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jugrunner
April 10, 2014, 18:31
I might get some pics up around midnight ... :wink:

MAINER
April 10, 2014, 21:52
:facepalm:

jugrunner
April 10, 2014, 22:45
... :rofl: ... got you to look ... :wink: ... I was at work when it happened ... hush, hush ... shhhhh ....

here's a pic ... 32-20 Hand Ejector Model of 1905 / 4th change ... I can't date it with any expertise but I'm guessing late 20's/early 30's...

a lot of the case colors still bright ...

http://i58.tinypic.com/2h7hs9s.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/2uglzwl.jpg


it's tight and butter smooth ... :biggrin: ... gonna shoot it ... a lot ... !!!

this is a pistol a Python wishes it was ... :wink:

FUUN063
April 11, 2014, 02:16
See. I told you those older Smith's are the way to go. Very nice.


Leland

ALL FAL
April 11, 2014, 02:46
Dang Jugrunner, that is nice, too bad I traded off the .32-20 Winchester lever action take down, octagon barreled rifle, 1896? Would make a good mate for that one.

Andy the Aussie
April 11, 2014, 02:58
Old S&Ws are truly things of beauty....and function... :D

justashooter
April 11, 2014, 08:21
had the same gun in 38 with a near new finish. glassy action, either way. regret selling it. younger and stupider i was.

MAINER
April 11, 2014, 08:54
:bow:

Nuthin' to be ashamed of there!

kev
April 11, 2014, 09:09
Needs some rails. Something like this,....but keep it classy,.......

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/S+W+TRR8+revolver.+so+a+bit+of+a+back+story_5f5b43 _4759929.jpg

Guy-epic
April 11, 2014, 11:00
Jugs sweet looking pistole I dream of finding ones that nice I can afford well done may I ask what you paid for that baby?

jugrunner
April 11, 2014, 12:50
Jugs sweet looking pistole I dream of finding ones that nice I can afford well done may I ask what you paid for that baby?


$300.00 ... came with 41 old "Peter's" cartridges ... :biggrin:

Guy-epic
April 11, 2014, 13:48
Great deal IMO kick a$$ pistol

jugrunner
April 11, 2014, 13:56
See. I told you those older Smith's are the way to go. Very nice.


Leland


Yes Sir ... !!! ... and thanks for the advice Leland ... !!!

jugrunner
April 11, 2014, 13:56
Great deal IMO kick a$$ pistol


Thanks ... !!!

Texgunner
April 11, 2014, 14:38
That's a great old pistol. You'll like this:

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HighRatMaster
April 11, 2014, 14:45
Really nice piece. You apparently have very good taste in spite of your avatar. :wink:

jugrunner
April 11, 2014, 15:17
Really nice piece. You apparently have very good taste in spite of your avatar. :wink:


guess I need to buy diff. stuff ... :eek: ... but Thanks !

jugrunner
April 11, 2014, 17:12
Dang Jugrunner, that is nice, too bad I traded off the .32-20 Winchester lever action take down, octagon barreled rifle, 1896? Would make a good mate for that one.


yep ... woulda' loved to had it ... !!! ... a friend has a '92 Win. carbine ... might try to get it ...

Bruce Allen
April 11, 2014, 18:20
the 32-20 is an interesting cartridge.
It was the first one that both rifle and pistols could chamber.

The rifle loads were hotter than the pistol, so mixing them up could make life interesting at times.

The six shooter John Wayne carried for most of his western's was a 32-20 if I recall correctly.

jugrunner
April 11, 2014, 18:39
the 32-20 is an interesting cartridge.
It was the first one that both rifle and pistols could chamber.

The rifle loads were hotter than the pistol, so mixing them up could make life interesting at times.

The six shooter John Wayne carried for most of his western's was a 32-20 if I recall correctly.


I'll end up with a set of dies and ALL the associated stuff ... :rolleyes:

light loads only for the remainder of it's long life ... I feel the urge ... :uhoh:

and, I'm a lot like John Wayne ... or I should say "he" was a lot like me ... :bow: ... :whistling: ... Thanks

Bruce Allen
April 11, 2014, 19:19
And if you ever wondered if all the gun knowledge we possess has any real life application here is a quick story:

Responded to an armed robbery to a motel in progress on 3rd shift.
Upon arrival found night clerk dead of gunshot wound.
Long story short the very heavy female clerk, who was the mother of a police officer I worked with, was killed by single gunshot wound.
The bullet was found laying under the body.
The bullet passed clean through the body and dented a steel door frame behind the woman and apparently bounced off and fell onto the floor.
The bullet was a .32 caliber.
Right before the murder and armed robbery trial was about to begin a year later the penetration of the .32 bullet mystified everybody as all they knew about was the .32 Short and .32 Long, neither having a reputation for deep penetration.
During a pretrial meeting with the Solicitor (read here DA) this issue came up.
I asked what weapon was used and was told a stolen revolver (from a previous burglary by the same suspect) was chambered in 32-20.
No one ever heard of that - expect for me.
My knowledge of that cartridge aided the prosecution once I explained to them about it - in particular the rifle rounds that were hotter than the standard pistol rounds - a magnum round for it's day so to speak.

Impala_Guy
April 11, 2014, 20:31
You just cant beat a good old school sidearm...........

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Retired Bum
April 11, 2014, 21:07
The .32 WCF aka .32-20 was not the first cartridge that was chambered in a rifle and revolver. That honor goes to the .44 Henry Flat rimfire. Chambered in the Model 1860 Henry lever action rifle and in the Colt Model 1873 Single Action Army. Smith and Wesson also chambered the .44 Henry in their No. 3 American model.

In 1873 Winchester introduced the Model 1873 lever action rifle chambered for the .44 WCF aka .44-40. Colt chambered the SAA for this round in 1877. Winchester introduced the .38 WCF aka .38-40 in 1874. Colt did this round in the SAA in 1878. Winchester introduced the .32-20 in 1881 and soon after Colt chambered it in the SAA. Colt also chambered the .32-20 in its first modern swing out cylinder revolver, the 1889 Army & Navy. S&W first chambered the .32-20 in the Model 1902 Military & Police.

And so it goes.


The Retired One

ALL FAL
April 11, 2014, 21:15
Who made the Revolver rifles? what Cal ?

12v71
April 11, 2014, 21:24
Needs some rails. Something like this,....but keep it classy,.......

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/S+W+TRR8+revolver.+so+a+bit+of+a+back+story_5f5b43 _4759929.jpg

Really? Did you find that on ARFCOM?:wink:

Bruce Allen
April 11, 2014, 22:57
The .32 WCF aka .32-20 was not the first cartridge that was chambered in a rifle and revolver. ...
And so it goes.


The Retired One
I stand corrected!!

Texgunner
April 12, 2014, 00:33
a magnum round for it's day so to speak.

In the Robert Johnson song I posted, he sings of a woman with a .38 Special but he believed it was "most too light". His .32-20, on the other hand, would "cut her half in two"

In his words:

I sent for my baby, and she don't come
I sent for my baby, man, and she don't come
All the doctors in Hot Springs sure can't help her none
And if she gets unruly, thinks she don't want do
If she gets unruly, and thinks she don't want do
Take my 32-20, and cut her half in two
She got a thirty-eight special, but I believe it's most too light
She got a thirty-eight special, but I believe it's most too light
I got a 32-20, got to make the camps alright
If I send for my baby, man, and she don't come
If I send for my baby, man, and she don't come
All the doctors in Hot Springs sure can't help her none
I'm gonna shoot my pistol, gonna shoot my Gatlin' gun
I'm gonna shoot my pistol, gonna shoot my Gatlin' gun
You made me love you, now your man have come
Aw baby, where you stay last night?
Ah baby, where you stay last night?
You got your hair all tangled, and you ain't talkin' right
Got a thirty-eight special, boys, it do very well
Got a thirty-eight special, boys, it do very well
I Got a 32-20 now, and it's a burnin --
If I send for my baby, man and she don't come
If I send for my baby, man and she don't come
All the doctors in West Memphis sure can't help her none
Hey hey baby, where you stay last night
Hey hey baby, where you stayed last night
You didn't come home until the sun was shinin bright
Ah boys, I just can't take my rest
Ah boys, I just can't take my rest
With this 32-20 layin up and down my breast

DJ
April 12, 2014, 14:11
Nice gun, Jugrunner.
I have a Colt Army Special .32-20 that was my Uncle Harry's. From the serial number it was made in 1922. For being 92 years old, she's in pretty good shape. I'd guess the finish at about 70%, pretty good bore, and the action is still good and tight.
I've shot it, but not in a long time. I have dies, brass, boolits, etc for it. Your post makes me want to get that old Colt out and go shoot it!
Thanks for the post!

genmeagher
April 12, 2014, 19:46
Love it, JR.

That there is one beautiful S&W. Work of art.

jugrunner
April 13, 2014, 21:17
Thanks guys but Impala Guy is the winner with his Very Nice Early pair of S&W's ... :bow: ... really nice !! ... wish mine wus that nice, but they can't all be so I'll just shoot mine ...:biggrin: ... mine's prolly a 75% gun and I really did buy it to shoot ...


ETA: ... DJ: I just ordered dies, brass, boolits ... :eek: ... The only load data I have (book wise) is for the Thompson Contender ... of course it's the 47th Edition Lyman ... it seems like a fairly tame load and I'll drop it even more ...

the sickness continues ...

VALMET
April 14, 2014, 07:39
Nice pick-up Jugrunner. It's hard to beat an old S&W no matter what/how many different guns I add to my collection.

TenTea
April 14, 2014, 08:34
That's a great old pistol. You'll like this:

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...my first thought too ^^^ and thanks for posting the lyrics



Nice old Smithy Mr. Jug!

DJ
April 14, 2014, 17:38
Thanks guys but Impala Guy is the winner with his Very Nice Early pair of S&W's ... :bow: ... really nice !! ... wish mine wus that nice, but they can't all be so I'll just shoot mine ...:biggrin: ... mine's prolly a 75% gun and I really did buy it to shoot ...


ETA: ... DJ: I just ordered dies, brass, boolits ... :eek: ... The only load data I have (book wise) is for the Thompson Contender ... of course it's the 47th Edition Lyman ... it seems like a fairly tame load and I'll drop it even more ...

the sickness continues ...

JR, I have Lyman's 45th Edition ans an old Pacific book. I'll do some research and make some copies of the pages. PM me your mailing addy and I'll get that info in the mail to you.

Story
April 14, 2014, 17:50
I'll just leave this here -

With todayís strong single actions in modern steel they can be loaded beyond Keithís level, well into heavy 357 magnum loadings with light bullets. One of the best hunting bullets in my Rugers are the 125 grn Sierra flatnose H.P.s. That is a 30-30 bullet but it works well from the 32-20/30 Carbine Rugers and many rifles heavy loaded, for game up to small deer. Even though it is not .311/312 bullet it still gives excellent accuracy from the Rugerís .308/9 bore and is fine in many leveractions. For the leverguns that are older and have a bit of an overbore, the various 123 grn soft nose slugs made for the 7.62X39mm work very well.
http://www.leverguns.com/articles/paco/3220wcf.htm

Texgunner
April 14, 2014, 20:01
...my first thought too ^^^ and thanks for posting the lyrics





:beer::beer::beer:

jugrunner
April 16, 2014, 17:01
I found out today that I'm a collector of "low end" S&W pistols ... :facepalm:

I tried to "finance" a Poyer ... prolly means I'm one of the true "rapscallion" members that have brought the files to a new "low" ...

Oh well ... I have nowhere else to go ... guess ya'll are stuck wit me ...

Dave1
April 17, 2014, 21:04
Jugs,
I have an old Lyman reloading book that probably has data for the 32-20
Let me know if you'd like some info
Dave

Thanks guys but Impala Guy is the winner with his Very Nice Early pair of S&W's ... :bow: ... really nice !! ... wish mine wus that nice, but they can't all be so I'll just shoot mine ...:biggrin: ... mine's prolly a 75% gun and I really did buy it to shoot ...


ETA: ... DJ: I just ordered dies, brass, boolits ... :eek: ... The only load data I have (book wise) is for the Thompson Contender ... of course it's the 47th Edition Lyman ... it seems like a fairly tame load and I'll drop it even more ...

the sickness continues ...

jugrunner
April 17, 2014, 22:16
Jugs,
I have an old Lyman reloading book that probably has data for the 32-20
Let me know if you'd like some info
Dave


Thanks Dave ... oldest I have is the 46th edition Lyman ... has data for the Thompson Contender ... Rifle data but nothing I'm comfortable with ... is your's older than mine ... ???

Dave1
April 18, 2014, 10:19
Mine is a 45th edition and has no data for the 32-20 pistol but, my speer manual, 13th edition has revolver data for cowboy loads for the 32-20
98 grain cast bullets, hard alloy .314 dia
Max case length 1.315
trim length 1.305
Max cart length 1.592
AA#7 - 5.4 gr
AA#5 - 4.5
power pistol 3.9
Viht 3N37 3.8
H. Universal 3.4
Unique 3.0
700-x 2.7
Tite-Group 2.8
231 2.9
Bullseye 2.4

These are all listed starting loads
Hope it helps,
Dave

Roland
April 30, 2014, 20:07
... :rofl: ... got you to look ... :wink: ... I was at work when it happened ... hush, hush ... shhhhh ....

here's a pic ... 32-20 Hand Ejector Model of 1905 / 4th change ... I can't date it with any expertise but I'm guessing late 20's/early 30's...

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Nice, very nice! Congrats man :)