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J. Armstrong
September 24, 2014, 22:29
Finally got the scope mounted on the Gunsite Scout and got a chance to try it out yesterday.

Took about 30 rounds to get the scope where I wanted fore and aft and to get it zeroed. Then put 20 rounds out for group. At 100 yards I got a smidge under 2". This might sound mediocre but considering I hadn't shot a rifle in almost a year ( I know, I know - shame on me :( ), wasn't trying my very best, and was shooting South African surplus, I'm well pleased. If I had known she was going to do that well, I would have settled in and gotten serious. As it was, ran out of time, so now I want to get back soonest and see what she will really do if I step up to the plate and maybe also try some nice handloads that my last bolt gun really liked. In retrospect I know my cheekweld wasn't consistent, which is a reminder not to let myself go so long without practice. I've never been a wizard at teensy little groups anyway, but I could tell I wasn't up to snuff. I am suitably chastened !!

All in all, I like the rifle a lot. Nice and light and handy, very nice trigger. The action is a little rough yet and at first the bolt would bind a little on closing if you put a little side pressure on it, but that got better after I brought it home and cleaned up a few rough spots on the rails and worked the action a bunch. As expected, no malfunctions. I expected the recoil to be a little more than with a FAL, but if it was, I didn't really notice. I think she'll be a keeper.

I'm figuring that she should do about 1.5 moa or so pretty easily if I do my part, which is plenty good enough to make me happy. I'd love to see what the critter would do for one of you guys with better benchrest skillz than I.

gunplumber
September 25, 2014, 10:10
Sounds great. I don't care what your best 3 round group of the day is. 2" spread for 20 rds is awesome.

chet
September 25, 2014, 11:59
Overall. I like the Ruger Hawkeye action. Mine was a little rough out of the box new, as well. I did a couple of sessions of 1000+ cycles while watching some tube and smoothed it up the cheap way.

J. Armstrong
September 25, 2014, 12:00
Thanks ! To tell the truth, as I mentioned I didn't feel like I was doing all that well, but wasn't concerned as this was just a trial run and set-up, When we got the target I was pretty surprised.

The more I think about it, while I still think the little Scout can do better on three or five shot groups, getting the nice tight 20 round hole might be a once in a lifetime for me - there's just too many chances for me to screw up !!! I need to drag the little critter out again and see if this was just luck :) You watch, I'll go out and make a conscious effort to do as well as possible, and I'll end up with holes spread all over the paper ;)

The forward scope mount seems to work fine for me - pretty easy to adapt to. In the interest of lightness, I just used Leupold low QD rings. I had an ADM mount, but the extra weight, although not much, seemed to be very noticeable out front like that. The rings were also a little lower, which seemed like a good idea at first, but the little extra height of the ADM would put the cheekweld a little closer to that of my SCAR and scoped FALs. I'm a little reticent to tinker after the results with the rings, though:D

I also need to try the scope setup under varying lighting conditions.One member here made the interesting observation that under some backlit conditions, he got glare off of the ocular which interfered with the sight picture. Seems like a distinct possibility, so I need to run that down, too.

gunplumber
September 25, 2014, 12:07
I hate golf. I'm actually kindof good at it, because my dad would beat me into competence. "Keep your head down!" (Wack!)

But I think there is a corollary between competitive shooting and golf.

It doesn't matter how good one shot is. What matters is the cumulative good over 75 shots.

One of my mentors, Phil Arrington, is a long-time Camp Perry shooter. I was relating how difficult my last shot on beautiful 10 round string was, and his remarks stuck. He told me that my last shot is no more or no less significant than any other. I had to put out of mind the previous 9, and think of this as just another shot - no different than my first.

Other analogies come to mind. A congresscritter casts the deciding vote to much elation or disappointment. HE gets credited or blamed for the bill's passage or failure. But his vote counts exactly the same as everyone else's.

Same with athletics. The guy who sinks or misses the winning basket gets much praise or contempt, but it is no more significant than any other basket or miss of the game.

So as much as I hate to admit it, the psychology of golf and target shooting are similar.

Texgunner
September 25, 2014, 14:22
I agree with Mark for the most part. But, I think golf is more difficult to master than good shooting. I had never played golf (except putt-putt:wink:)until I went back to college at 42 and needed more PE hours. I took golf during a summer semester and found that I did kind of like it.

It was quite a challenge to me, someone who had been good at several other sports earlier in life. Man, it was hard to hit that little ball correctly and it wasn't even moving! I could see golf as a skill that takes a lifetime to master.:)

DYNOMIKE
September 25, 2014, 14:57
I'm a big fan of these Rifles and Ruger products in general.. I couldn't guess how many of these I sold but I never heard anything but good comments from those that came back in and talked to me about the purchase..

Generally speaking I am a proponent of larger then average round counts for group size samplings.. IMO it's a much more realistic accounting of what a rifle is capable of and it does indeed add the shooter as variable...

Cherry picked 3-shot groups don't do much for me although I do suppose they have their place.. 5 shots is better then 3, 10 is better then 5, and I think 15 or 20 gives you a sample size worthy of real consideration..

Glad you like the rifle and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the gun shoots better w/better ammo so I'll be back for an update tomorrow.. :wink:

Jaxxas
September 25, 2014, 15:02
Finally got the scope mounted on the Gunsite Scout and got a chance to try it out yesterday.

Took about 30 rounds to get the scope where I wanted fore and aft and to get it zeroed. Then put 20 rounds out for group. At 100 yards I got a smidge under 2". This might sound mediocre but considering I hadn't shot a rifle in almost a year ( I know, I know - shame on me :( ), wasn't trying my very best, and was shooting South African surplus, I'm well pleased. If I had known she was going to do that well, I would have settled in and gotten serious. As it was, ran out of time, so now I want to get back soonest and see what she will really do if I step up to the plate and maybe also try some nice handloads that my last bolt gun really liked. In retrospect I know my cheekweld wasn't consistent, which is a reminder not to let myself go so long without practice. I've never been a wizard at teensy little groups anyway, but I could tell I wasn't up to snuff. I am suitably chastened !!

All in all, I like the rifle a lot. Nice and light and handy, very nice trigger. The action is a little rough yet and at first the bolt would bind a little on closing if you put a little side pressure on it, but that got better after I brought it home and cleaned up a few rough spots on the rails and worked the action a bunch. As expected, no malfunctions. I expected the recoil to be a little more than with a FAL, but if it was, I didn't really notice. I think she'll be a keeper.

I'm figuring that she should do about 1.5 moa or so pretty easily if I do my part, which is plenty good enough to make me happy. I'd love to see what the critter would do for one of you guys with better benchrest skillz than I.


Thanks for the review. I've always been fascinated with the Ruger Scout! What type mags does it use, I suppose no chance a FAL mag fits? I heard when they came out with the the Scout in .223 that AR mags wouldn't work. I think they missed an opportunity not using readily available mags. Heck they could have done the 7.62x39 using AK mags next.

W.E.G.
September 25, 2014, 15:03
I consider a golf course to be a waste of a perfectly good rifle range.

My dad used to "make me" play golf too.

I think he gave up on me when I played the entire course with an 8-iron, and launched a model rocket on the 13th fairway.

Don't fret about what that Ruger can do in the hands of the hypothetical perfect shooter.
Just go out and use it for what it was intended - which is probably something other than punching paper from a benchrest.

K. Funk
September 25, 2014, 15:36
What scope did you settle on?? I have one of these that I have not fired yet and would like to start playing with it as time permits.

krf

J. Armstrong
September 26, 2014, 15:06
The rifle has a Leupold 2.5x28 Scout scope on Leupold QD low mount rings. Seems like a good combination so far. As mentioned, I was originally going to use an ADM mount, but for the present, the Leupy rings seem perfectly adequate.

As Ruger usually does, the Scout uses proprietary mags in both steel, and polymer. 3, 5, and 10 round caps. I used the polymer ones, mostly the 5 rounders except for the final 20 round target, where I used two 10 rounders. The polymer mags seem to go for around $30 a pop - not really all that bad, I guess. The polymers seem significantly lighter - I should probably toss one of each on the scale to verify that !

I agree with Gary - does this mean I can go slot floppies ??:D

shortround
September 26, 2014, 16:49
The mags are the AICS pattern mags. You can use the Ruger, AI, Accurate mag, Alpha mags, just off he top of my head. Ruger polys are by far the cheapest and work well for me.

J. Armstrong
September 26, 2014, 20:35
The mags are the AICS pattern mags. You can use the Ruger, AI, Accurate mag, Alpha mags, just off he top of my head. Ruger polys are by far the cheapest and work well for me.

Good info. Mine are all Ruger. I don't have that many rounds through it, but I did run at least one full mag of each one I have with no problems.

Artful
September 27, 2014, 10:47
Thanks for the review. I've always been fascinated with the Ruger Scout! What type mags does it use, I suppose no chance a FAL mag fits? I heard when they came out with the the Scout in .223 that AR mags wouldn't work. I think they missed an opportunity not using readily available mags. Heck they could have done the 7.62x39 using AK mags next.

with apologies to J. Armstrong for drifting his tread

http://www.mossberg.com/products/rifles/mvp-series/mvp-patrol
Mossberg came out with a
223 bolt that uses AR mags...
http://www.mossberg.com/assets/scripts/timthumb.php?w=625&zc=0&src=http://www.mossberg.com/sites/default/files/1359668433/27731_MVPP_5.56_A2_Scp_Sights.png
and a 308 version uses M14, older AR10 and 10 round factory magazines provided from Mossberg.
http://www.mossberg.com/assets/scripts/timthumb.php?w=625&zc=0&src=http://www.mossberg.com/sites/default/files/1390331099/27738_MVPP_7.62_A2_Sights.png
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qlvRwtK7t8

Ruger has an American in 223 and 300 blackout but
uses rotary magazines

http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleRanch/models.html
http://www.ruger.com/products/americanRifleRanch/images/6965.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGREHA28d-8

there are several bolt action 7.62x39
CZ 527
Savage 10 FCM Scout
Ruger Hawkeye
but only one that I know of that takes AK mags was only imported for a short time from an Australian company
that was having the rifle made in Vietnam (hence the ban).
look for an Australian International Arms - M10-A2 Bolt Action 7.62x39
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6196/6035599245_bda46b244e_b.jpg
Though Special Interest Arms did a conversion on Mk4's that is pretty much the same thing.
http://specialinterestarms.com/
Unfortunately their Enfield "K" 7.62x39 is now discontinued!

Oh, and if you have the patience and skills you can convert a mauser to take WASR single stack mags
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/FAL/762x39MauserWASRconversion.jpg
https://imageshack.com/f/9fdsc06118j
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/4912/dsc06119.jpg

big dee
September 28, 2014, 00:04
I consider a golf course to be a waste of a perfectly good rifle range.

exactly my thought

DC
October 01, 2014, 16:06
I consider a golf course to be a waste of a perfectly good rifle range.

exactly my thought

they can also be made into motocross tracks pretty easily.

Whydah
October 29, 2014, 07:47
I love my Scout. I topped it with a Burrus Scout Scope at 2.75X using Leupold QD rings. I can't say that I like the irons much, though. Same irons that come on the Mini-14, as well as the flash suppressor. Killed a nice 6-pointer with it two seasons ago.

I have about four 10-rd mags from Alpha Industries. They double-stack below the top round, so the total mag length is a wee bit shorter than the Ruger mag that came with the rifle. Not cheap, but very well made.