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DYNOMIKE
February 28, 2014, 16:18
I'll share the details on a more personal level with any interested parties but "IF" you have an M240-BRAVO I may have something interesting for you....

Please PM or E-mail for details....

Thanks for looking..

2barearms
March 01, 2014, 19:23
I have friends with 240's, 'sup.

L Haney
March 01, 2014, 19:50
My local FFL, NFA Dealer, sorta cousin has three of the things. Two of which are brand new. Helped clean some of the schmurtz off of the things.

Whatzzup?

Andy the Aussie
March 01, 2014, 20:52
My local FFL, NFA Dealer, sorta cousin has three of the things. Two of which are brand new. .... so next time you want to know what I want for Christmas... ;)

MAG58 is a sweet toy..... :D :D :bigangel:

L Haney
March 01, 2014, 21:02
.... so next time you want to know what I want for Christmas... ;)

MAG58 is a sweet toy..... :D :D :bigangel:

Meh, it just shoots what my FAL does. Heavy, unwieldy, and not even water cooled.

Just another mental trap for people that think small. For the same weight a trip to Ace Hardware, Sherwin Williams, and The Pool Store and you can bring the roof of a five story building to street level. And far less than a tenth of the price. I don't think a truck load of ammo and a MAG will do that.

You need to free yer' mind and yer' ass will follow.

Andy the Aussie
March 01, 2014, 21:09
But there is something about bungee hanging that thing out the back of my Landcruiser and being driven through the bush barking "Get some...get some...get some more" .... :rofl::rofl::eek::eek::biggrin::devil:

L Haney
March 01, 2014, 21:53
But there is something about bungee hanging that thing out the back of my Landcruiser and being driven through the bush barking "Get some...get some...get some more" .... :rofl::rofl::eek::eek::biggrin::devil:


Have to admit, there is that aspect!

enbloc8
March 02, 2014, 10:56
Are there any known transferable M240s (or FN MAGs for that matter), or are they all post-86 samples?

Andy the Aussie
March 02, 2014, 13:46
I remember reading back in (SOF I think) the 80s that there were less than 10 pre-86 MAG58s in the registry. I would guess there are more pre86 Dealer Samples plus the actual M240s that would be post 86 samples (I think). :eek::eek:

DYNOMIKE
March 02, 2014, 13:51
I have a SUREFIRE MG CAN for the M240 Bravo for sale....

EricCartmanR1
March 02, 2014, 14:11
Are there any known transferable M240s (or FN MAGs for that matter), or are they all post-86 samples?

If there are any "transferable form-4 type M240s" I am sure they are very very rare.

Most likely, almost all of the M240 in existence are just "Range Built" 240's, to be Sold to LEO only, and to be kept at the local ranges and/or demo'd for LEO only at a special location.


Here is my nephew shooting one owned by a gun dealer in Las Vegas, while in the Nevada Desert at one of these LEO Demos (organized machine gun shoot).
http://images107.fotki.com/v70/photos/1/932051/8895568/jessem240bs-vi.jpg


Gun Porn! Pic of the gun up close
http://images60.fotki.com/v224/photos/1/932051/8895568/DSC04850-vi.jpg

L Haney
March 02, 2014, 14:30
Every one I've seen is a post '86 'sample'. I'm not sure what "Range Built" means as the last two I saw were factory fresh.

kev
March 02, 2014, 15:32
DLO has registered sideplates for the MAG. Last time I noticed them offered they were running $75k each plus figure another five grand for a kit. So yeah, transferables are 'available' for something under a $100k.

EricCartmanR1
March 02, 2014, 15:42
Every one I've seen is a post '86 'sample'. I'm not sure what "Range Built" means as the last two I saw were factory fresh.


I say "range built" because it's a business and not a collector. These businesses can buy them new, or they can also build them themselves.

These machine guns "manufactured" after 1986 can only be sold to LEO or the Military. I believe Ohio Ordnance builds their 240s and sell them to LEOs and Military on a regular basis.

These Dealers of post-86 Machine Guns can buy, sell, and manufacture Machine Guns, but CANNOT COLLECT THEM.

These guns have to be stored at the the address on file (usually a range) and can be moved for demos, but at the end of the day, they have to be stored at the location that is stated in the Class-3.

You can also use these machine guns for training, that is why in Vegas, the ranges with these post-86 machine guns are perfectly legal, because 1) they are being used for training 2) stored at the local location 3) only to be sold to LEO or the Military.

DYNOMIKE
March 02, 2014, 16:31
I have friends with 240's, 'sup.

PM sent...

gunplumber
March 02, 2014, 17:03
I believe my friend's is a pre-may. There are some differences between the MAG 58 and the 240. I confess to not knowing what they are.

I talked to a guy involved in the US 240 ground project (we'd had them in tank cupolas). He said there were a number of machine cuts that they had no idea what they were for, but were afraid to leave them out. Something about changing the top cover to simplified one more appropriate for a rail . ..

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Thorack
March 02, 2014, 18:23
Hmmm,

Never seen a 240B or G mounted on the CDRs Cupola only the M-2 .50. Seen a 240B on the loaders hatch mount for Airguard though. The coax was a 240G, thats for an M1A1 though, dont know what a Sheridan or M-60A3 had.

Thorack

gunplumber
March 02, 2014, 19:48
I was thinking that it was on the M60 cupola when I was with the 197th Mech, but maybe that was the M73 machinegun.

I'm pretty sure when I was helping deactivate 40th Armor (USAR), the M1s (not M1A1s) had them coax mounted.

In any case, they were in the arms room, and were the one gun I wasn't familiar with. My job was to get as many guns in functional condition as possible, by cannibalizing parts, as a deadlined gun involved more paperwork during deactivation of the unit and transfer of assets to the National Guard.

(wiki)

M240 standard coaxial machine gun used in US armored vehicles. It is used in the M60 series of tanks (where it replaced the M73/M219 7.62 mm machine guns) and the M1 Abrams family. It has an electrically operated trigger and a reloading lever. Compared to the MAG Model 60-40, the M240 has a different flash hider and gas valve.

M240B is a modernized derivative of the M240G, which features a perforated hand-guard and heat shroud, a MIL-STD-1913 rail integral with the receiver top cover, which enables the use of optical day and night sights, a new synthetic stock and a new ammunition container. It was selected to be the U.S. Army's new medium machine gun on December 1, 1995, replacing the M60 machine gun - it defeated the M60E4 during trials. M240Bs are also replacing M240Gs in USMC service. The M240B weighs 12.5 kg (28 lb) and has a length of 1,245 mm (49.0 in). The rate of fire is 650–950 rounds/min.

M240C with a right-hand feed system. It is used in the M2 and M3 Bradley series of infantry fighting vehicles as a coaxial gun to the main armament.

M240D an upgrade of the M240E1 and is optimized for use in military helicopters in a pintle-mounted configuration. The M240D is also supplied with a kit for dismounted use.

M240E1 installed since 1987 on LAV-series wheeled armored fighting vehicles, has a spade-type grip with an integral trigger and cocking mechanism.

M240G introduced into service with the United States Marine Corps and the 75th Ranger Regiment in the mid 1990s in place of the M60E3. The M240G is used on the M122A1 tripod for stationary use, and is also used in vehicular and aircraft mounts. It weighs 10.99 kg (24.2 lb),[8] has an overall length of 1,245 mm (49.0 in) and a rate of fire of 650–950 rounds/min.

M240H an improved version of the M240D. The M240H features a rail equipped feed cover, an improved flash suppressor, and has been configured so it can be more quickly converted to infantry standard using an Egress Kit. The M240H is 41.2 in (1,050 mm) long, has a 23.6 in (600 mm) barrel, and has an empty weight of 26.3 lb (11.9 kg).

M240L is a development of the M240B reduced in weight by 5.5 pounds (2.5 kg). The weight savings on the M240L are achieved by incorporating titanium and by using alternative fabricating methods for major components. A short barrel and collapsible stock are available.

Lee Carpentieri
March 02, 2014, 21:53
Thiers about 10 ten transferable M240's that made it out the door of FN Manufacturing BEFORE May of 1986. A friend of mine sold his new three years ago for 162K. The ones DLO has are all ready built using Mag-58 parts kits sourced from DSA about 7 years ago. Allot of the DSA Mag-58 parts kits were like brand new from FN Herstahl originally and came from Jordan. Last NIB M240 I'd seen for sale was 175K last year.

Tuscan Raider
March 03, 2014, 14:19
Buddy has one, has the spade grip set up and everything.

EricCartmanR1
March 03, 2014, 14:46
Thiers about 10 ten transferable M240's that made it out the door of FN Manufacturing BEFORE May of 1986. A friend of mine sold his new three years ago for 162K. The ones DLO has are all ready built using Mag-58 parts kits sourced from DSA about 7 years ago. Allot of the DSA Mag-58 parts kits were like brand new from FN Herstahl originally and came from Jordan. Last NIB M240 I'd seen for sale was 175K last year.

That's pretty awesome that there are 10 in existence! If I had the cash, and that cash did not hurt me too much, I would buy one.

L Haney
March 03, 2014, 17:47
I say "range built" because it's a business and not a collector. These businesses can buy them new, or they can also build them themselves.


That clears it up, thank you.

I did make a mistake when I said all that I had seen were post 86. We did have some at the small arms repair school at Ft. Hood in the late 70's. These were the coax versions for the M-60's and possibly the M-1's that were just starting to arrive.

We did not have a ground mount version deployed to the best of my memory.

ETA: One difference that still brings a smile between the M-60 and the -240. Set them side by side, and raise the feed cover. Count the parts in each. They use the same belted ammo.

chauncey
March 04, 2014, 21:04
In any case, they were in the arms room, and were the one gun I wasn't familiar with. My job was to get as many guns in functional condition as possible, by cannibalizing parts, as a deadlined gun involved more paperwork during deactivation of the unit and transfer of assets to the National Guard.



oh the horror. I was in the USMC and a OMC mechanic. "they" always preached to us that cannibalizing parts was a chargeable offense. but "they" would never us give us parts but they would give us a bunch of shit for not having operating outboards. so of course we cannibalized.

I was the MIMMS bitch because I made the mistake of admitting I had college. I had a PL that wouldn't let me deadline anything but would always bitch and say we were lazy because the boats wouldn't run. I would explain we couldn't get any parts priority because he wouldn't let me deadline anything.

some officers are just so ******* smart.

DYNOMIKE
March 29, 2014, 18:43
Rather then delete the thread I'll just say that the can is no longer for sale...
A recourse has been implemented... :D

ismith
April 07, 2014, 22:54
How about a M240H?
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Story
April 08, 2014, 07:42
We did not have a ground mount version deployed to the best of my memory.

Buried in the Dash-10 (Dash-20, mebbe?) for the M1 was an NSN list for the adapter to the M60 tripod, plus associated doodads to make it go. IIRC what the Knox instructor said, most units didn't want to spend (waste?) the money for the full kit that'd never be used or even put on the training schedule.

PS - this is what I saw, probably posted as an update to the 10. From the article on the U.S. Ordnance made version:

Small arms engineer George Kontis from FN Manufacturing was on a program to show the M240, and he believed the U.S. military might want to replace the U.S. M60 GPMG with an M240 variant, so he developed an “Egress” or “Dismount” kit with pistol grip, buttstock, and bipod, and showed it to the U.S. Marines. His M240 out-performed the new 1980s original version of the M60E4 that Saco Defense was offering (at that point the E4 had not been through U.S. Ordnance’s thorough and effective Product Improvement Program), and the U.S.MC adopted it as the “M240G” or the “Golf.”

http://sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=1692

Of tangential interest, the Jan 2009 SHOTGUN NEWS article on Landies' semi-autos.

Would you like to own an M240 Bravo? There are a handful of non-restricted-transfer FN MAG 58 and M240B machine guns on the NFA (National Firearms Act) logbooks. On the rare occasion when one has been offered for sale, it has fetched about $240,000. Pre-May 19, 1986 dealers' samples of the FN MAG 58 have sold for over $85,000. If you're a Class 3 dealer, you can purchase a Post-May 19, 1986 dealer's sample for about $8,000, but you're just renting it from the BATFE, because once you give up your license, you must surrender the gun.

There is now another alternative. A personal friend of almost three decades, Robert I. Landies, the owner of Ohio Ordnance Works, Inc. (Dept. SGN, P.O. Box 687, Chardon, Ohio 44024; phone: 440-285-3481; fax: 440-286-8571; e-mail: oow@ohioordnanceworks.com; website: www.ohioord nanceworks.com), together with a brilliant design staff, has engineered a semiautomatic-only version of the M240B that meets and exceeds all BATFE regulations for firearms of this type.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/M240-SLR%3A+a+satisfying+substitute%3A+a+real+M240B+wil l+set+you+back+a...-a0194332411

Story
April 08, 2014, 07:59
Just another mental trap for people that think small. For the same weight a trip to Ace Hardware, Sherwin Williams, and The Pool Store and you can bring the roof of a five story building to street level. And far less than a tenth of the price. I don't think a truck load of ammo and a MAG will do that.

You need to free yer' mind and yer' ass will follow.

"You know, it wouldn't hurt you people to think like a serial killer every now and then." - Foamy the Squirrel (http://youtu.be/r8eICCKMNEc)