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randy762ak
August 30, 2014, 19:39
Well This Krag rifle jumped off a gun show table today and begged me to give it a good home !:D:bigangel:

$325.00 out the door..Its a Nickle Plated Parade rifle In Nice shape,Strange it has a wood sight protector in front of the rear sight and hes been cut to 24 inches.. Good bore and The guy I got it from says it shoots good..

I have a 1903 chrome rifle and thought this might be a oddity , It Still has a cartouch on the stock faint but there! Plating is still in pretty good condition.
No Photo yet But Looks like this rifle only plated-->>


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Have you ever seen One like this-Price>$325.00>???? I think I did OK-What do you think...? edit--1898 SN=478885

SAFN49
August 30, 2014, 20:44
Parade rifles don't shoot live rounds.

Good score for a nice cut down Krag that shoots.

Gazz
August 30, 2014, 22:29
An interesting find! Is there a model number stamped on it? Looking in Flaydermans, I can find variations with 22" barrels, which was the standard length for US carbines and also for a variation named the Phillipines Constabulary carbine which looks sort of like yours. Your handguard is a carbine variation I believe which the Phillipine model did not have. There was also a Krag with a 26" barrel of which less than 100 were made but the book does not show a picture of it. Are any of your parts stamped with a C? How does the front sight look like it was attached? Most barrels that were cut after they were released from service have a 1903 type sight installed as it was easier to do than the Krag sight (doevetailed and silver soldered). What is the serial number range?

SPEEDGUNNER
August 31, 2014, 08:42
During the early 1900's there was a company called Bannerman's in New York that was heavy into the surplus market. They were located on Bannerman's Island in the middle of the Hudson River and had a catalog, from which you could buy just about anything military from the American Civil War to the current day (at the time). They often had surplus military arms that were modified or sporterized to make them more appealing to the citizen sportsman collector. Krags, Rolling Blocks, Trapdoors, you name it and they had them for sale. Not saying your Krag came from there, but there is definitely a possibility.

randy762ak
August 31, 2014, 11:08
An interesting find! Is there a model number stamped on it? Looking in Flaydermans, I can find variations with 22" barrels, which was the standard length for US carbines and also for a variation named the Phillipines Constabulary carbine which looks sort of like yours. Your handguard is a carbine variation I believe which the Phillipine model did not have. There was also a Krag with a 26" barrel of which less than 100 were made but the book does not show a picture of it. Are any of your parts stamped with a C? How does the front sight look like it was attached? Most barrels that were cut after they were released from service have a 1903 type sight installed as it was easier to do than the Krag sight (doevetailed and silver soldered). What is the serial number range?


The front sight appears to be silver soldered on and seems to have been done when the barrel was cut,, Crappy saw job [Not lathe turned]But the muzzle has a nice radius -possibly by hand or with a drill bit..


=I just opened the butt trap and found a small nickle plated Oil cylinder with a dropper stick= :cool:


it says model 1898 478885 sn==I found this chart on the web--So this rifle was made after they stopped counting in 1904 !! A very hi number..

Year number produced serial number range

1894 - 2,953 1 - 2953

1895 - 13,430 2954 - 16384

1896 - 16,262 16385 - 32647

1897 - 31,819 32648 - 64557

1898 - 41,588 64556 - 116146

1899 - 103,778 116147 - 219925

1900 - 70,652 219926 - 290578

1901 - 54,739 290579 - 345318

1902 - 53,246 345319 - 398565

1903 - 61,841 398566 - 460407

1904 - 17,354 460408 - 477762




this is the Stock cartouch -I think it is dated 1899? on this rifle as I can just make it out.
Its going to be tuff taking photos as Im in process of packing to move out Of NY...




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RetiredNSmilin308
August 31, 2014, 12:51
Randy,
You know the wood around the rear sight looks a lot like 03A1 wood cut to fit.

I really DO think you have a Bannerman conversion. or another one done by someone. It is a really nice looking rifle no matter what.

When the CMP sold hundreds of them or only $1.50 each, you just know there would be all manner of sporterizing being done.

I have one and the workmanship seems quite good.

Post your pic on the Krag Collector's website. Those guys there gave me a whole encyclopedia's worth of info on the one I acquired.

I foolishly thought it was a cavalry carbine because of the short barrel. Seems I had watched the movie "Rough Riders" one time too many.

randy762ak
August 31, 2014, 13:27
YES--Im going to have to take photos and post them on the krag collectors site[just found it as we speak]

This is going to be a Cast Boolet shooter for sure! Looking for some ammo right now ---I have some time off and will go to the range tomorrow-I hope:)