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Bubacus
January 13, 2014, 22:28
I've always wanted a PE-57, this might fit the bill if the production guns run as well as the prototype.

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gunnut1
January 14, 2014, 19:19
COOL! I contend that the PE 57 is the ugliest assault rifle in the world and I love it!

Now if they can just keep the price to something reasonable, I will have one!

AGG
January 14, 2014, 20:42
The proto is for sale on GB!!! ;)

Tony

tdb59
January 14, 2014, 21:22
The proto is for sale on GB!!! ;)

Tony

Yup !

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=387114387

12v71
January 15, 2014, 00:57
Damn, I want one... bad. :D

PauloB
January 15, 2014, 16:33
Always liked that rifle. Just oozes cool.

Bubacus
January 15, 2014, 16:54
Wow...the prototype is already commanding over 3K with 4 days left in the bidding. I hope that the price of production guns can make it under 2K...but it's obvious there is a demand with GB bidding so the 2K mark might just be a wish.

OldLawman
January 16, 2014, 12:38
Worth every penny.

That having been said, I wish there were more readily available magazines for it, or a version of the receiver that took more readily available mags. Whose, I don't know. While I have a whole bunch (50 or so) good metric FAL mags, I have even more for my PTR-91, and man, are they still cheap.

FUUN063
January 17, 2014, 03:13
Well, now that it's out of the bag, it looks like I'm about to get busy!


Leland

Bubacus
January 18, 2014, 17:47
Yikes...Bidding is just south of $4500 for the prototype on GB right now. If it is the manufacturer selling it, they might be able to make a few guns from the profits.

FUUN063
January 19, 2014, 18:29
No, that's not the manufacturer selling it. He lives nearby and is a close friend. Although, those are his pics and that's his table. We've taken many a rifle apart on that table in the living room!:D:p


Leland

Combloc
February 04, 2014, 21:25
The words "crude" and "rough around the edges" should NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES apply to Swiss firearms!

Barbcue
February 05, 2014, 03:36
both Apex and Colorado gun supply dont show these kits as being in stock

any one have any idea who has them for sale ?

12v71
February 08, 2014, 18:05
both Apex and Colorado gun supply dont show these kits as being in stock

any one have any idea who has them for sale ?

Auugghhhhh! Now what do we do?:devil:

1nterceptor
February 09, 2014, 17:49
You snooze, you lose! :D

I wonder if they were sucked up by HCI or someone else who's tooled up to build them. I don't think there were very many of them available.

FUUN063
February 10, 2014, 02:01
He bought a bunch of kits from DSA quite a while back and has been working on the receiver for some time now.


Leland

Barbcue
February 10, 2014, 07:23
so wait a minute ,let me get this straight.

a few places (as in more than one so ive read) are ramping up a receiver that has just barely even come to market to build guns on customer supplied kits that arent available for purchase anymore (already ??)..and people think these guns will be under 2 k ?

HUH ?

i though these kits were being imported in abundance ? (hense the all talk of a under $2k STGW parts gun)

i was waiting for the new kits to be imported recently that have been talked up for months before i bought a few

so,,, where are the kits "that are being or were" apparently imported recently that arnt for sale anywhere now ??

did i miss them ? where were they for sale ?

Guy-epic
February 09, 2015, 18:58
I want one

12v71
February 09, 2015, 22:13
When I get mine, you can check it out. I already have the Hensoldt scope and mount and a pile of mags for it. :biggrin:

hk22045
February 10, 2015, 04:43
Been waiting a long time for any more info to surface. Some rumors in the past about receivers being available in the future but that was 2 years ago. I have my original AMT and a STG-57, but also some kits that i bought maybe 5 years ago.Impossible to remove the cut receiver off the front trunion as it appears to be brazed or welded in. I guess you could mill it off carefully. Who made the prototype? if anybody knows. What are the near term chances for a build service on kits some people in the weeds have from years ago like me. Hope this thread stay alive

Bubacus
February 11, 2015, 07:05
Haven't heard anything lately about these as well...No website for the company.

hk22045
February 11, 2015, 17:51
It takes lots and lots of parts to make one. I took my AMT apart once and it took me 2 months to get itall back to run right. When ever i was thought i was done i always had one part left over. Got a friend in switzerland to get me the service manuals all in german for the stg 57 and the SIG 550. In about 1999 i was able to get a 550 and a 551 for less than $4000 for both. What a deal. No chance anymore 551 are as scarce as hens teeth, but were readily avail befor 2000.
Hope this thread does not die or take an extended vacation We all want more sigs

ALL FAL
February 11, 2015, 18:04
I would like to get factory training on ground up manufacture and assembly for those rifles, and one more thing, where can a stock of barrels be had that are as good as the Swiss made? 2MOA @400M, if the FAL would do that great but its not gonna happen.

Combloc
February 14, 2015, 00:45
and one more thing, where can a stock (insert ANY part name here) be had that are as good as the Swiss made?


That's the part right there that most guys don't get and will never get until you handle an original SIG made rifle. NOTHING that will come to market will be even a fraction as good as original Swiss parts. A large part of what makes these rifles so great is the very fact that they are Swiss made to perfection. Take that factor away and what's the point?? I know the above sounds elitist. But spend some time with a real one and you'll understand. IMO, a 510 has to be Swiss made or it's just silly nonsense.

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/SIG%20510-7/P1110825_zps9ce47e6f.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/Combloc/media/SIG%20510-7/P1110825_zps9ce47e6f.jpg.html)

As for taking one apart and having problems with it after reassembly, I don't get that. These rifles are simple in design. It's the Rolex Quality of the manufacturing process that's so complex.

FUUN063
February 14, 2015, 13:49
Well, as far as "Who made the prototype, it was a group effort between myself, my friend Steve, my BNL and a company farmed out later for the manufacture of the dies that will form the receiver.

Here is the prototype taken apart some time back.


http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z341/FUUN063/SigwithUSfurniture4.jpg (http://s1185.photobucket.com/user/FUUN063/media/SigwithUSfurniture4.jpg.html)


And, together.


http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z341/FUUN063/SigPE57-1.jpg (http://s1185.photobucket.com/user/FUUN063/media/SigPE57-1.jpg.html)


Up close.


http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z341/FUUN063/SigPE572-1.jpg (http://s1185.photobucket.com/user/FUUN063/media/SigPE572-1.jpg.html)


Leland
:fal:

Topbanana
February 14, 2015, 14:10
Are those AR-15 parts on it??? :uhoh:

12v71
February 14, 2015, 15:32
Are those AR-15 parts on it??? :uhoh:

Yeah, I do see different pistol grips and stocks. Good catch.

FUUN063
February 14, 2015, 18:03
It was a "just thinking out loud" moment. Don't worry.


Leland
:fal:

tywest
February 14, 2015, 22:34
Want one soooooooooooo bad its disgusting :facepalm:

hk22045
February 14, 2015, 23:01
the only problem i had was when i took a part the trigger pack to install a new winter trigger. Its a beast to do. But regular cleaning is a snap. One twist and the buttstock is off and the rifle almost falls apart for interior cleaning.

Combloc
February 14, 2015, 23:16
http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=367119

ALL FAL
February 14, 2015, 23:29
Combloc, that was my point, I too believe that the swiss are Master craftsmen and I have watched a -4 Original Barrel trolling deep water at 2100.$$ the guy is asking, GAG ME.

Any of you ever think of going to Switzerland and shipping back Found parts or whole rifles?

12v71
February 15, 2015, 13:59
It was a "just thinking out loud" moment. Don't worry.


Leland
:fal:

Interesting options none the less. :whistling:

wanneroo
February 15, 2015, 16:25
Any of you ever think of going to Switzerland and shipping back Found parts or whole rifles?

Whole rifles, not legal. The best you will be able to do is a parts kit.

Last I looked you could buy these rifles for $300 in Switzerland. I'd hate to see some of them chopped up into parts kits. I'd prefer instead the 1989 ban be rescinded.

I have some great memories of visiting Switzerland 20 years ago and seeing these rifles shot. At that time the reservists still commonly used these rifles.

hk22045
February 15, 2015, 19:32
I still have friends in Switzerland. What parts for a STG57 could they leagelly ship to me with the exception of the receiver naturally.

ftierson
February 15, 2015, 20:05
A few years ago, DSA was selling both SIG 510-4 and StGw-57 kits, including the barrel.

As a matter of fact, DSA had brand new SIG 510-4 barrels for about $150 each if you bought two, and other new parts for the 510-4 too...

For what it's all worth...

Forrest

hk22045
February 15, 2015, 20:06
I still have friends in Switzerlans. What parts for a STG57 could they leagelly ship to me with the exception of the receiver naturally.

ALL FAL
February 16, 2015, 22:51
I should become a Gun smuggler. Worldwide. :)

12v71
February 16, 2015, 23:17
I should become a Gun smuggler. Worldwide. :)

Is that an Stgw 57 in your pants sir? Or are you just happy to be home? :rofl:

APEXgunparts
February 16, 2015, 23:47
APEX Gun Parts has Swiss Stgw. 57 part sets in stock right now.
These were bought and disassembled in Switzerland (per ATF instructions) and legally imported into the USA on a form 6 (cleared US Customs with all excise taxes paid).
Each kit has one magazine included.

https://apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/products_id/3490

https://apexgunparts.com/images/PartsKit/SIG_PE57_Parts_Kit.jpg

Last I checked we have about 15 of these kits remaining in stock.

Richard

mace2364
March 03, 2015, 19:41
make that about 14.......

Bubacus
March 04, 2015, 07:03
I remember when the sporter model came in right after the 89 ban:

http://swissrifles.com/pe57/PE-57-Layout.jpg

mace2364
March 15, 2015, 01:14
So I got a kit, and then I got a barrel. And then I discovered that there are some 510 barrels that are 19.5" rather than 23". So if anyone has a regular length barrel and wants a shorter barrel, PM me I'm looking to trade.

12v71
March 15, 2015, 01:37
So I got a kit, and then I got a barrel. And then I discovered that there are some 510 barrels that are 19.5" rather than 23". So if anyone has a regular length barrel and wants a shorter barrel, PM me I'm looking to trade.
PM sent.

panaceabeachbum
March 17, 2015, 21:42
How does one contact HCI?

12v71
March 18, 2015, 00:40
How does one contact HCI?

Post 23

SWOHFAL
March 18, 2015, 13:59
Post 23

Sure about that?

12v71
March 18, 2015, 20:04
Sure about that?

Whoops. Should have been 25. I was hoping Leland could update us on the progress of this project. :smile:

G3isMe
March 18, 2015, 22:11
So I got a kit, and then I got a barrel. And then I discovered that there are some 510 barrels that are 19.5" rather than 23". So if anyone has a regular length barrel and wants a shorter barrel, PM me I'm looking to trade.

Where did you find a barrel? I am tempted to bring the Apex count down to
"about" 13....:biggrin:.. just want to know what the chances are that a barrel can be found....


.

mace2364
March 18, 2015, 22:32
I found it on gunbroker. But you should look, the seller has more. Just be aware that they are shorter than the barrels those Apex kits would normally use, 19.5" vs 23". You could modify the kit to fit(it's just a matter of shortening the shroud), or I guess you could modify the barrel(thread the end and add an extended device). I don't really want to do either, so I'm going to keep looking.

I also spoke via email with a guy involved with HCI. There may be something forthcoming there.

G3isMe
March 18, 2015, 22:34
Great. Thanks for that information!

mace2364
March 18, 2015, 22:35
I will add that if you want a kit, don't wait. I wanted to get one of these kits a while back. I put it off for the same reason, availability of parts. They sold out, and I ended up waiting like 2 years to get one.

Syntax Error
March 30, 2015, 15:40
Purchased a kit from Apex...hopefully a builder emerges that can reliably piece together Stgw.57s. Even better if it's chambered for 7.62! :fal:

Bubacus
April 02, 2015, 06:11
Wow...if I had a time machine...$299 for the the AMT:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1BxENk8pwAVFyh4PqHA0mtiJuqhhkJ v4e3SjW8-5FE6EdWxjo

mace2364
June 19, 2015, 07:13
If anyone is looking and has deeper pockets than mine, one of the magarms repair sections is on gunbroker right now.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=488818498

Topbanana
June 19, 2015, 09:25
I remember when the sporter model came in right after the 89 ban:

http://swissrifles.com/pe57/PE-57-Layout.jpg

God, talk about an ugly thing.

12v71
June 19, 2015, 20:51
God, talk about an ugly thing.

Hacksaw and Dremel will fix that. ;)

ALL FAL
June 19, 2015, 21:00
Hacksaw and Dremel will fix that. ;)

Don't forget Marinetex...

ALL FAL
June 19, 2015, 21:04
If anyone is looking and has deeper pockets than mine, one of the magarms repair sections is on gunbroker right now.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=488818498

$567$, YOW!!!

12v71
June 19, 2015, 21:31
Don't forget Marinetex...

:biggrin:

12v71
June 19, 2015, 21:33
$567$, YOW!!!

Looks like the cat sprayed it.:whistling:

Combloc
June 20, 2015, 20:56
Wow...if I had a time machine...$299 for the the AMT:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1BxENk8pwAVFyh4PqHA0mtiJuqhhkJ v4e3SjW8-5FE6EdWxjo


Eventually, people will be saying the same thing about the SIG 553's coming into the country right now. Buy now or cry later. That's my general thinking.

Bubacus
August 28, 2015, 06:10
Just saw this to keep the thread going....Neat video just put out about the AMT

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AGG
August 30, 2015, 18:25
Thanks for the cool video!!! :)

Tony

ALL FAL
September 04, 2015, 16:13
Mmm, Swiss Honey's... Don't ya just wanna get your hands on one??

hk22045
September 05, 2015, 04:27
Does any one know if the kits that were available had barrels or not?

raubvogel
September 05, 2015, 12:41
AFAIK, the APEX one don't/didn't.

ABnormal
December 14, 2015, 18:10
Any update on HCI?
I have 2 kits waiting to be built!

FUUN063
December 14, 2015, 21:47
His name is Steve and I have not heard anything lately. He has had two additions to the family (2 grandsons), so this may have slowed things up a bit. If I run in to him, I'll check sometime and see what's up. By the way, the guy in the aforementioned video looks strangely like Steve! Weird...........:biggrin:


Leland:p

12v71
December 14, 2015, 23:36
His name is Steve and I have not heard anything lately. He has had two additions to the family (2 grandsons), so this may have slowed things up a bit. If I run in to him, I'll check sometime and see what's up. By the way, the guy in the aforementioned video looks strangely like Steve! Weird...........:biggrin:


Leland:p

Last I heard, Steve is working 2 fulltime jobs again. He's got my kit and I'm waiting patiently... I know he'll get it done. I have 2 awesome rifles he has built and they are truly works of art. Again... Patience. :bow:

ABnormal
December 15, 2015, 17:31
How can I get in contact with him?

12v71
August 18, 2016, 21:27
Post Deleted. Things are changing. Resolution in sight.

Combloc
August 18, 2016, 23:23
Save up and buy the real thing. You'll be much happier in the end anyway.

12v71
August 19, 2016, 17:44
Modified my last post. Hoping things get better.