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andresere
December 25, 2014, 12:16
Assuming both the frame and the slide are in spec, why would the slide rest slightly forward of the frame when in battery? Cosmetically, it sucks. Mechanically, it shoots really good. Right up to the point I took it apart to clean it and found that because of the slide sitting farther forward, the hammer is causing peening on the frame (see shiny spots). It raised a little burr on both sides. It appears to have about 1/32" step between feed ramp and barrel.

Could a barrel link of the wrong length do this? It would seem to me yes.

http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/andresere/slideframefir002_zps7828c851.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/andresere/media/slideframefir002_zps7828c851.jpg.html)
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CG&L
December 25, 2014, 12:28
Normal in every build

PM sent

andresere
December 25, 2014, 14:55
Looking closer at the back of the barrel legs, I think this poster on 1911 forums is on the right track. Everything he is saying applies to this pistol....



"The hammer hitting the frame. The barrel forward of the feed ramp. The thumb safety leaving a gap when engaged in the slide "V" notch and the slide forward of the frame when in battery. These are all evidence that the lower barrel legs are cut too far."

ByronF
December 25, 2014, 19:42
Seems like I to me also. Link affect vertical position of barrel when in battery. Axial position is determined by barrel legs and location of slide lock cross-drilling in frame. Is this a RIA? Looks like mine except for your lockup problem. If factory barrel they'll probably fix it. If messed up after mfg then probably not. But the RIA replacement t barrels are something like $60.

ByronF
December 25, 2014, 19:44
My hammer is trimmed like yours too!

pl521
December 25, 2014, 23:55
I agree with post #3, too much metal taken off the barrel lower lugs caused the slide assembly forward of the frame.

andresere
December 26, 2014, 05:38
I think I will go with this barrel.
http://www.brownells.com/handgun-parts/barrel-parts/barrels/1911-auto-drop-in-match-barrels-prod1360.aspx

pl521
January 06, 2015, 07:34
If you're getting good accuracy on current barrel, another option is to have the barrel lower lug welded to add metal and hard fit it.

MAINER
January 06, 2015, 10:56
Andresere, in the bottom pic, the position of the lower barrel face to the feed ramp looks about right. There should be a small "shelf" there, ideally 1/32" or .030", but at least .025".

andresere
January 06, 2015, 11:04
It looks as it should according to the 1911 book I have. I talked with Gunplumber about it, and I will be taking it to him when my Ed Brown barrel gets here. His thoughts were the barrel link, or the barrel legs are out of spec or not fitted, which makes perfect sense as this is a brand new frame. Why the hell I assumed it would just go together, I do not know. :facepalm: But the plunger tube staking job didn't fall apart, so I got that going for me. :hobbesdancing:

MAINER
January 06, 2015, 11:40
I wish you luck. I've built several 1911's in the past, but don't have the patience or eyesight to do it again. Colt built my latest 1911 and did a pretty dang good job of it too in my opinion. :)

The contours at the back of the slide where it meets the frame look totally incompatible with each other to me. It doesn't look like you would be able to blend the slide/frame in that area. As said, I wish you luck on that build.

A 1911 is always worth the trouble. :beer:

andresere
January 06, 2015, 11:47
That's what Gunplumber gets paid the big bucks for. I have had many people tell me to get rid of it and just buy a new one. I could do that, but I am having fun and learning a lot about the pistol as I go. I could have bought a brand new Harley, but I learned a hell of a lot more and 'have' a hell of a lot more with this one.
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/andresere/1984%20FXSB/1669826_10203360268393862_579198946_o_zpsa25907be. jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/andresere/media/1984%20FXSB/1669826_10203360268393862_579198946_o_zpsa25907be. jpg.html)

oleblu72
January 06, 2015, 13:19
That's what Gunplumber gets paid the big bucks for. I have had many people tell me to get rid of it and just buy a new one. I could do that, but I am having fun and learning a lot about the pistol as I go. I could have bought a brand new Harley, but I learned a hell of a lot more and 'have' a hell of a lot more with this one.
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/andresere/1984%20FXSB/1669826_10203360268393862_579198946_o_zpsa25907be. jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/andresere/media/1984%20FXSB/1669826_10203360268393862_579198946_o_zpsa25907be. jpg.html)


You must have just put your pipes on or you do a pretty thorough job of cleaning your shovel I don't see the usual crap at the end of the pipes. What year is the bike looks like its in pretty nice shape. I bought an old 63 Pan last year that I've been putting back together.

Mark

andresere
January 06, 2015, 13:30
I did just put them on. It's a Late 1984 FXSB. Last year for the FXSB, and pretty much last year for the Shovel as well. Not a Holy Grail or anything, but a pretty rare bike with original engine, trans and paint.

Guy-epic
January 06, 2015, 13:39
S&S the way they breath! Love it

andresere
January 06, 2015, 13:48
I ended up changing the SnS out for a Screaming Eagle CV44 carb. The bike was a one kick bike with the SnS (one kick after another and another and another), but the CV made it a true one kicker. :D

idsubgun
January 07, 2015, 02:07
No wonder your pistol is fugged up! You ride a POS Harley! Sell it and get a Jap bike!

:tongue:


:whistling:

andresere
January 07, 2015, 05:45
Why would I want a POS Jap bike when I have this?
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/andresere/Heidi/RT2_zps72fb2e1e.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/andresere/media/Heidi/RT2_zps72fb2e1e.jpg.html)

idsubgun
January 07, 2015, 07:10
Why would I want a POS Jap bike when I have this?
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll166/andresere/Heidi/RT2_zps72fb2e1e.jpg (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/andresere/media/Heidi/RT2_zps72fb2e1e.jpg.html)

I would own a Beemer like that but my body wouldn't fit it. My back doesn't bend easily anymore. LOLWhy do you think I bought that Ultra Limited last year? Body's beat up from almost 50 years on these things.
Have many friends that ride Beemers back home, including the owner of the BMW shop, but they tend to ride older BMW's.
I've thought about a BMW Dual Sport but not sure what I'd do with it now I'm in Missouri. There isn't the open public lands like there is out west.

andresere
January 07, 2015, 07:14
If you haven't watched "Long Way Around" and Long Way Down" you're missing out on what a Beemer DS can do. They are amazing bikes.
My wife and I put almost 2000 miles on this bike in about 7 days. It is a keeper. I rarely ride the Harleys any more.

idsubgun
January 07, 2015, 07:20
I know they're a nice bike but my body doesn't like sitting like that. Back bent forward, and feet under my butt, I'd have to have someone take me off it, and straighten me out! It's 41 years this year on Harleys, with my back leaning back slightly and feet out in front.

andresere
January 07, 2015, 07:26
The GT is more of a crotch rocket seating, but the RT you actually sit straight up. An aftermarket piece on this bike are folding highway pegs, if you look on the cylinder heads (the black part in the center). They cover the spark plug leads, but fold forward and allow you to put your feet up and forward. I tried that once - the shift from them to the controls was awkward to say the least.:uhoh:

hueyville
January 08, 2015, 22:05
Our 1973 FLH Shovelhead. Torn down and frame up restoration done ~20 years ago.

http://www.crowderinc.com/images/motorcycles/shovelhead/73_09.jpg

Our 1978 FLH "Whatever you want it to be" I love late 60's through late 70's look but the '73 four speed can wear a person down on a long ride. I split the frame into four pieces so could stretch it vertically to fit an Evo and modified a primary to fit a six speed transmission. Bike has flathead, nucklehead, panhead, shovelhead, evo and twinkie parts. Except for Harley factory crate motor (with some moderate upgrades) and six speed transmission, almost every part had to be modified to fit. Was a gas to build and more fun to ride, especially when scooter folk look at it with confusion trying to figure out what it is.

http://www.crowderinc.com/images/motorcycles/1978flh/DSCN2536.jpg

2007 Roadking. 96 inch stage one and six speed. Had to be de EPA'd like a new FAL has to be fixed but dang nice putt to ride now.

http://www.crowderinc.com/images/motorcycles/rides/blueridgepkwy06_08.jpg

People can debate the American, Japanese, German, etc deal all they want. If a person chose bikes and guns strictly by a single set of criteria both hobbies would be boring. Ridden Goldwings and are nice but dang expensive and heavy, BMW's both dual sport, sport and sporterized cruisers, Hiabusa which scared me silly along with CBR 900 RR and lots of Jap liter bikes. I want to pack a couple weeks supplies and then cruise mostly near the speed limit with ability to crack the throttle a little if mood hits me. Mainly its something the wife and I did together and enjoyed. Hoping the docs can get her back riding soon and if not going to put a sidecar on the Roadking so she does not have to keep it balanced at stop signs and redlight with her crushed foot.