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ismith
August 09, 2014, 09:00
There has got to be some Model 70 owners on this site. Post'em if you've got 'em!

http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/044-3.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/044-3.jpg.html)

MAINER
August 09, 2014, 11:54
:biggrin:

ismith
August 19, 2014, 23:03
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/DSCN1093.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/DSCN1093.jpg.html)

MAINER
August 20, 2014, 08:08
Good grief!! Vintage Model 70, leg of mutton leather rifle case, Lyman scope?, and one of Rudy's blades!! You win! :facepalm:

That's a beautiful rifle, but the flaking varnish on the old Winchesters drives me nuts and collector value goes down if refinished.

I was only able to capture one pre-64 Win M70, but it's a 30-06 so I didn't need another anyway. :biggrin:

I don't have a Ruana, but I did get a Scagel a couple years ago, not very vintage however, made by Bark River.

ismith
August 20, 2014, 08:32
Beautiful Scagel! I found the Ruana at a gun show a couple years ago when I was looking for a new hunting knife. It was NOS from the 80's since then has broke down three elk. I think I spent $450 on it, well worth the price in my opinion. The top rifle is a 300 H&H that was made in 1950. The stock had been refinished so I stripped it and put on a nice tung oil finish. The Winchester with the Lyman Alaskan I couldn't pass up. She was made in December of 1938 and I picked her up for a very good price. I've spent more on FAL kits than I paid for her!

tac-40
August 20, 2014, 09:45
I would love to say that I have a few, or even one. The Winchester 70's were and still are a thing of beauty. I have a post model XTR in 30-06 and even though it is 30+ years old, it goes hunting every year and keeps putting them down. I do have a pre-64 design, an FN made at the Winchester plant with the pre-64 machinery. Only problem is the finish - matte instead of that lustrous Winchester blue.

MAINER
August 20, 2014, 12:12
What caliber is the second rifle? We see very few 300 H&H's or larger in Maine, especially pre-64's .
Only fairly recently have we had enough Moose to permit a hunting season on them. Not much need for a big bore just to hunt Deer and Bear until then.
Now, I have seen people hunting Moose armed with a .378 Weatherby Mag. :rolleyes:

ps; Any where near Glacier Lake? Just watched a documentary "Night of the Grizzly" about the two girls that were killed there on the same night in 1967 by two different Bears.

Tac, did you buy one of the FN PBR XP's? That dang- ed WEG posted an ad for the barreled action in a 24" .308 Win. and of course, I had to have one. :tongue:
He cost me a lot of money for a stock, scope, rings, mounts etc. :redface:

I don't believe I thanked him, but I am grateful. :biggrin:

It may say FN on it but it's got the heart of a Model 70!
Good rifles.

ismith
August 20, 2014, 16:38
It's a 30-06. I have a unique .257 Roberts as well, probably my favorite rifle. Im in Helena, but grew up just outside glacier park.

What caliber is the second rifle? We see very few 300 H&H's or larger in Maine, especially pre-64's .
Only fairly recently have we had enough Moose to permit a hunting season on them. Not much need for a big bore just to hunt Deer and Bear until then.
Now, I have seen people hunting Moose armed with a .378 Weatherby Mag. :rolleyes:

ps; Any where near Glacier Lake? Just watched a documentary "Night of the Grizzly" about the two girls that were killed there on the same night in 1967 by two different Bears.

Tac, did you buy one of the FN PBR XP's? That dang- ed WEG posted an ad for the barreled action in a 24" .308 Win. and of course, I had to have one. :tongue:
He cost me a lot of money for a stock, scope, rings, mounts etc. :redface:

I don't believe I thanked him, but I am grateful. :biggrin:

It may say FN on it but it's got the heart of a Model 70!
Good rifles.

Falcon
August 20, 2014, 19:00
A 1946 Supergrade in .270 caliber,hunted with for many years....and many more to come, God willing.:biggrin:

B&L BALvar B8 2.5x-8x scope with german post.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/Falcon007/IMG_0919_zpsc421b87e.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/Falcon007/IMG_0920_zps099dc138.jpg

ismith
August 20, 2014, 20:01
Beautiful rifle Falcon! :bow: One day I will have a nice supergrade.

Here are all three of mine together. Top one is a nearly unmessed with 1950 300 H&H magnum. Someone had revarnished the stock so I stripped it and gave it a pure tung oil finish. Middle rifle is my baby, a customized1953 .257 Roberts. Picked her up in Fairbanks Alaska 12 or 13 years ago for $350. . Bottom one is the prewar 30-06 I just recently acquired.
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/Pre-64s/DSCN1105.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/Pre-64s/DSCN1105.jpg.html)

MAINER
August 21, 2014, 08:35
Beautiful trio ismith!
A .257 Roberts, wow, great cartridge, M 70's in that caliber are scarcer than three legged chickens, congrats. That old target scope sets the rig off nicely too.

I could assemble three Win. Bolt guns for a pic, but the others would be a M 43 in .22 Hornet and a M 75 Sporter in .22 LR. Unfortunately, they are in separate safe's 150 miles apart right now.

Falcon, that's a nice rifle there. Looks to be original finish. Had a local fellow offer me a pre-64 M 70 Supergrade in .270 Win. a while back, but the idjit had put a "custom" stock on it and sold the original, so no deal. Had the new stock been more conservative I might have bought it, but it looked weatherby style with white spacers and high gloss finish, yuuk!
Balvar is a name from the past, great scopes. I have a Balvar 5 still in the box, never got around to getting the special mounts it required with the adjustments built in.

tac-40
August 21, 2014, 14:09
Mainer, it was one of the barreled PBR actions that CDNN was selling a few years ago just before they moved from the Winchester plant to FN in Columbia SC. Took a while to find a stock that worked and ended up with an HS. 18" not the 24". Nothing around here to shoot at that will be over 600 yds.

MAINER
August 21, 2014, 14:46
Yup, I grabbed one of those too, but in the 24" version. I can't seem to break away from long barrels, one of mine is 30". A couple more are 26" and 28". Maybe that's why a full length FAL feels like a carbine to me. :D

Not many long range shot around here either. If I wanted to see 600 yards, I'd have to drive over to I-95 and find a straight piece of road..

I put a Hogue full bed stock on mine. Still working on getting used to a rubber stock, kind of clingy, but feels better/warmer than my H S Precision glass stock in the chilly weather.

I got the DBM, but it was the first and last Bolt rifle I'll buy with that feature. Good for folks hopping in and out of a vehicle I would think.

ismith
August 24, 2014, 11:18
I never thought I would ever see a rifle with a slicker action that my .257 Roberts. The pre-war has certainly taken the cake!

brunop
August 24, 2014, 13:52
Had a .30-'06 and a .270 pre-64. Never shot them. Sold 'em. Kinda bummed.

L Haney
August 24, 2014, 15:00
I got something in the works. Stand by. And have a happy thought for me please.

Right Side Up
August 24, 2014, 15:05
I've always wanted a Featherwieght in .308 or .270.

Falcon
August 24, 2014, 15:44
Yeah, used to have FW 308 ...should've kept it. Of course, that could be said of the .264 Westerner,.338 Alaskan...and others that I've sold off over the years. Out of all the rifles I have bought and sold, I regret the Model 70's the most.

ismith
August 25, 2014, 16:02
Here's my best group with the '06 at 100 yards. Was using 1965 Greek M2.
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/DSCN1115.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/DSCN1115.jpg.html)

MAINER
August 26, 2014, 08:20
Dang, that's good shooting with milsurp. Too bad about that "flyer" or the right side of the group. :D

HD-Ghost
September 06, 2014, 13:50
ismith,
The wood in the .257 looks to be some really nice character. I have a couple of NM in .30-06; part of my sniper collection. The wood is nothing like yours. Don't know how to URL pics, otherwise...

ismith
September 06, 2014, 14:07
Picked up an even earlier rifle than the previous prewar I posted. Here they are together, top on was made in 1937, bottom one 1938. Both are 30-06.
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/DSCN1119.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/DSCN1119.jpg.html)

ismith
September 06, 2014, 14:12
ismith,
The wood in the .257 looks to be some really nice character. I have a couple of NM in .30-06; part of my sniper collection. The wood is nothing like yours. Don't know how to URL pics, otherwise...

The .257 is pretty well customized. Barrel shortened and turned down, reblued and restocked. Its a pretty handy rifle but still weights right around 9 pounds. Shes a sweet shooter!

ALL FAL
September 06, 2014, 16:06
Falcon, are ya holding out on us??:) I sold you one in .264 some years back.

My favorite Pre 64 was in .375 H+H and that was my Alaskan Backup when I was bow hunting or guiding others, never had an animal take more than two steps after being hit with that round.

Falcon
September 06, 2014, 16:48
ALL FAL,

I rememeber that one very well, developed a load for it and was a damn good shooter. So much so, my brother bugged the sh!t out of me until I sold it to him.
Oh well,easy come...easy go...didn't mind since it's still in the family :)

MAINER
September 06, 2014, 16:49
Falcon, are ya holding out on us??:) I sold you one in .264 some years back.

My favorite Pre 64 was in .375 H+H and that was my Alaskan Backup when I was bow hunting or guiding others, never had an animal take more than two steps after being hit with that round.

My question is; how many steps did you take after firing that Honker? :biggrin:

Saw some nice M 70 pre-64's in my travels this past weekend along with a couple Model 71 beauties with $2700 and $3500 price tags on them as well. :uhoh:
L L Bean in Freeport, Me. had a good shooter for about $800 in 30-06. I didn't bother to look at the high dollar one behind the glass case except to admire it from afar.
Hadn't been to Bean's for a couple years and was surprised at the number of used guns there now.

There were a couple at Kittery Trading Post, but the joint was awash in tourist types wearing funny looking clothes and I didn't stay there long. Weird people they were! :whistling:

The M 70 influence has caused me to send Brownell's yet more money so the FN Mauser can have a cool 3 position safety on the right side too. The Gentry Shroud/Safety cost $0.05 less than I paid for the rifle 14 years ago. I'll have to remember to keep a look out for strangers lurking around with white suits and nets. :|

ismith
September 06, 2014, 19:06
My question is; how many steps did you take after firing that Honker? :biggrin:

Saw some nice M 70 pre-64's in my travels this past weekend along with a couple Model 71 beauties with $2700 and $3500 price tags on them as well. :uhoh:
L L Bean in Freeport, Me. had a good shooter for about $800 in 30-06. I didn't bother to look at the high dollar one behind the glass case except to admire it from afar.
Hadn't been to Bean's for a couple years and was surprised at the number of used guns there now.

There were a couple at Kittery Trading Post, but the joint was awash in tourist types wearing funny looking clothes and I didn't stay there long. Weird people they were! :whistling:

The M 70 influence has caused me to send Brownell's yet more money so the FN Mauser can have a cool 3 position safety on the right side too. The Gentry Shroud/Safety cost $0.05 less than I paid for the rifle 14 years ago. I'll have to remember to keep a look out for strangers lurking around with white suits and nets. :|

Some nice pre-64s can be found at good prices on GB right now. The pre war rifles I posted above combined and including shipping and FFL fees cost me $1900. I have another nice transition model in 270 WCF inbound that cost me $800 shipped.

ismith
September 15, 2014, 22:48
Here's my best group with the '06 at 100 yards. Was using 1965 Greek M2.
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/DSCN1115.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/DSCN1115.jpg.html)

And here is what the same rifle will do with 168 gr Speer HPBT and 49 grs of IMR4895. Five shots at 100 yards, measures 0.89.
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/V__E7D8.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/1938%20Winchester%20Model%2070/V__E7D8.jpg.html)

ismith
September 19, 2014, 23:36
My latest Model 70, a 375 H&H. Made in 1950 and right around 700 serial numbers away from the first rifle posted in this thread.
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/375%20Holland%20and%20Holland/DSCN1124.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/375%20Holland%20and%20Holland/DSCN1124.jpg.html)

GM4spd
September 21, 2014, 08:14
Only rifle I ever shot with a 5 shot group at 200 that was an inch and a
quarter. 1956 Supergrade 220 Swift. Every time I see the picture I could
cry! Pete. :(


http://www.fototime.com/460F897FC02CEEA/large.jpg

hueyville
September 26, 2014, 01:34
I've always wanted a Featherwieght in .308 or .270.

I have a post 64 M70 308 featherweight with blue steel receiver and stainless barrel. With Leupold 2x-7x is a light and handy rifle. Unfortunately after looking at my portion of surgeons bill from last back surgery, another in October and wifes 2,400 dollar per month medicine I called a guy I knew wanted two of mine. Lucky to have a few rifles that price remains stable in soft markets or full panics as true collectors will pay for what they want. Thus today two of the children got put up for adoption. I sent two unfired NIB pre 64's to a new parent with promise if he sells I get first chance as docs may get me back to working full time again. Wife was stunned when I brought home a 18,000 dollar check for two rifles but they were nice and purchased cheap in the 80's. First time I have sold guns because I actually needed to pay bills since divorce of 1st wife in 88. Figured sell high dollar units that I cant justify shooting and soft market didn't affect price due to desireability. I could have gotten a little more listing online but not worth effort especilly knowing they went to good home.

ismith
October 02, 2014, 23:58
Winchester Model 54 customized by Griffin and Howe.
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1132.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1132.jpg.html)
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1131.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1131.jpg.html)
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1133.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1133.jpg.html)
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1134.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1134.jpg.html)
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1135.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1135.jpg.html)
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1136.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/Griffin%20and%20Howe%20Model%2054/DSCN1136.jpg.html)

MAINER
October 03, 2014, 09:43
STOP! That is NOT a Model 70. :redface:
Please refrain from posting pics of "lesser" rifles. :tongue:

OK, just kiddin', the old '54 was a pretty good rifle in its time.

G&H were the Geewhiz folks back in the day and did beautiful work. I always thought "Butter knife Bolt Handles" were cool until I used one. They still "look" cool, but I don't want one on my hunting rifle.

Nice, looks to be set up for target shooting with blocks mounted on the barrel?

ALL FAL
October 03, 2014, 21:07
[QUOTE=MAINER;3913137]My question is; how many steps did you take after firing that Honker? :biggrin:

Have you ever fired a .375H+H ? Due to the sloping shoulder of the case, the round is more of a pusher than a sledge hammer, even loaded hot it is a pleasure to shoot compared to a 300win. I had a pre 64 in 300H+H, really miss that sweet shooter, killed my first Grizzly with one at 50 paces, popped him in the hump to break him down and one in the neck to finish.

ismith
October 03, 2014, 23:01
STOP! That is NOT a Model 70. :redface:
Please refrain from posting pics of "lesser" rifles. :tongue:

OK, just kiddin', the old '54 was a pretty good rifle in its time.

G&H were the Geewhiz folks back in the day and did beautiful work. I always thought "Butter knife Bolt Handles" were cool until I used one. They still "look" cool, but I don't want one on my hunting rifle.

Nice, looks to be set up for target shooting with blocks mounted on the barrel?

Yeah she is set up for target sights. She weighs in at 10 1/2 lbs and has a 22 inch heavy barrel in addition to the butter knife handle. Kind of an odd rifle, but balance is good and and the craftsmanship is well executed.

d762nato
October 04, 2014, 18:55
Here's my only one left sold the supergrades just too nice to use I guess. I've still got old painless though. A 1951 vintage 06 with a fixed weaver 3x. I don't know how that pre-64 88 in 308 snuck in there. :D

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad196/d762nato/DadsPictures110.jpg (http://s935.photobucket.com/user/d762nato/media/DadsPictures110.jpg.html)

noless33
November 08, 2014, 23:45
Lets see some more.

Militiaman
November 09, 2014, 02:41
Wow... very nice fellas. Beautiful rifles!

ismith
November 09, 2014, 12:15
Here's my Griffin and Howe with a 10x Lyman target scope.
http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx32/madisonvalleywapiti/DSCN1143.jpg (http://s739.photobucket.com/user/madisonvalleywapiti/media/DSCN1143.jpg.html)

d762nato
January 03, 2017, 09:34
Dang that looks like a real shooter with that heavy barrel. I don't believe there is a slicker action than the pre-64 model 70. Well maybe a pre 64 model 12. :D

STGThndr
January 07, 2017, 22:36
To say that these are some great and lovely guns would be UNDERSTATING... The pre-64 model 70's are about as good as they come- one can spend more money, but one would be hard-pressed to find a BETTER rifle. Looks, shootability, handling...
Many years ago I screwed the pooch and DIDN'T marry the gal part of whose dowry was a pre-64 model 70 in .270.
My old Scotch-Irish mama used to say- "Old too soon, smart too late"...