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fnscar
October 05, 2013, 11:44
Hi,

Can anyone ID this revolver? This is the only picture I got
Thanks

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/94955338@N05/10102210343/" title="Camera Roll-381 by fnscar1, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2834/10102210343_b3db8818ff_b.jpg" width="1024" height="518" alt="Camera Roll-381"></a>

ismith
October 05, 2013, 13:12
Its a pepper box. Are there any makers marks?

fnscar
October 05, 2013, 13:22
I bought it a few days ago. Next monday I will make more pictures. I am not sure if there are any other marks on it.

aardq
October 05, 2013, 15:17
What marks are on the gun? Where are they located, on the lock or on the barrels? Do the barrels rotate or do they all fire at once? More info please, and more and better pic too.

Thanks,
Dan

SWOHFAL
October 05, 2013, 20:35
Pepperboxes weren't flintlocks, IIRC.

Looks like a volley pistol, but the proof marks are probably going to be the most help.

fnscar
October 06, 2013, 07:18
The barrels rotate when fired. I will post more pics on monday. And I will look for proofmarks.
Thanks

SWOHFAL
October 06, 2013, 23:05
Pepperboxes were made as flintlocks, but seems somewhat useless since they obviously needed re-priming after every shot.

Nock in GB and Segallas in Belgium were supposed to be two major makers, so considering Luxembourg's proximity, maybe you should make inquiries in Belgium? It's well-possible that a skilled but otherwise unknown 'smith made such so the maker's or proof marks, if they exist, may be your only clues. It seems these were made just before through the Napoleonic period and it might be a victorious Coalition officer's bring-back.

croftonaviation
October 07, 2013, 07:30
All I can add is that thing looks really cool! Good score.

fnscar
October 11, 2013, 13:13
Thanks for your answers.
I am a little late with the upload of the other pics, sorry...
There are no proofmarks on it.

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fnscar
October 26, 2013, 09:07
I still have no clue where it was made... And what model it is

SWOHFAL
October 26, 2013, 22:28
Maybe sending pics and correspondence to various national museums and armories, like the Royal Armouries in the UK? I'd take a wild-assed guess that this gun was likely made in France, Germany, GB or Belgium and focus on those countries.

aardq
October 27, 2013, 00:26
Major countries proofed all guns. With no proof marks I'd guess that it's a copy made by a lesser known maker or in a small country. Maybe a Spanish gun?

Dan

SWOHFAL
October 27, 2013, 03:10
Major countries proofed all guns. With no proof marks I'd guess that it's a copy made by a lesser known maker or in a small country. Maybe a Spanish gun?

Dan

Spain has been proofing since 1844, mandatory since 1923; UK/England since 1637 (not mandatory countrywide until 1868); France since around 1500 (not mandatory until 1960); Belgium since 1672 and mandatory; Germany mandatory 1891.

The answer is that small makers didn't have to proof until very recently just about everywhere.