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SAFN49
October 11, 2014, 23:14
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Andy the Aussie
October 11, 2014, 23:19
About all they ARE useful for after all..... nice to see they ironed out all the issues in this silly design with the BHP..... :p :p ;)

Artful
October 11, 2014, 23:32
nice to see they ironed out all the issues in this silly design with the BHP..... :p :p ;)

Well almost - but they only made it up to size .40 cal

:whistling:

Arik
October 13, 2014, 10:46
Lol! If you want to open beers with a gun you don't need to spend so much money on a 1911, just buy a Makarov.

raubvogel
October 21, 2014, 10:15
I thought that's what volvo 740 door strikers were for..

moonbat60
October 21, 2014, 16:51
About all they ARE useful for after all..... nice to see they ironed out all the issues in this silly design with the BHP..... :p :p ;)

I wish someone would have upscaled the BHP and made it in .45cal.

Don't tell me it is already out there as a para ord P14-45 or 14-45 LDA. It ain't the same.

homelandprotector
October 23, 2014, 07:15
QUOTE=moonbat60;3935126]I wish someone would have upscaled the BHP and made it in .45cal.

Don't tell me it is already out there as a para ord P14-45 or 14-45 LDA. It ain't the same.[/QUOTE]

They make them in 40. and are quite common. I think 40 is a more potent round then the 45. anyways.

Did I say that ?? :uhoh::uhoh::shitstorm:[

gunplumber
October 23, 2014, 09:23
About all they ARE useful for after all..... nice to see they ironed out all the issues in this silly design with the BHP..... :p :p ;)

This - John Browning corrected all his 1,911 mistakes . . .

xtremerange
October 23, 2014, 13:13
You could probably do the same with a CZ52 pistol. Probably why some people prefer to Tok.

nearmisses
November 23, 2014, 14:39
Just came across this thread and had to laugh. When I was a young pup I read an article about the BHP and wanted one real bad because JMB had further refined the 1911-A1 pistol into what it should have been all along. I even remember reading a biography of his life stating the original intent of his BHP design was going to be around 40-41 caliber but like our beloved FAL the caliber was re-designated and 9mm was chose. I have no doubt had some enlightened designer taken the BHP and made it big enough for the 45acp or a 40/10mm based cartridge they would have made millions, IF the ergonomics were right! Any volunteers?

quicksand
November 23, 2014, 16:17
Just came across this thread and had to laugh. When I was a young pup I read an article about the BHP and wanted one real bad because JMB had further refined the 1911-A1 pistol into what it should have been all along. I even remember reading a biography of his life stating the original intent of his BHP design was going to be around 40-41 caliber but like our beloved FAL the caliber was re-designated and 9mm was chose. I have no doubt had some enlightened designer taken the BHP and made it big enough for the 45acp or a 40/10mm based cartridge they would have made millions, IF the ergonomics were right! Any volunteers?

Are you suggesting the BHP would be more prolific had it been chambered in something besides 9mm?

E5c03
November 23, 2014, 18:09
You do know Budweisers are twist offs?

Now if that was a Stone IPA.....or any REAL beer......

gunplumber
November 23, 2014, 18:23
Now if that was a Stone IPA.....or any REAL beer......

My new favorite . . . doesn't have the funky aftertaste of Arrogant Bastard -which was still good enough that I forgave them for stealing my name.

wayne1967
November 23, 2014, 19:16
QUOTE=moonbat60;3935126]I wish someone would have upscaled the BHP and made it in .45cal.

Don't tell me it is already out there as a para ord P14-45 or 14-45 LDA. It ain't the same.

They make them in 40. and are quite common. I think 40 is a more potent round then the 45. anyways.

Did I say that ?? :uhoh::uhoh::shitstorm:[[/QUOTE]

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E5c03
November 23, 2014, 20:44
My new favorite . . . doesn't have the funky aftertaste of Arrogant Bastard -which was still good enough that I forgave them for stealing my name.

Was gonna mention Arrogant Bastard,,
,still got a 3qt5.4oz Double Bastard in fridge

nearmisses
November 23, 2014, 23:38
Are you suggesting the BHP would be more prolific had it been chambered in something besides 9mm?

Quicksand, I am not suggesting anything of the sort, they are prolific as hell now. I believe if it was chambered in 45acp it would have been a better stopper. It was made in 40 cal. still is I believe or you can find them but a 45acp would have been the more popular round. I had a Hi Power, loved the gun, hated the caliber. S&W made the 645 years back and they were too bulky and I don't like DA. Had the BHP been made in 45 I would have bought one. I would love to see someone scale one up on one of those 3D printers in plastic and see if it would be viable. I know there were some questions as to the 40 cal. version being a bit thin. Never saw any technical reports or such on one but I imagine the barrels were a might thin. I had the money once or twice to buy a 40 cal. version but never did see the need once I had a nice 1911. Just didn't seem worth the trouble, as much as I liked the feel of a BHP. Everyone is different.

MJ1
December 10, 2014, 19:45
At the sharp end you would prefer the .45

Invictus77
December 10, 2014, 19:51
Why a 45?

Because shooting twice is just silly :)

hueyville
December 10, 2014, 22:10
I am a died in the wool 1911 45 acp guy. Well over a dozen of them. But, my two in 38 super are not slouches by any means. I have never been a fan of the 9mm caliber. I do own five BHP's and shoot them regular. One of my shop range pistols is a BHP and shot 2 to 3 days per week. I have two shop range 1911's. I usually shoot 100 9mm from BHP and 200 45 acp from 1911's every week. I round up my centerfire with 100 38 spe ial from a well worn Diamondback and a S&W M19. Shoot minimum 50 22 lr pistol and 50 22 lr offhand rifle. Usually bring one or two odd guns from vault when remember just to keep my body remembering their ergonomics. Unless miss work due to doctors try to keep my 500 rounds per week. Usually three weeks month all I meet goal.

All that said, my daily carry is a SIG 2022 in 40. Nothing about the gun is on my desire list. Dont like DAO first round but SA followups are fine. It holds 12 rounds in mag so with gun in holster and one spare mag on belt have 24 rounds of 40 on person at all times. I hate polymer guns too. Least the 2022 has stainless slide riding in metal rails. Almost everything about the SIG is not what I prefer. Half plastic, bastard caliber and cant carry cocked and locked. BUT, after shooting and carrying for a year its a darn fine daily carry tool. Lots of bullets with only one spare mag, bigger than pansy 9mm and very safe to operate. Safety doesnt accidently get flipped off crawling under truck or in attic as has no safety. I can manage the crappy long DA pull for first round then next 23 rounds are going to keep busting @ss if needed. If someone told me would be carrying poly framed da/sa 40 two years ago would have called them crazy. Once shot the SIG it just keeps following me out the door every morning...

nearmisses
December 14, 2014, 02:11
They make them in 40. and are quite common. I think 40 is a more potent round then the 45. anyways.

Did I say that ?? :uhoh::uhoh::shitstorm:[

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That IS a REAL nice looking 40 BHP! Most I have seen look like the frame is painted and cast. That one looks like a reg. 9mm BHP blued steel and all. I guess if I had to do it all over I might could learn to like a 40, nah! I love the 1911 trigger and it just fits. I'll stick with what I know but if one came a long real inexpensive like I could be tempted.

randyj
January 04, 2015, 14:02
I used to carry a Sig 220 in .45. I really don't care for DA pistols, prefer the 1911 single action, but in a carry pistol like the 220 theres no safety to forget or fumble for. kinda like a revolver first shot, no bs just aim and shoot then better well placed secondary shots if needed. decock and reholster when the threat is stopped.

rj

Bug Tussell
July 01, 2015, 13:42
The 1911 was light years ahead of what was available when it was invented.

The BHP improved on the 1911 but I still like a .45 caliber.

And the CZ has improved on the BHP.

But the FNP45 surpasses them all.

Invictus77
July 01, 2015, 15:44
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L Haney
July 01, 2015, 15:54
In the dark, running through a building that may have people I need to shoot, I want a 1911.

Because I'll shoot them with it.

I won't have to puzzle out the controls, the sights, the grip angle as relates to me shooting them. I'll just shoot them.

And it will put half inch holes all the way through them.

If I need to reload, I know that drill in my sleep. I'm pretty smooth at it. I can do it from a hip pocket.

Because I've handled this pistol for forty years. I KNOW the damn thing at this point.

Invictus77
July 01, 2015, 16:02
In the dark, running through a building that may have people I need to shoot, I want a 1911. I KNOW the damn thing at this point.

:cheers:

J. Armstrong
July 01, 2015, 16:05
I used to carry a Sig 220 in .45. I really don't care for DA pistols, prefer the 1911 single action, but in a carry pistol like the 220 theres no safety to forget or fumble for. kinda like a revolver first shot, no bs just aim and shoot then better well placed secondary shots if needed. decock and reholster when the threat is stopped.

rj

If you can't learn one simple operation like the 1911 safety, then perhaps you should not be handling a weapon at all ? Hell, it's easier than adapting to the shitty first pull of a DA/SA.;)

ETA, I actually do think it is always good to carry whatever it is that you are most comfortable with and shoot the best. I get that. I find the "remembering the thumb safety is too hard" argument to be a poor excuse if'n that's all ya got :) Plus I'm an olde farte, I don't trust decockers even a little bit.

Just sayin.

Delta-3
July 01, 2015, 16:41
In the dark, running through a building that may have people I need to shoot, I want a 1911.

Because I'll shoot them with it.

I won't have to puzzle out the controls, the sights, the grip angle as relates to me shooting them. I'll just shoot them.

And it will put half inch holes all the way through them.

If I need to reload, I know that drill in my sleep. I'm pretty smooth at it. I can do it from a hip pocket.

Because I've handled this pistol for forty years. I KNOW the damn thing at this point.

AMEN!!

DJ
July 01, 2015, 16:57
In the dark, running through a building that may have people I need to shoot, I want a 1911.

Because I'll shoot them with it.

I won't have to puzzle out the controls, the sights, the grip angle as relates to me shooting them. I'll just shoot them.

And it will put half inch holes all the way through them.

If I need to reload, I know that drill in my sleep. I'm pretty smooth at it. I can do it from a hip pocket.

Because I've handled this pistol for forty years. I KNOW the damn thing at this point.

Absolutely! Well said!
I've fired thousands of rounds of .45 out of various 1911s over the past 40 years.
I shoot a 1911 well.
I trust the 1911.
I trust the .45 acp.
If I need a POS put down, I know I can trust the 1911 and the .45acp to do it.

genmeagher
July 01, 2015, 20:31
I don't think I've ever picked up a sidearm before and instinctively felt it become such a familiar extension of my body as I have with the 1911.

Even before when I was restricted to a 10 (ten) round magazine in NY, I carried the 1911 because it just "fit".

It may not be perfect, but it is perfect for me.

Bug Tussell
July 02, 2015, 09:59
They make them in 40. and are quite common. I think 40 is a more potent round then the 45. anyways.

Did I say that ?? :uhoh::uhoh::shitstorm:[


WHAT ?????!!!!! HE SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY BANNED FOR SUCH HERESY!!!!!!

Douglas S Graham
July 02, 2015, 16:49
Haney, you shootin' round ball outta' yours!! Hollow points on exit should be more than 1/2 and inch!! I have some Black Talons in my 1911. Nasty shiiiite.:rofl:

Tuhlmann
July 02, 2015, 21:03
..... I don't trust decockers even a little bit.

Just sayin.


I agree totally. It's one of the things about the M9 that just sets my teeth on edge every time I see/hear it. No bueno!

L Haney
July 02, 2015, 21:34
Haney, you shootin' round ball outta' yours!!

Mostly. 230 grain full patch. Do have some cast up in pewter on the H&G 200 grain mold. They defeat body armor. Recoil on those is just a bit above full house 230's. The velocity ain't in the same ballpark.

Probably hard on the gun.

MACV
July 02, 2015, 22:22
I have several 1911s. 1911's are great pistols. The 45 is a great round. 7-8 rounds is plenty if you don't plan on ever missing in an extremely stressful situation. I prefer a few more rounds in the mag when I carry.

bubbaguns
July 04, 2015, 11:39
I wish someone would have upscaled the BHP and made it in .45cal.

Don't tell me it is already out there as a para ord P14-45 or 14-45 LDA. It ain't the same.

Isn't there a FEG Hungarian clone of the HP in 45 cal?

L Haney
July 04, 2015, 12:11
I prefer a few more rounds in the mag when I carry.

If you can't stuff a reload mag in before the empty hits the ground, without thinking about it, you been slacking.

Bawana jim
July 04, 2015, 19:47
Browning came up with the 1911 for Americans then had to come up with something even the French could handle in the High Power. Pretty sure it was a Frenchman that finished Browning HP design after he died

bubbaguns
July 04, 2015, 21:10
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieudonn%C3%A9_Saive

Bawana jim
July 04, 2015, 22:38
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browning_Hi-Power

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieudonn%C3%A9_Saive

I stand corrected...

Artful
July 06, 2015, 12:29
Isn't there a FEG Hungarian clone of the HP in 45 cal?

FEG did produce a DA/SA gun bearing an exterior resemblence to the High-Power, but the action and internals as I recall were pretty much a copycat of Smith & Wesson automatics. Used 1911 mag's I think.
http://www.pakguns.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=28147&stc=1&d=1390058546

Out of Blake Stevens' excellent book The Browning High Power Automatic Pistol;" Basically, in 1959, a private company, the North American Arms Company of Toronto (NAACO) produced one prototype of a .45 caliber pistol modeled on the High-Power called the Brigadier, but with a modular en bloc removable action. The .45 NAACO cartridge was much longer and more powerful than the .45 ACP cartridge, propelling a 230 gr bullet at some 1,600 fps, for 1,304 lbs of muzzle energy. The gun featured an alloy frame, and a substitutable long barrel which enabled the receiver to be used in a automatic carbine stock set-up (not dissimilar to some of the current ones available for Glock receivers); the ensuing gun was called the Borealis.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/47/NAACO-Brigadier.jpg

No orders resulted, and the company quickly went bankrupt. I have no idea whether the lack of orders came from the fear of possible litigation from FN, or due to an intrinsic lack of interest in the NAACO Brigadier (and/or the NAACO .45 cartridge) itself. The cartridge survived to become the .45 Winchester Magnum cartridge.

johndoe
July 06, 2015, 23:04
Haney, you shootin' round ball outta' yours!! Hollow points on exit should be more than 1/2 and inch!! I have some Black Talons in my 1911. Nasty shiiiite.:rofl:
Me too! I wish I had more! I keep black talens in both my 1911 45 and glock9mm:uhoh:

MACV
July 07, 2015, 21:51
If you can't stuff a reload mag in before the empty hits the ground, without thinking about it, you been slacking.

Hard to do all that without spilling my beer.

nearmisses
July 08, 2015, 13:05
I wish I had bought more of those Aguila IQ rounds when they were only 12 bucks for 20, they sure want a whole bunch for those on GB and they shoot so well in Detonics, shorties and such. I guess those DRT rd.s are similar but not quite the same. Anyway, if I ever win the lotto I will build a real copy of a BHP in 45acp. The FEG doesn't appeal to me, didn't like the 59 or 39 smith. Don't like DA/SA guns. I hate hammer drop safeties, they break with awful results. Cocked and locked, ready to go. Glocks make great pistols for the masses but lousy hammers when you need one. They just fit is why I love the 1911.

hueyville
July 09, 2015, 23:28
I wish I had bought more of those Aguila IQ rounds when they were only 12 bucks for 20, they sure want a whole bunch for those on GB and they shoot so well in Detonics, shorties and such. I guess those DRT rd.s are similar but not quite the same. Anyway, if I ever win the lotto I will build a real copy of a BHP in 45acp. The FEG doesn't appeal to me, didn't like the 59 or 39 smith. Don't like DA/SA guns. I hate hammer drop safeties, they break with awful results. Cocked and locked, ready to go. Glocks make great pistols for the masses but lousy hammers when you need one. They just fit is why I love the 1911.

Which incarnation of the Detonics are you talking about the first incarnation, second, third or final?I have examples of the first three companies flying the Detonics flag. Have two of the originals from Seattle, WA, two Arizona pistols, two Georgia and purchased one of the new Illinois pistols just to complete the collection though preferred the Seattle and Georgia guns. Have stainless with plain sites, blue steel and stainless with white outline and orange insert front ramp and a blue steel frame with stainless slide model. Unique little pieces of history like Randal 45's. Seeing original magazines sell for $250 to $400 blows my mind. Think often of leaving one original with each pistol and selling my spares but feel may live to regret it. Love the bushing less design and simplicity. Small size was handy too. Like my original Randal's becoming too valuable to carry and shoot though still do.

The Detonics had to be the inspiration for the Quadralock barrel design. This old U.S. Property ended up with a quadralock back when G I guns were not anything special to worry about leaving original. This is one of my best shooting 45's of all time.

http://www.coolclimbing.com/images/guns/pistols/quadralockgmodel01.jpg

http://www.coolclimbing.com/images/guns/pistols/quadralockgmodel08.jpg

Taking the bushing out of the gun and fitting muzzle to slide was a better idea. Don't know why it's not done more. Of all my 45's the Randal below is my favorite.

http://www.coolclimbing.com/images/guns/pistols/randall45knife01.jpg

My consecutive serial numbered left and right hand Randal's been told worth five figures as only two other consecutive serial number lefty/righty sets ever made. Keep at bank so not tempted to wear when going out on the town for dress as would be tempted beyond control to shoot. Would like to build some copies to shoot and drag through mud.