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DesertFALrat
December 12, 2014, 18:14
Does anyone know how long it takes to get an opinion from ATF on a Winchester 94 Trapper?

Is it a long wait.... like getting a stamp approved?

I sent one in for a C&R status inquiry about 2 months ago.
I sent it in with a nice letter and a return shipping label as well.


dfr

SAFN49
December 12, 2014, 18:31
6 months if you are lucky. I have been waiting on determination for about a year. The problem is the tech branch guys and gals, there are only a few of them, also represent the ATF in ALL court cases as expert witnesses. So depending on case load it can be a while.

DesertFALrat
December 28, 2014, 16:33
Update: Good news!
I got the letter early last week. Approved as a C&R and off the NFA.

Just waiting for it to be shipped back.

ftierson
December 28, 2014, 16:55
Update: Good news!
I got the letter early last week. Approved as a C&R and off the NFA.

Just waiting for it to be shipped back.

Great news... :)

Forrest

E5c03
December 28, 2014, 17:21
?? Was this in actuality a SBR? or a converted "Mare's Leg" ?

Every Winchester trapper I ever got had a 16" barrel,(minumually) full stock.
Just curious why involve BATF?

Andy the Aussie
December 28, 2014, 17:27
?? Was this in actuality a SBR? or a converted "Mare's Leg" ?

Every Winchester trapper I ever got had a 16" barrel,(minumually) full stock.
Just curious why involve BATF? .... there were Trappers made (originals) with much shorter than 16 inch barrels, my guess it is one of these.

nopec
December 28, 2014, 19:13
More info on this rarity please!!! Caliber? age? Factory or a cutdown? Thanks

AliYahu
December 28, 2014, 20:49
IIRC, the original 'Trapper' models were 10"-14" barrels and designed to shoot trapped animals at close range - hence the name. They never were very common, though, I suspect a lot were scrapped/re-barreled/buried/etc. due to NFA-34.

Eli

kev
December 28, 2014, 20:57
If it was determined to be C&R then it was definitely factory original and not a cutdown, nor anything modern.

DesertFALrat
December 28, 2014, 23:20
That's correct. This is a factory 14" saddle ring carbine. All of these must be individually certified by the tech branch and a letter issued to be removed from the NFA.

It's marked caliber 30 WCF, and was probably made sometime around 1907.

andresere
December 30, 2014, 14:01
Please post pictures, so we can all drool over it. :biggrin:

nopec
December 30, 2014, 18:07
Call me crazy but I'm so glad it's not a 25-20 or 25-35. Then I'd have yet another grail to find.

That's correct. This is a factory 14" saddle ring carbine. All of these must be individually certified by the tech branch and a letter issued to be removed from the NFA.

It's marked caliber 30 WCF, and was probably made sometime around 1907.

DesertFALrat
January 22, 2015, 13:53
Finally got it back from the BATFE.

Here are the pics:

As you can see it isn't in great condition, and the stock is unusable.
But it is all there.

Any one have any idea of value?

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=78535&stc=1&d=1421960597

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=78536&stc=1&d=1421960597

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=78537&stc=1&d=1421960597

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=78538&stc=1&d=1421960597

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=78539&stc=1&d=1421960597

SAFN49
January 22, 2015, 15:44
How's the barrel?

DesertFALrat
January 22, 2015, 16:46
The barrel is nice actually. Lots of rifling and no real pitting of any kind.

SAFN49
January 22, 2015, 17:02
Well with the condition of the wood, rear sight, exterior of the metal and missing the saddle ring I think it will be well below the $4000 mark. Maybe the $1500+ range, sorry. Condition and the ATF letter is everything on these. The caliber is a plus though.

Story
January 22, 2015, 17:07
As you can see it isn't in great condition, and the stock is unusable.
But it is all there.


When you say 'unusable', is that because of the missing chunk or is the buttstock otherwise damaged/loose?
Saddle ring & bar are missing.
Otherwise, looks 'comfortable'.

DesertFALrat
January 22, 2015, 19:39
The stock is cracked in multiple ways and missing some material making it extremely loose/unsafe.

It was taped up when I received it but was solid enough to probably use. I removed the tape so ATF could see the tang markings. It is pretty bad, really not something you would want to use. Keep it for originality, yes.

The saddle ring has been ground flat.

I figured a $1500 value was about right. Good to hear a confirmation on that number.

Perhaps an original stock of similar age and perhaps a saddle ring could be procured...? Perhaps not?

SAFN49
January 22, 2015, 20:45
Perhaps an original stock of similar age and perhaps a saddle ring could be procured...? Perhaps not?

Find a cheap old saddle ring rifle and take the parts you need to restore yours.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=463390567
I think with old parts and a reblue you could get the price up there.

Saddle ring http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=464403448

Repo stock http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=464280161

Jaxxas
January 22, 2015, 23:12
I've seen this old rifle, it's a really cool old rifle as it is. Value be damned. If it were mine I would probably hang it on a wall. Maybe if I could source a NOS stock for it and a near original saddle ring I'd dress it up a bit and shoot it occasionally, but I wouldn't muck it up with new stuff.

YMMV

Story
January 22, 2015, 23:43
I wouldn't reblue.

Clean, replace buttstock with a better condition vintage one (although I'd like to see detail shots of it, dismount. Could be re-built?)