barrel of the lug to make everything black.

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/7E287683-1AD1-4AC4-A1A5-700CD86E129F-5955-00000AC99E6484FE_zpse055dd88.jpg

Airacuda
January 09, 2015, 08:13
I just got a hold of some FAL hand guards and am thinking that if I cut the hole for the sling mount very tight...this bracket should not be necessary. Someone please correct me if I am wrong. It seems the sling mt would keep the hg from moving. If it is hogged out too much then you would get movement?

jam762
January 09, 2015, 09:08
The sling swivel has a little play in it(needed for swiveling) so you'll get some forward movement and...the opening is going to chew on the swivel band with any movement of the sling swivel. Does your HGs have metal ends or are they USA made full plastic? If they were all plastic they may mar the park but wouldn't chew it up like the metal.

Lose HGs drive me nuts. My 556R had some play in them, I used a black pull tie in the HG retainer to take up the slack.

I think I remember seeing a post somewhere(maybe DRP) by s0b3 using a set of STG HGs on his. Maybe he could chime in & tell us how he mounted them.

s0b3
January 09, 2015, 14:50
The sling swivel has a little play in it(needed for swiveling) so you'll get some forward movement and...the opening is going to chew on the swivel band with any movement of the sling swivel. Does your HGs have metal ends or are they USA made full plastic? If they were all plastic they may mar the park but wouldn't chew it up like the metal.

Lose HGs drive me nuts. My 556R had some play in them, I used a black pull tie in the HG retainer to take up the slack.

I think I remember seeing a post somewhere(maybe DRP) by s0b3 using a set of STG HGs on his. Maybe he could chime in & tell us how he mounted them.]

on my STG set, i had to get another lug welded so i could use the STG screw location. it wasn't the easiest way.

jam762
January 10, 2015, 10:12
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on my STG set, i had to get another lug welded so i could use the STG screw location. it wasn't the easiest way.

Did you remove the sling swivel or cut the HGs?

s0b3
January 11, 2015, 01:43
Did you remove the sling swivel or cut the HGs?

removed it.

Airacuda
January 11, 2015, 16:17
Just mounted mine today. No bracket. Just cut the guards tight with no play. I rarely use a sling anyway.
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k534/Airacuda1/imagejpg1-2.jpg

jam762
January 12, 2015, 08:51
Looks great Airacuda. You'll have to sends some rounds down the pipe before you'll know if there is movement or not.

Peconga
January 12, 2015, 17:18
Lots of great ideas here :bow:

Have a question about the folding stock on the Woo with the Imbel HG in the OP above. What kind of stock is that? Has a sling eye on top, aluminum buttplate with the flip up shoulder rest, kinda looks like one from an early M249 SAW / FN Minimi but different web reinforcement. What is it?

jam762
January 12, 2015, 19:54
Lots of great ideas here :bow:

Have a question about the folding stock on the Woo with the Imbel HG in the OP above. What kind of stock is that? Has a sling eye on top, aluminum buttplate with the flip up shoulder rest, kinda looks like one from an early M249 SAW / FN Minimi but different web reinforcement. What is it?

It is fixed. It was on the rifle when I bought it a few years ago. I'm "assuming" it's an Ace with early adapter. Neither the adapter nor the stock say "Ace" but the interweb seems to think so.

I've seen pics of several pics of DR200's with the same stock & adapter but only a couple with the rest still intact for some reason.

Here a are the only 2 markings, one on the middle of the buttplate, the other on the toe(respectively):
FL85
9348378

12v71
January 12, 2015, 21:02
Just mounted mine today. No bracket. Just cut the guards tight with no play. I rarely use a sling anyway.
http://i1114.photobucket.com/albums/k534/Airacuda1/imagejpg1-2.jpg

Nice. Looks like it grew there. I'm thinking on mine, I'll try the Aussie laminates after removing the swivel. Then maybe try a set of Imbel NBC HGs if I don't have to mod them much. That should go nice with my FAL stock and pg. And yes... Pics when I get a new camera.:)

12v71
January 12, 2015, 21:05
Jam, do you have a center to center measurement for your strap? I know... I'm cheating. :whistling:

jam762
January 12, 2015, 22:26
I do not 12v. To complicate things, I used a 90 degree lug that I straightened for the factory HG hanger end. I could make another with straight tang lugs & give you the measurements and the part #'s but these are not lugs you can pick up at your big box store. If you're lucky, you might be able to find them at a graybox or granger...if your lucky. The telco's usually provide us with lugs & the engineers usually screw up & get them wrong. That's why I say if "if you're lucky". I pull lugs outta my box all the time to get jobs done.

Hell...12AWG with insulated lugs(stakons) would work "I think". You would just have to make sure that you had a good crimp. I don't put much faith in stakons, that's why I used non insulated lugs. I use these crimpers, T&B WT-145C for stakons & T&B TBM-145 for non insulated 6-2AWG. Anything above that I use TBM-15 or equivalent Batt tool.

I wouldnt care to make you one by my dimensions & sent it to you, shoot me a pm.

12v71
January 12, 2015, 22:55
I do not 12v. To complicate things, I used a 90 degree lug that I straightened for the factory HG hanger end. I could make another with straight tang lugs & give you the measurements and the part #'s but these are not lugs you can pick up at your big box store. If you're lucky, you might be able to find them at a graybox or granger...if your lucky. The telco's usually provide us with lugs & the engineers usually screw up & get them wrong. That's why I say if "if you're lucky". I pull lugs outta my box all the time to get jobs done.

Hell...12AWG with insulated lugs(stakons) would work "I think". You would just have to make sure that you had a good crimp. I don't put much faith in stakons, that's why I used non insulated lugs. I use these crimpers, T&B WT-145C for stakons & T&B TBM-145 for non insulated 6-2AWG. Anything above that I use TBM-15 or equivalent Batt tool.

I wouldnt care to make you one by my dimensions & sent it to you, shoot me a pm.
I've got the T&B crimper for 6-2awg and a ton of terminals to pick from, even have some 1/8" vinyl covered lanyard cable, hmmm...

jam762
January 13, 2015, 12:00
My measurement is 3-7/16" OC.

TBM-25's aren't a tool that everyone has in their tool box.

That cable will work, I think #10 is about 1/8" so if you have some #10 lugs, you have everything you need.

Like I said previously, I don't put much faith in ring terminal lugs(stakons). They aren't reliable if there is force exerted onto the wire and they are thin and weak. I have plenty of #10 double hole lugs that can be cut down if you don't have or have trouble finding them.

littlehoot
January 19, 2015, 21:44
If someone will post them for me, I have a couple of pictures using fal shorty handguards

jam762
January 20, 2015, 20:44
I'd like to see the shorty HGs on the Woo, do they line up with the factory HG hanger?

littlehoot
January 20, 2015, 22:23
send me your email ill shoot them to you.

They come close. IIRC, the difference is about 5/8 inch or so. I built a hanger similar to one of the first ones you posted above, used thin steel (1/8th I think), and a number 10 bolt that was 1 inch in length- I put a spacer in between the homemade "rails" a 1/4 spacer- 3/4 in length, iirc

jam762
January 21, 2015, 20:04
Littlehoot's Woo with shorts HGs.
Looks good bro!

http://i1327.photobucket.com/albums/u680/jam556/D0421222-3D21-42C8-BA63-495B4C81A4CF-13717-00001B3C096DE419_zps60b9461b.jpg

littlehoot
January 21, 2015, 21:43
I picked those hg's up just for this purpose. found them at knob creek for some outlandishly cheap price, and decided I could afford to mess them up if need be...