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Cold Pizza
April 14, 2013, 21:54
My XD 40 compact is a little too fat. Other than that I love it. I could buy a single-stack 9 (or 40 if they exist), but what about a double-stack 9x18?

Is the CZ 82 (or 83 for that matter) good for this, or is it just a novelty?

Texgunner
April 15, 2013, 15:40
My CZ82 is a very accurate pistol. With appropriate ammo, I don't see a problem.

armoredman
April 15, 2013, 21:38
Why not? Get that $5 holster from CZ-USA, http://shop.cz-usa.com/P-11194/Shoulder-Holster-Cz8382.aspx, and as long as you're legal, and rock on.:bow:

LYCAN
April 16, 2013, 04:28
Why not? Get that $5 holster from CZ-USA, http://shop.cz-usa.com/P-11194/Shoulder-Holster-Cz8382.aspx, and as long as you're legal, and rock on.:bow:

Tiny holster, will require fiting/tweakinunless you represent the lollipop kids...

http://blog.sanfranciscomusicbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/wizard-of-oz-munchkins.jpg

gunplumber
April 16, 2013, 07:10
The CZ 82/83 is my recommended concealed carry gun for those for whom the G19 is too big.

adequate size, caliber, capacity, ergonomics etc. What's not to like?

pmf
April 16, 2013, 15:04
The CZ 82/83 is my recommended concealed carry gun for those for whom the G19 is too big.

adequate size, caliber, capacity, ergonomics etc. What's not to like?

You forgot cheap and C&R eligible (one at least).

kev
April 16, 2013, 20:21
It's all those things. I've got three of the .380's(and one .32 which IS a novelty), but when I think about carrying one I think that it's just a bit big, a bit heavy, a bit wide in the butt,............for a .380. But then I'm comparing it to a plastic framed Kahr 9mm which trumps it every which way but capacity and it's a 9mm(coulda been a .40 in the same envelope). But if you don't have something 'better' to compare it too it's just fine. It's small enough, light enough, and it's a good little pistol. Dollar for dollar it can't be beat,.......that's a fact.

douglas
April 16, 2013, 21:02
It's my off-duty carry piece. Loaded with 12 rds of Silver Bear 94 grain HP ammo. I just shot a 50 round qual course with it and fired a 100. The good sights, decent trigger and the fixed barrel probably helped more than the nut behind the trigger. Several of the range officers were impressed enough with it to ask who, what, where and when about it. I quess that they are fairly sick of their little squaty Glock mini-cannons.
I have a lot of more expensive pistols and revolvers that I could be carrying, but what I have found out after carrying it for the past 2 years or so, is that this pistol will always be with me. It is carried in an old Pro Line inside the waist band clip holster. Tuck it into the waistline and pull a t-shirt over it and you're good to go. I like mine.

kev
April 16, 2013, 22:46
I don't see where the 82's are quite the good deal they used to be, but maybe the 9mm Mak ammo is really cheap somewhere. I don't have anything in that chambering and don't know the prices. The guns themselves were $200-220 last time I looked; now I can't find one for under $300 and few near that.

The 83's in .380 are about the same with most sitting under reserve at $250,.......Buy Now at $300, although I see one on GB for $200 plus $15 to ship. It's got some age on it, but it's decent. I'd take Gary Cole's last one for $170 plus $20 shipping if I needed another(bought all four of mine from him off GB), or at least wait around to see if he lists some more. He had several a week ago. This last one has some deep slide pitting, but it looks to me like poor storage. Other than the pitting, the gun itself looks to be new. I'd Guncoat the slide and stick it in a holster and be happy. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=337345745

(I know I've been hawking his auctions a lot lately, but he's about the only GB seller I've actually bought a pistol from in the last year and a half,.....think I've snagged six and only because I'm broke at the moment)

pmf
April 17, 2013, 13:19
Wow, that's pretty rough looking -- even for $170.

I have a couple CZ-83's I paid around $200 for that are perfect. Best C&R pistol I've ever purchased (and I have damn near every one except a Nagant revolver). They just seemed like a deal and a half when they showed up in the market.

DYNOMIKE
April 18, 2013, 08:30
The Surplus CZ82's and the New CZ-83's are excellent pistols.
In fact IMHO the 83 may be one of the very best .380 pistols available.
Solid well built, very accurate with good triggers and it's a high cap..

BIG 54R
April 18, 2013, 11:12
good guns for carry...practice dry fire from holster (make sure gun and mag are empty!)...I carry in a strikehard gear kydex holster mag carrier combo (owb) which is nice...

Bug Tussell
April 22, 2013, 18:40
My SIL is looking for a self defense weapon. The CZ82/83 looks to fit her needs very well.

doubletap
April 24, 2013, 23:58
Nothing wrong with the Cz! About the same size as a Mak, and I've carried one of those for years, simply because it was "bulletproof" in function, if not particularly svelte in finish and style. A CZ83 in .389 using some of the Buffalo Bore ammo would be a pretty decent carry piece, and with relatively high mag. capacity to boot. All that in a package just a bit bigger than a PPK/S but with nearly twice the mag capacity.
Not that I need one, but there is a .32 cal. version sitting in a local gun shop, been there for WAY too long, and I'm thinking it needs a good home. Might have to see what adoption papers will cost, just because.

Randall
April 29, 2013, 23:28
So, next question. Assuming CZ 82 is your choice. What's your preferred load in 9x18 for personal protection? I don't carry concealed, so this is all academic for me.

AliYahu
April 30, 2013, 02:32
What's your preferred load in 9x18 for personal protection?

Hornady Critical Defense. In any handgun-caliber firearm. Period.

Eli

LYCAN
April 30, 2013, 02:54
Hornady Critical Defense. In any handgun-caliber firearm. Period.

Eli

http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1235632

Randall
May 01, 2013, 16:22
I'm not sold on Hollow Point ammo in lighter caliber guns like the 9x18 MAK for personal defense. I've not done any penetration tests with a 9x18MAK round. However, I've read that penetration is much more critical in a lighter caliber. God forbid I should ever need it, I want something that will bust bones and exit the body.

Personally, I'd probably lean toward a "heavy for caliber" bullet and something that won't mushroom so much if at all...Like maybe 115gr. Plus P FMJ or something like a hardcast bullet.

Not so coincidentally, I also lean toward "heavy for caliber" controlled expansion bullets in my hunting rounds as well. It may or may not make any real difference in the end, but it helps me sleep better. :p

Disclaimer: I'm just arm chair quarterbacking here. Have never ever had a case where I've needed to use a firearm to save myself or a loved one. All I really know about personal defense is what I've read and the videos I've seen.

AliYahu
May 01, 2013, 21:12
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1235632

I don't know what's worse, that you posted a link to the biggest circle-jerk gay bar on the internet, or that it maskes such an asinine arguement!
It's called Critical Defense. Not Critical Offense, not KillZall, not Annihilator. It is called Critical Defense because it is for defensive purposes. Do you really want rounds penetrating multiple layers of sheetrock and killing neighbors or your kids hiding in the next room? Critical Defense was intentionally designed to penetrate clothing and not structures or other cover.

Eli

kmurphy
May 03, 2013, 18:28
Hornady Critical Defense. In any handgun-caliber firearm. Period.

Eli


I have had very good luck with this ammunition. It shoots very good groups in my 82. A little more expensive, but I have spent money in worse ways I suppose.

sevlex
May 09, 2013, 08:55
Food for thought:

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=60

https://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=220

Btw, I carry a CZ82 with Silver Bear hp ammo during warm weather while wearing shorts & hawaiian shirt. I haven't yet made the decision to do the Buffalo Bore ammo, but it looks like it would really do the job.

On the other hand, when it's cold, I carry a G22 - it's easier to conceal under a jacket.

Texgunner
May 09, 2013, 09:20
I bought a box of Fiocchi HP in 9x18 from an old guy in town. It was missing 8 rounds (someone filled a Makorov mag?) Anyway, that stuff is very accurate in my CZ-82. I'm not a great pistol shooter, but that stuff made me look like one with that CZ. I would buy more in a heartbeat if I found some.
Gary

_JB_
May 19, 2013, 07:10
Hornady Critical Defense. In any handgun-caliber firearm. Period.

Eli

HST>Critical Defense.

gates
May 23, 2013, 18:48
Great pistols but HEAVY -

alant
June 08, 2013, 08:40
You're not heavy, you're my brother.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321812

Try to find the magazines with the thicker floorplate like the one on the right.

http://www.freeexistence.org/images/guns/vz82/vz82_magazines.jpg

gates
June 08, 2013, 23:17
In .32 acp - GFL - I bot the last two mags Midway had and they were $55 per. If you rock one set up for the Mak round I could see CC'ing it - for .380 or .32 - no way, too heavy tho 15 rounds of .32 is appealing - there are MUCH better choices these days in the smaller calibers if concealment and weight are the primary concerns, which they are in AZ when it's shorts in 112 degree temps - IMO...