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m60shooter
April 28, 2013, 21:11
i'm starting with this to TRY to build it to military m4 specs, or as close as i can get. it's not colt but it'll have to do, already have all the colt internals & a new colt flat top upper, need a colt 14.5 barrel & an acog scope. having a hard time finding out what style handguards the military is currently using. i see a few different styles in different pics.http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_0991.jpg

Ted III
April 28, 2013, 21:50
Knight's Armament comes to mind but there are more advanced options out there now.

m60shooter
April 28, 2013, 22:53
Knight's Armament comes to mind but there are more advanced options out there now.

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/store/butt_stocks/p2.htm this place has some interesting stuff, i like some of their m4 parts. they also offer tanks, rockets & landmines !

Ted III
April 28, 2013, 23:48
Not really sure about a collapsible stock on an FAL :)
You'd have to make it longer than a standard stock to make it movable then the LOP would be too long.

Land mines on the other hand I could use lol.

BigBoy1
April 29, 2013, 04:06
Since you planning on building a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR), a rifle with a barrel of less than 16", have you paid your $200 BATF fee and received an approval form back from them? Starting construction of an SBR without prior BATF approval can result in "free vacation time" at your local Federal Big House and a fine measured in hundred's of thousands of dollars.

If you are planning on making it selective fire, this is illegal and will result in more Club Fed time and money you will have to provide to the Government. When and if you do the construction, make sure there are absolutely no selective fire parts use in the construction as the BATF frowns up the use of ANY full-auto parts in a semi-auto rifle.

Aeroscout
April 29, 2013, 05:19
Since you planning on building a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR), a rifle with a barrel of less than 16", have you paid your $200 BATF fee and received an approval form back from them?

Or then there is always this.....

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-A2X-Extended-A2-Flash-Hider-Suppressor-p/bcm-a2x.htm

Or.....

If the "extended" FH looks odd to you...You can use a PSA 14.7 inch barrel and permanantly attach the standard length birdcage and bring the overall length to 16.1 inches.

You can have a GI Length M4 Barrel....or...a GI Length Birdcage FH....but not both on the same "Rifle".

m60shooter
April 29, 2013, 08:12
Since you planning on building a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR), a rifle with a barrel of less than 16", have you paid your $200 BATF fee and received an approval form back from them? Starting construction of an SBR without prior BATF approval can result in "free vacation time" at your local Federal Big House and a fine measured in hundred's of thousands of dollars.

If you are planning on making it selective fire, this is illegal and will result in more Club Fed time and money you will have to provide to the Government. When and if you do the construction, make sure there are absolutely no selective fire parts use in the construction as the BATF frowns up the use of ANY full-auto parts in a semi-auto rifle.

no need to do the sbr, the receiver is a title 2, registered on form 4 already. that will allow me to do the short barrel without another tax stamp.

doneill
April 29, 2013, 21:40
Sendra's are well thought of. Good luck with the build. Before the panic you could find Colt uppers but I have not seen one lately.

D

Ted III
April 30, 2013, 13:05
So much misinformation about machine guns online...

Shooter is correct. Machine guns are machine guns and can have any length barrel without the need for another tax stamp.

I find it odd that people are so quick to point out how "you are going to go to jail if you do that" without knowing what they are talking about...

m60shooter
April 30, 2013, 15:35
for those of us who know the rules & regs & have been doing this stuff for a while, we need to remember we were beginners once & need to share our knowledge with those who aren't so familure with some of the nfa stuff. you cant learn if you dont ask !

LoOtTeY
April 30, 2013, 23:06
Do you have an e-mail I have a bunch of pictures of the M4 i'm issued I can take measurement and get you a bunch of info if I do not already know it. Feel free to PM me for my e-mail address.

Thanks,
LoOtTeY

m60shooter
May 01, 2013, 20:41
Do you have an e-mail I have a bunch of pictures of the M4 i'm issued I can take measurement and get you a bunch of info if I do not already know it. Feel free to PM me for my e-mail address.

Thanks,
LoOtTeY looking forward to some closeups of a military issue, i'm still liking some of this israeli military hardware for the m4 /m16

http://www.themakogroup.com/product_p/mepro%20m21.htm

m60shooter
May 03, 2013, 08:22
i already picked up a colt ( standard ) 14.5 " barral from one of the guys here on the site, i like the light weight, dont think i'll have rounds coming out the side of the barrel, that's pushing it just a little too far. i did buy some israeli defense parts, i thaught just to be a little different i'd build it like the one in this link,http://www.riflescopeco.com/About_Us.html

m60shooter
May 03, 2013, 10:00
this is the one i have to worry about overheating ! once i get started i cant stop!http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1005.jpg

daveW
May 04, 2013, 09:37
no need to do the sbr, the receiver is a title 2, registered on form 4 already. that will allow me to do the short barrel without another tax stamp.

Holy crap!, I didnt see the 3rd hole first time around...AWESOME!

TXscout
May 04, 2013, 12:15
i'm starting with this to TRY to build it to military m4 specs, or as close as i can get. it's not colt but it'll have to do, already have all the colt internals & a new colt flat top upper, need a colt 14.5 barrel & an acog scope. having a hard time finding out what style handguards the military is currently using. i see a few different styles in different pics.http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_0991.jpg

Here you go:

M4 R0921 barrel assembly

http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/Barrel_Front_Sight_Assembly_14_5_R0921-1001-289.html

Since you'll be running FA, I'd get the R0921HB/SOCOM version--this is what they went to after some failures @ the gas block and tube during sustained fire.

M4 R0921HB barrel assembly
http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/Barrel_Front_Sight_Assembly_14_5_RO921HB-1002-289.html

Get a set of KAC railed HGs and you are GTG

ETA: I have dealt with Ken Elmore @ SAW and he's a good guy.

Andy the Aussie
May 04, 2013, 18:16
this is the one i have to worry about overheating ! once i get started i cant stop!http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1005.jpg ....good looking Pig.... :D What manufacture ? Abominog and I were photographing a very early one in the Lithgow collection here last weekend. Vertical front sling swivel, rear swivel on the bottom of the butt etc etc. What mount is that it is on, doe not look like anything I have seen before but that does not really mean that much... :D

m60shooter
May 04, 2013, 21:28
the 60 itself is a ria, rock island armory, back in the day, 1980's, they cost $3200 new from rock island. i baught this one used & paid a little more than that but also got a tripod, spade grip conversion D GRIPS, & a few extras. notice the rear sight, it's for the D setup, i like it better than the standard sight, as for the mount, it is a military cradel mount & holds an ammo can. not sure of the model number. the rest of the mount is just something i made for the shoots. i also have the short car, barrel with a foregrip, converts it to a car-60 rambo style. of everything i've ever shot, this is by far my favorite ! i call it my root stimulator.

m60shooter
May 04, 2013, 21:36
Here you go:

M4 R0921 barrel assembly

http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/Barrel_Front_Sight_Assembly_14_5_R0921-1001-289.html

Since you'll be running FA, I'd get the R0921HB/SOCOM version--this is what they went to after some failures @ the gas block and tube during sustained fire.

M4 R0921HB barrel assembly
http://www.specializedarmament.com/products/Barrel_Front_Sight_Assembly_14_5_RO921HB-1002-289.html

Get a set of KAC railed HGs and you are GTG

ETA: I have dealt with Ken Elmore @ SAW and he's a good guy.

thanks scout,i've got one coming from your home state, another guy here on the board sold me a new colt standard take off 14.5 for $335 - flash hider & washer. we'll see how it looks.

m60shooter
May 07, 2013, 20:04
got a brand new colt m4 flat top upper ( given to me, from a mg friend ) & a nos colt 14.5 carbine barrel all installed, all internals installed. just waiting for some israeli hardware to get delivered, then i'll have some updated pics.

m60shooter
May 08, 2013, 16:35
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1008.jpg it's not the one i ordered but it's the newer version, fab defense NFR-RS. i think i got shorted the sling swivels. i'm working on that. also gotta put the delta ring back on.

m60shooter
May 15, 2013, 18:48
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1015.jpg the wheels of motion are turning now, here is the after pic, got all the israeli hardware & a mepro m-21 sight. the only things left besides sighting it in are putting the delta ring on & still waiting on the israeli defense forses sling. it's getting shipped from israel ! i want to thank some of the guys on the forum here who helped me out, you know who you are, thanks. i'll post a few more pics. it looks & feels good, i think i'm happy !

m60shooter
May 15, 2013, 18:54
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1013.jpghttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1014.jpghttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1016.jpghttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1017.jpg

doneill
May 15, 2013, 19:22
how you like the forward grip. It looks comfortable and functional but It would be a big shift from my traditional hold on the fore grip.

All in all a gorgeous firearm build.

Dave O'Neill

m60shooter
May 15, 2013, 19:35
how you like the forward grip. It looks comfortable and functional but It would be a big shift from my traditional hold on the fore grip.

All in all a gorgeous firearm build.

Dave O'Neill

all i can say about the foregrip ( T-POD ) is that it's hell for stout ! it has aluminum legs that are adgustable & it's quick release. i love it !

venombush
May 17, 2013, 07:55
Nice optic :smile:

m60shooter
May 17, 2013, 09:23
Nice optic :smile:

ya, i origionaly thaught about an acog. until a friend of mine in the military said he liked the halographic sites better. i've been playing with it 24/7 around the place here & it seems pretty handy. at least you dont have to turn it on & off ! just grab & go. it's certainly a far cry from what i'm used to shooting. i guess you can call the sendra new school & here is a pic of my old school ! i guess it depends what mood i'm in for the day. lol.http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_0990.jpg

m60shooter
June 09, 2013, 15:17
http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1034.jpgall done now, delta ring installed, israeli defense sling ( nice ) & sighted in. an absolute tack driver, operates flawlesly. t pod foregrip allows nice groups @ full auto when bench shooting. only thing left is a huntertown kestrel suppressor. that's a 90 day wait just to get it to the dealer.http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1033.jpghttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1030.jpg

nitro450exp
June 19, 2013, 11:09
Hello,

Few questions for people in the know. OP

So this is a pre 86 form 4 receiver ?

How hard it it to find a bare MG receiver ?

I would think in todays market, 8 K plus ?

Is this transferable ?

Thanks for the knowledge.
Nitro

m60shooter
June 23, 2013, 12:16
hey nitro, yes this is a pre 86 fully transferable receiver on a form 4. i baught it new in 85. i recently listed the stripped receiver on gunbroker with a reserve of $14800 & it was bidded up to $14600. so i decided to keep it & build it as it is now. a stripped receiver will run almost as much as a complete gun. you dont see them very often, ruben @ nfa weapons has some listed for 16k each i beleave. a colt gun will run you 20K and up. you can find something like my sendra for a little less. olympic receivers are the bottom of the barrel & ocasionaly i see them for 12 to 14 K. m16's are expensive but i've got a far better return on investment with machine guns than any stock or mutual fund ! if i remember right i paid $250 for my sendra receiver back in the day. i paid $1700 for my colt. check out subguns .com nfa board for m-16's for sale. that should keep you up to date with prices. the ones priced right sell very quick !

Timber Wolf
June 27, 2013, 14:57
It's your $14,600 receiver + parts, but that M4 makes me want to gouge out my eyes.:eek: Your “old school” AR however (not to mention the M60) is one smoking hot piece of kit and gives me serious wood! :D I wish I had been on the ball, and had money, back in the 80's.:(:cry:

m60shooter
June 27, 2013, 19:16
ya, if you noticed, i call the 60 my ROOT STIMULATOR ! better than a double dose of viagra. i like the old school stuff, but ever since the gun ban panic i've been hearing a lot of guys talking about the M 4's ( semi auto ) with the flat top uppers & optics of course, and then you gotta have the quad rail & the other goodies. so i finaly heard enough & decided to update the sendra. the optics are nice since my eye sight aint what it used to be but all in all running a 200 round belt thru the 60 can do things for ya that the m4 / m16 cant even think about ! & yes the 80's was the time to buy, but people are buying & selling every day. i still like one old timers saying, ( there 's no such thing as paying too much for a machinegun, you just baught too early ) point being, they have always gone UP in value.

m60shooter
June 27, 2013, 19:47
ALMOST FORGOT, I DONT OWN AN AR ! http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1046.jpghttp://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r158/kasper223/IMG_1044.jpg