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tulsamal
April 05, 2002, 10:18
I got a K-31 over a year ago from Empire Arms. That's when they were having trouble keeping them in stock even though they were selling them for $249. It seemed like a good price since I had wanted one for years and of course Empire always hand picks all the best stuff. Anyway it came and it was interesting. S/N says it was made in 1948. Came with sling and muzzle cap. The wood was beech and it was heavily indented and water damaged. The butt plate itself was all pitted and bent. I was still happy though because the metal was very nice. No rust to be seen anywhere and the blueing was somewhere in the 90's. No rub throughs anywhere to be seen. Beautiful bore with perfect rifling. And the shooting has been everything advertised for them; it is easily my most accurate milsurp with iron sights. Anyway that's what I got last year. I thought it important to list out first so I could compare it to the AIM $80 rifle.

It came a couple days ago when I was really busy with the children. I cut the box open for a quick peek and was disappointed. The wood didn't have as many dents in it as my other one but it just looked grungy. The blue on the receiver had lots of bare metal showing through. I could see rust spots all over the receiver although they did look like they were just on the surface. I pulled the bolt and took a quick peek and was amazed at the amount of junk in the bore. It was like half a century of dust or something. Almost like velvet or mold from end to end. I sighed and said, "what can you expect for $80?" I figured I finally had one I wouldn't feel guilty about drilling and tapping and maybe even refinishing anyway.

I cleaned it up last night. At first things got even worse. I pulled the stock off and discovered all kinds of spots of rust under the wood. The wood itself is kind of rubbery feeling in place so I'm going to have to work to clean it up. Then it finally occured to me that one of the reasons it looked darker was because it was walnut! Hey, first good news. Maybe I should check the serial number. I came in and ran it on the Mac and discovered I had a 1937 model on my hands. Wow, a real pre-war model. Getting better. I used up a lot of CLP and one of those super fine "rust removing" metal pads that Midway sells. Just about all the barrel and receiver rust came off. Still thin bluing in places but very solid. There was a bunch of rust growing under the trigger housing but I got it under control. That left the barrel.

I ran the brush up and down the tube a couple dozen times with CLP on it and then started with wet patches. Lots and lots of crud but it really looked like just accumulation of airborne crap rather than firing residue. More brushing, more patches. Quick peek. Wow, very nice. Strong rifling, bright finish. I don't think anyone had fired this rifle for fifty years! I'm going to rectify that situation sometime in the next few days!

So I started out disappointed but I ended up thinking my new one is even better in some ways than my old $250 one. Only problem now is I won't want to modify it either!! I'm never going to have one I feel good about drilling on! I do need to figure out what I want to do to make the stock look better.

Oh, one more thing I noticed. This puppy is numbered everywhere! I don't recall seeing this many on my 1948 model. The receiver, the bolt, the magazine, the last few numbers on the rear of the barrel, the inside of the main stock and even inside the top handguard. I'm probably even forgetting some since it seemed like I saw them everywhere. And they all match!

Gregg

bmwguy
April 05, 2002, 11:31
I was happy with my 80 Aim purchase.

I have a 1940, no rust, blueing about 85-90%, walnut stock with some dings and dents,
rifling strong and cleaned up to be mirror bright. Numbers everywhere as you mentioned and they all matched. I didn't have a tag under the butt plate though.

Overall very happy with my first C&R purchase.

DFWBob
April 05, 2002, 16:14
I picked one up for my Dad day before yesterday. It is like yours Tulsamal, a little light rust, but it will clean up nice and make a great shooter. All of my numbers match, and the tag is under the butt plate. The guy that had it was just 2 years younger than my Dad. This is going to make a great Fathers day present.

Bob

hydrotx
April 05, 2002, 16:35
I'll post the report after I get mine today. The UPS guy tried to drop it off yesterday but I wasnt here. I fell in love with the damn rifle after buying one of Centurys $100 specials. It was in primo shape!! Came with the muzzle cap and a sling.

Red4
April 05, 2002, 16:40
Congratulations tulsamal on the elbow-grease up-grade! Auggg! I've been resisting buying one of these for some time now and it's getting harder to do so every time I read a post like yours! My 1k rds of port. came in from AIM last night - wooden crate and all - but going home to a crate of ammo just doesn't have the thrill that another greasy ol' gun would've!

Munster30
April 05, 2002, 18:05
Tulsamal, I got two of Aims, figured that for what they charge for one of the excellents two would be fine. ;)
Just like you, at first glance I was disappointed, the metal was fine but the wood looked like they'd been dragged over the Alps tied to a bumper! :eek: Both are walnut though :cool:
Took both apart the other night. One is a 1934 model and the other is 1936. The 1936 model is in the mid to high 90's as far as the blue is concerned. The 1934 is about 80++%. Bores are both beautiful! Numbers everywhere as well and they all match. The forearms on one had a kind of funky, "character building" repairs. It had cracked and someone handcut and placed two double dovetails perpindicular to the crack. The beauty of the thing is that neither the crack or the repair go all the way through. Whoever did that repair knew woodwork--coulda been a cookoo clock carver. ;) :D
Can't wait to get 'em out to the range.
Give us a range report Tulsamal.
Take care

[ April 05, 2002: Message edited by: Munster30 ]

armedpeasant
April 05, 2002, 18:21
One of my AIM specials was pretty rusty, and I had the exact same thoughts about how I wouldn't feel guilty about refinishing, and drilling and tapping this one. It cleaned up so nice that I will now feel guilty about refinishing, but I'll probably still do it. I might avoid the drill and tap, and go with a scout mount as funds permit.

El Bronco
April 07, 2002, 10:41
My 2 had no Rust anywhere :) The bluing on both are 90%+. The 1948 one had the tag under buttplate and was issued to a Mountain Unit. The post-1952 one has about 98% bluing, both on top and under stock! Unfortunately the stock conditions are crappy.....One was Beech? Stock (1948) and other was a Walnut stock (post 1952 has per the swissrifle ser. info) Anybody know for the post-1952 ser. range of "Ordered by KTA for KMV"???? The rifle in question starts out as 22XXXX which places it in this category.
Thanks!

Bronco

faldoc
April 07, 2002, 15:06
AIM has lowered the price of the shooters to $89.95.

Munster30
April 07, 2002, 23:12
[QUOTE] Anybody know for the post-1952 ser. range of "Ordered by KTA for KMV"???? The rifle in question starts out as 22XXXX which places it in this category.

El Bronco, I had the same question. Sent an e-mail to Stefan at the Swiss parts link on swiss rifles dot com. He sent me the answer but unnfortunately I have it at work on my e-mail. Basically it's the equivalent of an order placed by a government procurment agency on behalf of the military. Sorry, nothing more esoteric than that.
Great rifles, can't wait to get it out to the range and hear: What the hell kinda gun ya got there?" ;) :D
Take care

El Bronco
April 08, 2002, 09:50
Thanks Munster for Info; could you post what that Stephan guy said??

After reading alot of posts, it appears that Beech? Stocks are more prevalant than the Walnut ones. The beech ones seems like softer wood in the "abuse" dept. :(

Bronco

Munster30
April 09, 2002, 14:41
There are some notes after the K31 tables (and before the 1931/42 table)
that give the German/Swiss words for the abbreviations. Of course, one
has to be able to read German to know what they mean ;-)

KTA - Kriegstechnischen Abteilung des schweizerisches Militaerdepartments
(literally, technical battle [or war] section of the Swiss Department of
the Military)

KMV - Kriegsmaterialverwaltung (War Materials Administration)

I'd guess that the KTA is a sort of counterpart to the groups at the
Aberdeen Proving Grounds, but that's just an educated guess.

Regards,

Bryan


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I'm sorry, that wasn't from Stefan but from Bryan who has the reference page on the the serial #'s and Mfg dates.
Basically you must have a rifle that may have been originally ordered for testing! :cool:
Got a range report yet? :)

El Bronco
April 10, 2002, 10:52
Thanks Munster for info, no I haven't fired it yet, but will in the next week or so. The stock is Walnut made in '45 but the Ser # match to the receiver with was made in '52.

So I guess is this a less commonly found rifle?

Bronco