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woodstock31
December 29, 2013, 12:26
I saw on JG's site that folding stock rifles are priced at $429 while fixed stocks are $899. Why are they so different? Are there just more folding stock rifles available? The cheapest I'm seeing around here at a few gun shows for the folding stock version has been $600.

jam762
December 29, 2013, 15:29
I saw on JG's site that folding stock rifles are priced at $429 while fixed stocks are $899. Why are they so different? Are there just more folding stock rifles available? The cheapest I'm seeing around here at a few gun shows for the folding stock version has been $600.

Probably because the folders on the Vz58 suck ass.

jdmcomp
December 29, 2013, 16:13
I have a vz58 from AIM and it is a CAI built gun. Nothing wrong with this one. It looks like new but I have not shot it. Workmanship is first rate which for CAI is odd indeed. It was a great deal coming with 5 mags, mag bag,sling and bayonet. The fixed stock you saw was probably a CZ built gun and accounts for the higher price. The folding stock is not very comfortable but does work. Once fixed it is sturdy and the recoil of 762x39 is not enough to worry about. As folders go this is not a bad one at all. One reviewer stated that the CZ builds require welding on the deflector on the barrel to make the min length but that the CAI rifles have new and longer barrels and have a removable deflector.

Lucky for you I understand the receiver is the same for both stocks and switching the around is said to be very easy. Stocks are easy to come by.

And to raise the point, if someone thinks poorly of a product they should have both experience with it and state the specific reasons for the opinion. JAM, you have neither by your post.

jam762
December 29, 2013, 17:19
The stock sucks because:

A) piss poor cheek weld.
B) The upper edges of the stock are just slightly rounded which makes it uncomfortable when shooting...
C) Mine had some lateral wobble when locked open.
D) the push button for unlocking was/is very hard to manipulate.
F) It's heavy compared to the model P stock(wood impregenated rezin)

I recently picked up a "P" stock in the MP & installed it when it arrived. It felt much better without a test fire. Yesterday it went to the range & it is a huge improvement over the folder.

The add that Woodstock is referring to at J&G is for CAI Vz2008 not a Czechpoint rifle.

Czechpoint is about the only place to find the Vz58 P butt stock from an online retailer.

woodstock31
December 30, 2013, 00:11
I picked up the folding stock version from a local show today and so far, I'm very pleased. The stock on my version is very solid but it is hard to activate the button. I think it has more to due with the reparked parts. I haven't decided if I will swap the stock out for a fixed one yet or not. Only time will tell. They are going for $124 which seems like a lot.

The J&G site lists both versions as being Century guns. I still don't understand the price difference.

So far I'm impressed with the rifle but only trigger time will tell me if this one is a keeper.

jdmcomp
January 01, 2014, 11:29
Thank you JAM, and that didn't hurt did it? I agree that there is no cheek weld with this, or for that matter, almost any folding stock. I have owned a few hinged stocks that just used the standard buttstock but they were bulky and did not serve the original purpose. Uncomfortable means you should not try to use a cheek weld on this gun. Yours wobbles a bit but mine does not nor do any others I have tried. As for weight, I doubt there is any real difference. Resin is heavy. Buttstocks are available from several sites I found and vary in price from about $30 to what ever you wish to pay. This is not a target rifle. I quake at the AKs and other similar rifles with highpower scopes mounted. What a waste.

armoredman
January 01, 2014, 14:29
The surplus wooden stock sets made for the vz-58 have run out. CzechpointUSA quit selling wood stocked rifles some time ago. Stocks now have to be new manufacture for them to be sold on the new rifle, which would drastically increase price. There are some manufacturers who are making after market stocks in the original configuration, and I think CzechpointUSA also sells new made stock sets.
I had the original folding stock.
I did not like it, for many of the same arguments posted here. A lot of people use paracord wrapped around the arm of the stock to provide some cheekbone protection during use. I switched to the Zahal folding stock with rising cheek piece a few years ago, and have been completely happy.

woodstock31
January 02, 2014, 01:04
The surplus wooden stock sets made for the vz-58 have run out. CzechpointUSA quit selling wood stocked rifles some time ago. Stocks now have to be new manufacture for them to be sold on the new rifle, which would drastically increase price. There are some manufacturers who are making after market stocks in the original configuration, and I think CzechpointUSA also sells new made stock sets.
I had the original folding stock.
I did not like it, for many of the same arguments posted here. A lot of people use paracord wrapped around the arm of the stock to provide some cheekbone protection during use. I switched to the Zahal folding stock with rising cheek piece a few years ago, and have been completely happy.


What's a Zahal stock?
I think I would prefer to find an original stock to put on it but I'm open to other options too. Where else should I look?

Blackmore
January 03, 2014, 09:22
What's a Zahal stock?
I think I would prefer to find an original stock to put on it but I'm open to other options too. Where else should I look?

Izzy purveyor of many firearm related items. Good to go.

http://www.zahal.org/products/m4-recoil-reducing-folding-buttstock-for-vz-58-polymer-version?path_parent=153451

armoredman
January 03, 2014, 13:40
Close, but this is the one I actually have. Works great.

http://www.zahal.org/products/tactical-folding-butt-stock-cheek-piece-for-vz-58-cz-858?path_parent=153451

pistooli
January 12, 2014, 23:25
What's a Zahal stock?
I think I would prefer to find an original stock to put on it but I'm open to other options too. Where else should I look?

Ironwood designs make great stocks if you want real wood.

http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/IWDHome.html

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/czechthis_bucket/DSCF1239_zps6753dcc8.jpg

ftierson
January 13, 2014, 00:30
Ironwood designs make great stocks if you want real wood.

http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/IWDHome.html

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/czechthis_bucket/DSCF1239_zps6753dcc8.jpg

Looks very nice...

And very close to the wood on the early production VZ-58 before they went to the wood-chip imbedded synthetic.

Forrest

pistooli
January 13, 2014, 14:13
Looks very nice...

And very close to the wood on the early production VZ-58 before they went to the wood-chip imbedded synthetic.

Forrest
The profile is the same, just slightly thicker. I have two with military wood stocks which are nice, but not quite as nice as the ironwood designs wood.


http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/czechthis_bucket/DSCF1131_zps29f77008.jpg

armoredman
January 13, 2014, 15:27
Very nice indeed. I keep hoping you guys can overturn those stupid mag capacity bans up there!

pistooli
January 13, 2014, 15:54
Very nice indeed. I keep hoping you guys can overturn those stupid mag capacity bans up there!

We did even better, last year we got rid of the long gun registration. :)

ftierson
January 13, 2014, 16:05
We did even better, last year we got rid of the long gun registration. :)

Hell...

I thought that you were talking about us here in Colorado... :)

(We'll see what we can do... )


Forrest

12v71
January 19, 2014, 00:07
I hope all the folders arent crap, I just ordered one. I have a non folder I got 2? years ago with the ugly synthetic furniture, I think I paid around 499 for it back then.

DYNOMIKE
January 19, 2014, 22:08
I actually prefer the folder over the fixed stock on my VZ-58

masman
January 21, 2014, 06:24
good gun but the folder sucks. get the fixed stock.

masman
January 21, 2014, 06:25
Ironwood designs make great stocks if you want real wood.

http://www.ironwooddesigns.com/IWDHome.html

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae70/czechthis_bucket/DSCF1239_zps6753dcc8.jpg

any problems with ejected casing hitting that scope?

pistooli
January 21, 2014, 06:57
any problems with ejected casing hitting that scope?

The cases don't hit the scope.

masman
January 21, 2014, 09:33
The cases don't hit the scope.

cool I know that's a problem with SKS's because they eject straight up like the VZ.

armoredman
January 21, 2014, 11:15
The factory stock folder is not good - the multitude of aftermarket folders gives a plethora of options, and the StormWekrz adapters allows many different stocks to be used.

stringfellow1221
January 23, 2014, 21:08
Just be creative with what you have !


http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd467/stringfellow1221/IMAG0696_zps07c1d61d.jpg (http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/stringfellow1221/media/IMAG0696_zps07c1d61d.jpg.html)

albacore
January 26, 2014, 01:52
Just be creative with what you have !


http://i1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd467/stringfellow1221/IMAG0696_zps07c1d61d.jpg (http://s1221.photobucket.com/user/stringfellow1221/media/IMAG0696_zps07c1d61d.jpg.html)

Nice looking folder!

Did you fabricate it?

stringfellow1221
January 26, 2014, 18:33
Yes. I just ran to HomeDepot. Bought some cheapy steel and silver soldered it to the existing folder.

148Infantry
January 27, 2014, 17:58
pistooli is that POSP scope mounted by a standard AK side mount bracket drilled into the Vz receiver? That looks like a very nice set up. Brass doesn't hit the scope and it looks like it is riding lower on the Vz58 than what you see on alot of AK's, can you get a decent cheek weld or it is still a AK style chin weld?

pistooli
January 27, 2014, 18:32
pistooli is that POSP scope mounted by a standard AK side mount bracket drilled into the Vz receiver? That looks like a very nice set up. Brass doesn't hit the scope and it looks like it is riding lower on the Vz58 than what you see on alot of AK's, can you get a decent cheek weld or it is still a AK style chin weld?


It's an SVD rail and scope. The SVD scopes sit lower than the AK ones. Cheek weld is perfect.

The SVD rails can be bought here.... http://www.corwin-arms.com/product/cz-858vz-58-side-mounted-dragunov-type-scope-rail

There seems to be more accessories available in Canada than elsewhere, which is understandable since we can't have AK's.

148Infantry
January 28, 2014, 12:25
Very cool! excellent set up on a nice little 7.62x39 rifle. I will have to check that out for myself! :)

greenpeas
February 04, 2014, 11:19
Probably because the folders on the Vz58 suck ass.

I like the Vz folders. I modified one for my m11 and it works great. The mechanism is nice and solid. Mine doesn't wobble. If the cheek weld bothers you, wrap some cork handlebar tape around it or something.