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Guy-epic
December 30, 2014, 15:06
So my FFL took in a 9mm shotgun that has about a 12 inch barrel. I have always wanted to buy it for two reasons. First I found ammo and it's not out of line prices, second it's really cool I will go get pics today if I can. What I want to know is I just read about a trapper being a C&R not having to get a tax stamp. Is this a possibility? I will get pics and info today I hope on the shotgun. Thanks

Artful
January 01, 2015, 09:48
You got any more info - make - year of mfg - History, anything?

fnogger
January 01, 2015, 13:43
Very possible. First check the list of "not nfa for sure" stuff, then the "not nfa for sure but we have to hold it to bless it as such" lists.

Check Section III of this PDF - https://www.atf.gov/files/publications/firearms/curios-relics/p-5300-11-firearms-curios-or-relics-list.pdf

That is the list of "it looks NFA but it is really just C&R" that the BATFE publishes. If it isn't on the list, then you gotta ask the BATFE and they may need it in their hands to determine (see the post about the guys 12" trapper carbine coming back recently)

Guy-epic
January 01, 2015, 20:06
Ok so it's a Winchester model 36 9mm shotgun. It's on the list as a C&R, so it's for sale at a local pawn shop cheap. My question is do I have to have a C&R to buy it or can I just buy it? Thanks guys it's super cool I want it bad, but I have sworn I would never get a C&R. That may change. My worry is the barrel length is 17 3/4 inches just shy of 18 it maybe 17 1/2 depends on how you measure. But it came that way from factory.

Artful
January 01, 2015, 20:08
You can just buy it. C&R only effects you in that you don't need to pay NFA money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=364I3mby1eM

Single shot bolt action rimfire - "Garden Shotgun"
17 3/8" BARREL - 4 lb
Fiocchi makes seasonal runns of 9mm rimfire ammo in 3 shot sizes.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/315615/fiocchi-specialty-ammunition-9mm-rimfire-flobert-7-1-2-shot-shotshell-box-of-50

Guy-epic
January 01, 2015, 22:04
You can just buy it. C&R only effects you in that you don't need to pay NFA money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=364I3mby1eM

Single shot bolt action rimfire - "Garden Shotgun"
17 3/8" BARREL - 4 lb
Fiocchi makes seasonal runns of 9mm rimfire ammo in 3 shot sizes.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/315615/fiocchi-specialty-ammunition-9mm-rimfire-flobert-7-1-2-shot-shotshell-box-of-50


Thanks after reading and talking with a friend this is what I thought I really wanted to hear someone else say it. Not holding you to it as that how I understood it after reading the very long and confusing C&R info. Gotta love the government! They make life so easy!

BigBoy1
January 03, 2015, 09:45
You can just buy it. C&R only effects you in that you don't need to pay NFA money.

Not True! If you purchase an NFA weapon with a C&R FFL, you must pay the transfer fee (tax). You can purchase C&R NFA weapons and have them transferred to your C&R FFL. It does not have to go through the Special Occupation Tax (SOT) FFL like an non-C&R NFA weapon.

Guy-epic
January 03, 2015, 22:50
Not True! If you purchase an NFA weapon with a C&R FFL, you must pay the transfer fee (tax). You can purchase C&R NFA weapons and have them transferred to your C&R FFL. It does not have to go through the Special Occupation Tax (SOT) FFL like an non-C&R NFA weapon.

Ok so that confused me I am not a C&R holder, so can I just buy it as if it was a regular shotgun? Or do I need to get my C&R? It is at a local used gun store. Thanks just trying to figure it out.

Artful
January 03, 2015, 23:53
Not True! If you purchase an NFA weapon with a C&R FFL, you must pay the transfer fee (tax). You can purchase C&R NFA weapons and have them transferred to your C&R FFL. It does not have to go through the Special Occupation Tax (SOT) FFL like an non-C&R NFA weapon.

What you talking about Willis????

It's on the list as a C&R - NOT NFA and it's at the local FFL dealer already

Jeez - read the thread :rolleyes:

Guy-epic
January 04, 2015, 16:38
What you talking about Willis????

It's on the list as a C&R - NOT NFA and it's at the local FFL dealer already

Jeez - read the thread :rolleyes:

Ok I haven't ever bought a short barrel firearm. So I am confused as bigboy1 said it wasn't true. I guess I just want to be sure I can buy it with out a C&R? Yes or No is all I need. If yes do I need any special forms, or pay a tax stamp? Just want to be clear.

Artful
January 05, 2015, 00:25
You don't need do anything special - just whatever your state/local laws and fill out 4473 for the fed's

Guy-epic
January 05, 2015, 11:41
Thanks