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DYNOMIKE
August 07, 2014, 20:38
One of my High Powers has developed (for lack of better term) a "Mushy" trigger..

It shoots and the trigger re-sets but not crisply and overall it just feels wrong....

I think I'll get one of Mark's BHP DVD's but in the meantime I'd be interested in hearing from someone that may have experienced this before...

TIA... :whiskey:

catmguy445
August 10, 2014, 13:46
I'm surprised that no one else has chimed in about this. BHP triggers use a three part linkage, and as the parts wear, there are always minimal changes in tolerances (they get looser), which create a certain amount of "monkey motion" in the way the trigger feels. That's probably where your "mushy" feeling comes from.

I haven't shot any of my High Powers enough for them to develop this problem yet. As a reasonably knowledgeable gun repairman/Armorer, I would guess that this could be fixed by replaceing the trigger linkage parts. I don't think you'd need to change the sear or hammer, so start by replacing the toggle attached to the trigger and the rocker that the toggle pushes on when you pull the trigger. By the way, those are what I call the parts. I don't know what the official names of them are. The high power is the only gun I know of (and maybe the only one period) that has trigger linkage parts in both the frame and slide.

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot. Is your magazine disconnector still in the gun, or have you or someone else taken it out? That could also affect things if it's still in the gun.

If worse comes to worse, you could also send it to a BHP specialist for a tuneup. Austin Behlert used to be the best BHP guy in the country, but if he's still alive, he's older than Moses (the one in the Bible, not the guy on the Files) by now and is probably retired, and I don't know who the current BHP Guru is nowadays. And the "if" in "if he's still alive" is a VERY large if. I'm sorry I'm not more help in that area. I need to get caught up on high powers again.

I hope this was some help with your trigger problem, and let us know how it works out.

TerryN
August 10, 2014, 19:56
Austin Behlert has long since passed to his reward. Bill Laughridge and Wayne Novak are both HP gurus, if professional help is needed.

J. Armstrong
August 10, 2014, 20:23
If worse comes to worse, you could also send it to a BHP specialist for a tuneup. Austin Behlert used to be the best BHP guy in the country, but if he's still alive, he's older than Moses (the one in the Bible, not the guy on the Files) by now and is probably retired, and I don't know who the current BHP Guru is nowadays.




I have one of the last BHPs Austin built, he's been retired fo many years. His son took over the business but didn't have the talent Austin had in his little finger, and I think the business went bust

Falcon
August 10, 2014, 20:34
I bought a Mk II HP that had, what I thought was, a mushy trigger. Someone must have pulled the trigger too hard with the safety on and elongated the trigger pin hole. Changed out the trigger with a NOS one, removed the mag safety, and all was good.

RCEMERalf
August 11, 2014, 09:50
I have a couple NOS Inglis trigger assemblies ( includes mag disconnect parts) for $ 50.00 shipping included. Reduced from $ 60.00 plus shipping on my last sale. Thanks.

DYNOMIKE
August 11, 2014, 12:57
Thanks to those that have posted up, I appreciate the help....

Here's where I am at the moment....

I believe It's the trigger spring

I looked real closely at the spring and paid attention to how it interacted with the transfer bar and the trigger itself... Compared to my other pistol there was a good bit of movement of the spring and no tension at all in the static position unlike my other BHP.. The shape/bend of the trigger spring was different then the other so I started there..

Drifted out the trigger pin, removed the trigger and then the pin that holds the spring..
I carefully (using two sets of pliers) tweaked/matched the shape of the good spring and then cleaned the trigger parts w/brake wash..

Put everything back together, applied a few drops of lube and it's much better...

This particular BHP is that NAZI marked Belgian gun I bought a couple years ago.. I should prob replace the trigger pin & trigger parts but I really want to preserve all the original parts and think that's possible but "if" I need to replace that spring I know how so it's no biggy..

The more I think about it the more I wonder if replacing the trigger parts may not be prudent?? Trigger feel is much better but I'm not sure it's quite as good as my other BHP?
Plan is to range test ASAP and go from there...

Oh and BTW, I did remove the mag disco..

Thanks again... :whiskey::beer:

raexcct2
August 13, 2014, 05:19
I have one of the last BHPs Austin built, he's been retired fo many years. His son took over the business but didn't have the talent Austin had in his little finger, and I think the business went bust

His son-in-law Art Leckie took over the business and he was a fine gunsmith. The business closed because Art died of cancer at an early age.

moonbat60
August 14, 2014, 02:30
Try Cylinder & Slide.

Bladewurk
August 15, 2014, 16:47
Thanks to those that have posted up, I appreciate the help....

Here's where I am at the moment....

I believe It's the trigger spring

I looked real closely at the spring and paid attention to how it interacted with the transfer bar and the trigger itself... Compared to my other pistol there was a good bit of movement of the spring and no tension at all in the static position unlike my other BHP.. The shape/bend of the trigger spring was different then the other so I started there..

Drifted out the trigger pin, removed the trigger and then the pin that holds the spring..
I carefully (using two sets of pliers) tweaked/matched the shape of the good spring and then cleaned the trigger parts w/brake wash..

Put everything back together, applied a few drops of lube and it's much better...

This particular BHP is that NAZI marked Belgian gun I bought a couple years ago.. I should prob replace the trigger pin & trigger parts but I really want to preserve all the original parts and think that's possible but "if" I need to replace that spring I know how so it's no biggy..

The more I think about it the more I wonder if replacing the trigger parts may not be prudent?? Trigger feel is much better but I'm not sure it's quite as good as my other BHP?
Plan is to range test ASAP and go from there...

Oh and BTW, I did remove the mag disco..

Thanks again... :whiskey::beer:


Sounds like you are okay but....JIC Browning USA just got a long awaited shipment from Belgium of Hi Power parts and they also have the best prices direct. Call the 800 number to order.

Also AFAIK the Nazi marked guns have no mag disconnect so if yours had it then some parts switching was already done to that pistol before you got it.
Ebay has some Nazi triggers right now if you want to return to original spec.

Regards-Phil

gunplumber
August 15, 2014, 18:17
LMK if you need a replacement trigger spring.

Hoot G
August 23, 2014, 16:39
DYNOMIKE, I'd just check it and see how it shoots. If it's good, maybe think about getting another spring in case it goes weak again. I wouldn't replace any parts I didn't have to, as that's a nice piece of history ya got there. :love:

How "good" a trigger do you need on a pistol that isn't designed for target shooting? :tongue:

Some war time HP's did have the mag disconnect. Depends on when it was made, early or late.

I have a 1988 "Presentation" model Behlert, and Austin was a wizard! From what I understand (never handled one of Arts guns) he was no slouch either.