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TheOtherTinMan
May 10, 2013, 08:50
I picked up a Swiss .30 cal cleaning kit at a local emporium a couple days ago. I understand what most of the stuff in the kit is, but there are a few items I am not so sure about. Can anyone identify these items and tell me what the heck they are for/how to use them?

Here's the kit itself:

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Here's the three items I have questions about:

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The small mirror (in the middle) I assume is some kind of chamber/bore inspection type device, used to shine light through the bore and/or to hold at an angle to inspect the chamber a little better?

The other two however, I wonder about. This thing looks like a jag, obviously. I guess you wrap a piece of cloth around it and use it to swab the bore in lieu of patches? Or just wrap a patch around it?

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If you'll notice, the jag is basically two pieces together. They cannot be unscrewed, they just spin in place (I guess to allow turning as it pushes along the rifling?). The main question is the front end of the jag has a male screw, obviously so something can be screwed onto the end. I cannot for the life of me think of what you would attach to the front end of a jag? anyone?

Also, this item is beyond my understanding! lol It has at the 'solid' end a female screw. It can be attached to the cleaning rod. I have no idea what the thing is, it reminds me of the case for an AK/SKS cleaning kit, but obviously that is not what is.

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Any help identifying these tools and how they are to be used would be most appreciative.

Oh, and the grease tubes were full of grease! Yay! Very practical, imo, as the lid unscrews and it has a little brush-like thingy attached for swabbing/dabbing grease into the appropriate locations. All in all, a pretty good deal for 14 bucks, eh?

Chalk_2
May 10, 2013, 15:30
I would also like to know.

NEWFNL1A1
May 10, 2013, 15:40
Well I got mine out...I think that last thing is an attachment that you can slip a patch into the slots and wipe/swab out the chamber...

That's my initial impression....

It has a slightly smaller OD than a 7.62 case.

Mine actually looks a little different.....

TheOtherTinMan
May 11, 2013, 00:57
New, I think you are right, that makes sense. That is what I suspected it would be for. In any event, that's what it seems good for.

I really am hoping someone could tell me about the brass jag. The end is threaded to accept a female attachment of some kind and for the life of me I can't think what the heck would go on the END of a jag....

Anybody else got any ideas?

EtherealFog
May 11, 2013, 21:33
Brush on the end of the jag to kill 2 birds with one stone?

TheOtherTinMan
May 13, 2013, 08:26
Brush on the end of the jag to kill 2 birds with one stone?

I have no idea if that was the original purpose but it sure sounds like a good use for it!

NEWFNL1A1
May 13, 2013, 08:37
Didn't some of those European pocket sized sting/chain kits have the ability to hook a brush/swab together and pull through the barrel....I have some of those somewhere..I will look today.

I remember those big fuzzy rod shotgun cleaners had this...on the last pull through (out), you could hook a clean oil swab attachment to the end.

TheOtherTinMan
May 13, 2013, 10:52
Didn't some of those European pocket sized sting/chain kits have the ability to hook a brush/swab together and pull through the barrel....I have some of those somewhere..I will look today.

I remember those big fuzzy rod shotgun cleaners had this...on the last pull through (out), you could hook a clean oil swab attachment to the end.

You mean those G3 cleaning kits you used to get for free when you ordered something from some of the 'surplus' dealers? I've got three of them somewhere.

AGG
May 13, 2013, 14:51
Go to biggerhammer.com; click on "SIG AMT/PE57/550"; click on "SIG PE57 Swiss Parts Catalog (PDF)" (in Swiss)!!! ;)

Tony

NEWFNL1A1
May 13, 2013, 16:13
You mean those G3 cleaning kits you used to get for free when you ordered something from some of the 'surplus' dealers? I've got three of them somewhere.

Sorta like those but mine were from another country...I'll see if I can dig one out. Mine had strings instead of chains but were for .30 cal.

Well the only one I can find is the small kit I modded and carry it in my rifle bag. It doesn't have the extra brushes I was thinking of. Like most you you guys, I've had a ton of this kind of stuff over the years. I have several kits in the rifle bag. I bought these little kits 25 years ago. That plastic tube has "Fur Olbursete" which is apparently Norwegian.

The .30 cal pull thru, tools and brushes are orig to the kit which was in the black tin (inside the vinyl pouch in the last pic). I added the roll up pouch, patches, a USGI oiler/grease and a broken shell extractor.

TheOtherTinMan
May 14, 2013, 09:04
Go to biggerhammer.com; click on "SIG AMT/PE57/550"; click on "SIG PE57 Swiss Parts Catalog (PDF)" (in Swiss)!!! ;)

Tony

I do believe that'll that be 'biggerhammer.net ...

:cool:

Apparently, the metal tube thingy is a 'patronenlager-reiniger d12x75mm', also known as a 'curette pour chambre a cartouche d12x75mm'.

Which according to google translates as 'cleaner cartridge bearings' (from the German). The French term translates as a 'scoop for cartridge chamber' or 'scraper for cartridge chamber'. Google says the German means 'chamber cleaner'.

Sounds like Newfal was right!

gunnut1
August 04, 2013, 13:12
The kit is for the Swiss STGw57\Sig 510\AMT. The slotted round thing is a chamber cleaner. The Swiss use a wire mesh to clean the chamber. The serrated thing with the loop on the end is a cleaning jag. The mirror is for inspecting the chamber. There should be two bottles or cans. The original importation of the these kits had the original Automatenfett in them. Some where along the line the cans were taken out before they were sold to the unsuspecting public. Most were replace with the little military dropper bottles.

These are great kits and will work with any .30 caliber rifle. I have one that still has the original owners name disk on it and a small plastic bubble pack of Automatenfett.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v103/kd5day/sig_sg510_stg57-1_zps490bd16e.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/kd5day/media/sig_sg510_stg57-1_zps490bd16e.jpg.html)