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Hebrew Battle Rifle
March 18, 2014, 21:14
I made a call to SARCO today (3/17/14) to order an Argentine contract COLT Government model. The young lady stated that the supply is getting low and that there may not be enough to fill my order. I predict that in a day or two I will receive a phone call advising me that they are indeed out of the pistol that I wanted, but for a few dollars more I can "upgrade" to the next offering, of which, of course, they have plenty.

If I do actually get what I ordered, I shall post a report with copious amounts of pictures. Until then, I'll just leave this place keeper on the table. Feel free to make your own pointless posts.

"Update" (3/18/14)
Well, I got a call today. I was all set to hear the pitch, but alas, it was a wrong number. So, the vigil continues.
But, I did win $654.00 at the craps table today. I was down $200 almost immediately so I took a break and went to the buffet to scarf my complimentary meal. As I was leaving the casino, my path took me past the table so I threw a $20 on the pass line and the next number was 7. WINNER WINNER WINNER! 3 good shooters later I put the original stake back in my pocket and the remainder was $654.00. I took out my tythe leaving $554 which coincidentally should just cover the cost of the COLT and shipping. Or there about.

Update: Pointless thread now has a point!
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Hebrew Battle Rifle
March 30, 2014, 11:47
CC charged last Monday. No pistol yet. The saga continues.

tdb59
March 30, 2014, 12:02
..... The saga continues.


http://www.crosswordfiend.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/broken_pencil.jpg


:wink:

Hebrew Battle Rifle
March 30, 2014, 12:36
http://www.crosswordfiend.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/broken_pencil.jpg


:wink:

Well done!:shades:

oleblu72
March 30, 2014, 23:20
I made a call to SARCO today (3/17/14) to order an Argentine contract COLT Government model. The young lady stated that the supply is getting low and that there may not be enough to fill my order. I predict that in a day or two I will receive a phone call advising me that they are indeed out of the pistol that I wanted, but for a few dollars more I can "upgrade" to the next offering, of which, of course, they have plenty.

If I do actually get what I ordered, I shall post a report with copious amounts of pictures. Until then, I'll just leave this place keeper on the table. Feel free to make your own pointless posts.

"Update" (3/18/14)
Well, I got a call today. I was all set to hear the pitch, but alas, it was a wrong number. So, the vigil continues.
But, I did win $654.00 at the craps table today. I was down $200 almost immediately so I took a break and went to the buffet to scarf my complimentary meal. As I was leaving the casino, my path took me past the table so I threw a $20 on the pass line and the next number was 7. WINNER WINNER WINNER! 3 good shooters later I put the original stake back in my pocket and the remainder was $654.00. I took out my tythe leaving $554 which coincidentally should just cover the cost of the COLT and shipping. Or there about.



This would be the Systema model 1927 Colt clone ? I would be interested in your opinion of that pistol. I wonder if that was the same girl I talked to she wasn't very helpful at all , I would like to talk to someone else next time I call . I wonder how the other cheaper clones are at the top of the page I think their called Molinas contract pistols also Argentine?

Mark

tdb59
March 30, 2014, 23:36
This would be the Systema model 1927 Colt clone ? I would be interested in your opinion of that pistol. I wonder if that was the same girl I talked to she wasn't very helpful at all , I would like to talk to someone else next time I call . I wonder how the other cheaper clones are at the top of the page I think their called Molinas contract pistols also Argentine?

Mark

The Sistema is excellent, and all parts are to the same dimensions as a Colt.

The Ballester Molina is a combination of designs, and only a few parts interchange with Colts.

Hebrew Battle Rifle
March 31, 2014, 01:03
This would be the Systema model 1927 Colt clone ? I would be interested in your opinion of that pistol. I wonder if that was the same girl I talked to she wasn't very helpful at all , I would like to talk to someone else next time I call . I wonder how the other cheaper clones are at the top of the page I think their called Molinas contract pistols also Argentine?

Mark

The pistol that I ordered is a COLT made in Hartford and exported to Argentina. The Sistema Modelo 1927s are M1911A1s manufactured in Argentina. Sistemas, when manufactured, were the equal of M1911A1s manufactured by COLT. Sistemas were first manufactured in the late 1940's and production ended in 1966.

Ballester Molinas were made in Argentina in the 1930's and 40's. They are very rugged and excellent pistols. They use some parts that interchange with M1911s including barrels and magazines, but they are not ''clones.''

FUUN063
March 31, 2014, 02:29
I really like the Sistema's. They are very well made and rival anything Colt made. I just sold my last .45 caliber Sistema to my shooting buddy. It was above 90% condition with the original high polish blued finish. But, I still have the .22 Argentine Ace to knock around with.


Leland

oleblu72
March 31, 2014, 11:01
I really like the Sistema's. They are very well made and rival anything Colt made. I just sold my last .45 caliber Sistema to my shooting buddy. It was above 90% condition with the original high polish blued finish. But, I still have the .22 Argentine Ace to knock around with.


Leland


For what Sarco is asking for the Systema you could put a few more dollars with it and buy one of their American made Argentine Colts however I think the Sytema might be in better shape cosmetically.

Mark

Hebrew Battle Rifle
April 19, 2014, 13:20
I finally had an opportunity to go get the pistol from the FFL. I will take pics this evening. It is a 1933 yr model and has had a gagillion rounds of ammo fired through it. The barrel is about half a box of ammo away from being a smooth bore and I am certain that I am the first person in 81 years to see the fire control parts. The MSH channel is packed with leather dust. I am sure that this gun is all original. All of the wear patterns match and the hammer has struck the firing pin retaining plate so many times that the serial numbers are mirror imaged on the back of the plate.
No significant rust found anywhere. It has the single most horrible trigger pull that I have ever found on any gun in my life. The end of my finger turns white while pressing the trigger before it lets go.
Markings are all crisp and deep. I am pleased with that. One of the reasons that I wanted this old COLT is for the markings. The bluing is about 99% gone. The rear sight is a bit deformed as is the lanyard loop. I suspect this damage is from being dropped. The grip stocks are brown plastic and look, to me anyway, like USGI grip stocks. They are in remarkably good shape. They are not pristine, but they aren't beat up either. The serial number under the firing pin plate matches the frame number. There is a number factory roll marked on the top of the slide that does not match the serial number.
It passed all safety checks including head space. I was actually surprised by this. I have read countless posts on this forum about old COLTs having soft slides from the lack of heat treating. This pistol certainly doesn't have a soft slide. The recoil spring is very weak. It would not feed from the magazine until I replaced the spring with a new production COLT spring. Once done, it ran perfectly. I fired 20 rds each of factory 230 gr hardball, 200 gr lead semi wad cutters and Hornady XTP hollow points through it without any feed problems after the spring replacement. Shooting from a rest it would keep all rounds on an 8 1/2" X 11" sheet of paper @ 25 yrds, but just barely. All rds fired in groups of 5 with 6 rounds in the magazine. This was done to prevent the slide from locking on the last round thus corrupting the group.
I have the tools and skills to parkerize and GunKote guns, but I have zero experience with hot bluing. As this is the only gun that I own that I would even consider bluing, I am not motivated to set up for hot bluing one gun. But, I am not real enthused about having it blued by someone else. Would it be heresy to park and GunKote this Depression/Prohibition era Colt? Roosevelt was just months in office, Hitler was just elected Chancellor of Germany, and John Dillinger was robbing banks when this old COLT came off of the line. Would it be like putting a metal flake paint job on an original '34 Ford coupe to put GunKote on this old Colt?

PBR Streetgang
April 19, 2014, 13:41
Just oiled the hell outa mine. I wouldn't do anything else. I love the old look.

Hebrew Battle Rifle
April 19, 2014, 23:42
I tweaked that trigger a bit. I stoned the hammer and sear, adjusted the leaf springs, trimmed just a smidgeon off of the grip safety and gave everything a good cleaning. The trigger pull isn't great, but it is much better and what I would consider serviceable.
I found slight damage to the crown so I put the barrel in the lathe and cut a new crown. The bushing is very sloppy, but I left it alone for the moment. I set a target up @ 25 yards and fired 2 5 rd groups. Both groups were high and left, but significantly smaller than the previous sets.(approx 6 inches) I am confident that with the bushing tuned up that this old gal will still put up impressive and serviceable groups.

Exit308
April 21, 2014, 14:36
Roosevelt, Hitler and Dillenger are all long gone but that beauty is just ready for a little TLC. It has a finish that took 81 years to achieve so I would leave it as is, it looks COOL. But its yours so...

TenTea
April 21, 2014, 15:27
Pointless hell!

This is entertainment & education at its finest (well, it's good anyhow...).

:D

Hebrew Battle Rifle
April 22, 2014, 00:00
It has a finish that took 81 years to achieve so I would leave it as is, it looks COOL. But its yours so...

I have given that much thought. I am not 100% set on a refinish. I keep going back and forth between "she earned her scars" and "she is my girl now and deserves a new dress." Both points have merit.

raexcct2
April 22, 2014, 18:13
I have given that much thought. I am not 100% set on a refinish. I keep going back and forth between "she earned her scars" and "she is my girl now and deserves a new dress." Both points have merit.

I say "Restore that Baby". Make her look good again.

oleblu72
April 22, 2014, 21:29
Wow camo metalflake ( small flake ) paint job.

Mark

TerryN
April 23, 2014, 12:54
I'd say send it to a GOOD refinisher like Ford's, and have them polish and blue it. They're good enough that they won't polish off all the markings and round all the sharp edges. They're not cheap, but their work reflects that.

http://www.fordsguns.com/

Exit308
April 23, 2014, 16:29
I'd say send it to a GOOD refinisher like Ford's, and have them polish and blue it. They're good enough that they won't polish off all the markings and round all the sharp edges. They're not cheap, but their work reflects that.

http://www.fordsguns.com/
Is there a sharp edge left on that beauty? I think they were polished off by hand long ago. I like it the way it is, but I repeat myself. For another $350 you can probably get one that still has it's finish mostly intact.

paul fowler
April 23, 2014, 17:53
I bought a systema 1927 last year from Sarco. Like your Colt it was almost a smooth-bore. All numbers including the magazine matched. Replaced the barrel and barrel bushing as well as the grips. Got a set of walnut grips from Sarco. I put all of the original parts I replaced away. After the barrel and bushing replacement the pistol really shoots well. Will not strip first round from a fully loaded magazine (bought several new ones) so probably need a new recoil spring. Not much bueing left and the left side of the rear sight is worn down a bit, I guess from holster-wear. Overall really pleased with it, my kids love shooting it as well.

Hebrew Battle Rifle
April 24, 2014, 20:45
I say "Restore that Baby". Make her look good again.

I was leaning hard toward this option, but I think that I will either leave her as is or put a modern GunKote finish on her. She has just too many scars to ever wear a blued finish again. The scars are too deep to polish away. I good sand blasting followed by a mang park and topped with flat black Gunkote is the most likely future for her.
I bought an actual Series 70 barrel and collet bushing set on ebay and installed it in my Series 70 "repro" and then installed the barrel from the 70 repro into ol girl. It is an absolute perfect fit on both counts. I haven't had an opportunity to shoot either one yet, but I am hopeful that both will do just fine.
Ol girl has a new COLT barrel and my repro 70 series is now an actual 70 series. I am pleased.

jugrunner
April 25, 2014, 16:37
looking forward to more as she comes along ... :biggrin:

Roland
April 29, 2014, 22:22
Pointless hell!

This is entertainment & education at its finest (well, it's good anyhow...).

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hehe better than half of the threads posted here (not really). But hey, it even has pictures in it! :rofl:

Nomad, 2nd
May 01, 2014, 06:40
I was leaning hard toward this option, but I think that I will either leave her as is or put a modern GunKote finish on her. She has just too many scars to ever wear a blued finish again. The scars are too deep to polish away. I good sand blasting followed by a mang park and topped with flat black Gunkote is the most likely future for her.
I bought an actual Series 70 barrel and collet bushing set on ebay and installed it in my Series 70 "repro" and then installed the barrel from the 70 repro into ol girl. It is an absolute perfect fit on both counts. I haven't had an opportunity to shoot either one yet, but I am hopeful that both will do just fine.
Ol girl has a new COLT barrel and my repro 70 series is now an actual 70 series. I am pleased.

...that's what parkerising is for....

enbloc8
May 02, 2014, 20:59
She has just too many scars to ever wear a blued finish again. The scars are too deep to polish away.

A good restorer with a TIG welder can work some real miracles...I've seen it done on a couple of restored Lugers.

Chalk_2
May 22, 2014, 02:26
This guy does an amazing job restoring vintage firearms. Found him on youtube, almost watched all his videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaHHgjkphOY