View Full Version : Personal favorite milsurp bolt gun?
March 10, 2002, 08:59
What's yer own bestest milsurp? That unissued M-48 or that beat-to-crap old SMLE?
I like my old Mosin-Nagant M91/30. Made in 1943, refurbed somewhere along the way, and surprisingly accurate for an old dinosaur. :D
March 10, 2002, 09:30
FR-8 Mauser. I got it as one of the u-fixems from century. After replacing the stock and handguard, it looks like it came straight from the arsenal.
March 10, 2002, 09:39
Have a sporterized 03a3 that I just love, great shooting rifle.
redneck whitesox PBR
March 10, 2002, 09:43
Right now my K31 is closest to my heart.
March 10, 2002, 09:51
what redneck said!! :)
March 10, 2002, 09:52
US Krag Model 1898!
One of the finest made bolt actions that you will ever see.
Bolts work smooth as glass and very accurate.
And most people don't know what the hell it is when they see it. Good to have something different at the range. :cool:
March 10, 2002, 10:27
persian mauser! i have a unfired and one that i refinished-they are GREAT rifles - it will shoot 1 moa with port.198 grainers. my second would be the k31 and a close third is my vkt m-39.
boys we live in GREAT milsurp times! i like my black rifles but these old bolt guns "speak" to me.
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March 10, 2002, 11:25
Enfield family :D
March 10, 2002, 12:03
Bolt gun... ...Finnish m39
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March 10, 2002, 12:51
its a tossup between my yugo refurbed k-98 and my 91/30pu sniper.
March 10, 2002, 13:24
it's a toss up between my m39 or MKIII*
March 10, 2002, 13:25
Favorite milsurp bolt gun?
It's hard but I would have to say one of my VZ-24's. It looks beat to death, and has definitely seen battle. There is still a 1/4 inch hunk of shrapnel imbedded in the butt, initials carved in the floorplate, and 4 tally marks cut into the trigger guard.
Rifles with character are my favorite. Something that YOU KNOW has a long story behind its history is what appeals more to me. I have some unissued examples of various types, but they don't have the same "feel" to them as the battle worn examples do.
March 10, 2002, 13:32
One of my two m94/14 Swede calvary carbines, a 1895 and a 1907.
Love that 6.5x55 cartridge.
March 10, 2002, 13:56
Enfield No.4 Mk2, hands down.
But, if I could have found a source for ammo, I might have bought a beautiful Steyr M95 (full length) at the local gun store, which might have become the favorite.
March 10, 2002, 14:03
I have a persian mauser and it's a tack driver. I love to shoot it when the guy next to me is shooting a Wheatherby and my groups are smaller!! Heheheheh.
There is only about a grand difference in our set-up! :D
March 10, 2002, 15:38
M-96 Swede. I've got one that's 99% and it's a tack driver. Wonderful quality.
March 10, 2002, 16:13
Enfield #4 mk1 and then there's the sort of beat up but good shooter #5 Jungle carbine.
March 10, 2002, 16:26
Enfield #4 mk 1 & 2 both tack drivers and you can't beat the 10 rd mag!and actions smooth as silk! my 03a3's I love also just as accurate but only 5 rds at a time!
March 10, 2002, 16:28
First place is a toss up between my VZ24 and my unissued M48A. The M48A is a tack driver due to the new barrel but the VZ24 is in more milsurp condition/character. For some reason the M48A's recoil is quite light compared to my other milsurp bolt guns. Second would be my M1917 Eddystone. It's only drawbacks compared to the mausers is the cock on close and the recoil of the 30-06 and the barrel is in poor shape but it still looks cool. Third would be my VKT M39. Not a show stopper but it's still "very" accurate. It's main draw back is the felt recoil of the 7.62x54. Talk about BRUTAL...! RB
March 10, 2002, 16:33
Any of my K98's, the process, inspections, and attention to detail. Very robust design.
March 10, 2002, 18:29
Finn M39 with out a doubt.Will most likely purchase a M44 and will get back with you. :)
March 10, 2002, 18:33
My Swede M96b, it was made in 1903 and it is so sweet. I'm not sure what I'm gonna do for its 100th birthday, I'll probably just shoot it.
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March 10, 2002, 18:33
A Polish M-44 I have affectionately dubbed "Thumper". If you've ever fired one, you know why!!! :D
March 10, 2002, 19:02
Anything German or Swiss, especially the K31.
March 10, 2002, 19:07
Toss up between a Finn M39 or a Finn refurb Ruskie 91/30. Both have actions as smooth as glass and virtually no recoil with the 54r cartridge.
March 10, 2002, 19:20
1903A3- I started out getting a bubbaized sproter and it's being restored. Got the last pieces blued and soaking in oil for a few days before rebuilding. I can't wait to shoot it! I'll be posting before and after pics when it's done.
1903 Greek Mannlicher Schoenauer. I have two; full length rifle and one of the carbines. Krag would be a close second; US, Danish, and Norwegian. I have one Danish that has been lightly sporterized and converted to .45-70,....really neat. Long Branch No4 receives honorable mention. That's the one I would choose for any serious purpose.
One thing they all have in common is a glass smooth action. I hate clunky guns. Guess that's why I like the FAL.
March 10, 2002, 22:14
My 1916-dated Swedish Carl Gustafs manufactured Model 1896B.... beautifully streamlined in appearance and sweetly accurate. :)
March 10, 2002, 23:13
K-31 swiss, or the 1911 swiss. Great rifles.
I also have a '43 Enfiend No.4 Mk1 with Parker Hale sights that will shoot MOA with handloads. Love that gun.
March 10, 2002, 23:18
My No4 Mk2 Enfield , I trade a Charles Daly straight across for it ! SO we know who got the better of that deal ;)
March 11, 2002, 00:09
Swedish Mauser :)
March 11, 2002, 00:53
My Israeli K98. Its a good companion to my FAL. :cool:
March 11, 2002, 07:58
Like my 48's and my Persian and my No. 4 Mk II , etc..... BUT
definately one of my M39's, probably the worn, cracked stocked Sock-oh....... it's been there and it has Done that!
March 11, 2002, 08:48
Hmmm, my 1899 Oberndorf Swede. No, the M48 Mauser. No, let's see, the Persian Mauser. Oh wait, No, it's the WWII German beater.
Oh heck, it isn't one it's all of them.
The Persians are elegant; the Swedes are easy on the shoulder and classy looking; the 48's are brand new or look that way and the old Germans' could tell a story and very worthy of having.
Jeffrey K Hampshire
March 11, 2002, 10:06
My favorite has a little history, it is a K9k ZF41 german sniper that is extremely accurate. What makes it even better is that my uncle picked it up off the battlefield during (or immediatley after) the battle of the bulge. It is an AR (Mauser Borsigwalde) manufactured in 43 with a no prefex serial # of 166. You wouldnt think a 1.5 power scout type scope would be that accurate but just ask Ian Mor (see lake effect shootout in GD) this liitle baby will stack em even during 50 to 60 mile per hour cross winds and whiteouts, the Germans had confirmed kills with this model in excess of 500 meters so dont believe people that say the 8mm is enemic ;)
March 11, 2002, 10:28
I'm liking my Turk Mauser. Best $40 I ever spent. When I'm tempted to spend $40 on a night out on the town I'll just order another rifle instead.
March 11, 2002, 12:39
The Mauser Family.
Grandpa Sven, who migrated from Germany to Sweden in 1896. The years in Sweden were good to him; his tiger striped stock is in beautiful shape as is the deep bluing and almost pristine barrel.
Then there's Uncle Brno. Uncle Brno thinks he's an emporer or something. He's pretty tall and regal looking with all of his finery. He's dressed like an emporer to boot; beautifully figured wood that's lusturously finished. He has a deeply polished rich, almost black, blue finish and his barrel is pristine. He's a smooth guy and right on target when he speaks.
Then there's Uncle Heinz. Uncle Heinz was in the war and doesn't say too much anymore. When he does speak he's kind of off, but then again he was in the war. Heinz was born in 1944 and looks like he got carried and dragged throught about every desperate campaign during the closing year of that war.
We let Heinz come home with the intention of sending him to extensive re-hab, but then that would be kind of a shame.
The Mauser family sure got around, there are cousins in just about every country on Earth, each with their own coats of arms and unique little details. It's a great family. :D ;)
March 11, 2002, 14:42
Swedish M96. Best group I ever shot was out of one of these. (0.20" @ 100) I have 4 now.
3 Gustafs and 1 Obendorf.
March 11, 2002, 17:23
Fazakerly #5mk1, then either the #4mk1 Savage or the #4mk1 Long Branch.
March 11, 2002, 18:13
For character --Russian Mosin-nagant with emblem of Peter the Great just slightly scratched by some Bolshevik bastard.
Fun -- Nagants take it again --my teenage son shot one of my M44's (Polish Carbine) at the range after a pep talk from me--later on I asked him to describe to his brother what it was like to shoot. He just looked dazed and said: "....bbbbbbooooooooooommmmm!!!!""
Honorable mention goes to persian and swedish mausers for workmanship and appearance (people that hate guns will ask if they can hold these); the Fin39 is just a neat gun to mess with (unloaded) on a rainy night. Turk mauser is the classic beater-cruffler. The positve action on the Mk4 enfield is slick, but the weapon is more effective as a club than anything else. Thought the French MAS 36 was an idiotic investment until I saw "We Were Soldiers" --those french foriegn legion guys were actually working these things while the Viet's were charging them spraying AK's and SKS's ...and that was 1954, no less!!
March 11, 2002, 19:40
Russian M-91 1916 pre commie. Smooth as silk,and the longest thing at the range.
even has teeth marks in the buttstock. :cool:
March 11, 2002, 21:35
My 1917 Remington Enfield(30-06) or my P-14 Winchester(.303) are the "Cat pajammas" :p
I don't see too many around these days & they always get looks at the Range :D
March 11, 2002, 22:23
Remington 03a4 with m84 scope hands down...
For character, this one wins,........
Boer War Mauser Carbine. Typically carved ZAR(South African Republic). The Boer soldier has carved his name in the forearm: J H Potcieter. The British soldier who apparently captured the rifle has carved his name in the butt: J J Webb. The Carbine still has the original leather sling and carbine sling ring.
For more pics, http://community.webshots.com/album/33030719IhxmPf
This one is serial 6291. If you look in the 1975 Guns and Ammo Annual, there's a nice article on Boer War mausers. On page 72 and 73 there's another carved carbine like this one, serial 6245.
March 12, 2002, 08:42
M39 VKT - Accurate, accurate, accurate. And in as issued condidtion (unit disk, use marks, etc.) that put this one on the short list of never-to-be-traded rifles.
My runner up is an Indian No.1MK3 grenade launching rifle. I really wanted to dislike this thing for it's crappy finish, heavy weight, and generally scary appearance, but it's a shooter. The bolt is a lot smoother than the M-N, too - a big deal for a lefty.
March 12, 2002, 12:44
My M-44, the entertainment value is like the 4th of July. I am also amazed how well it is made.
Blood of Tyrants
March 12, 2002, 12:54
The next one I get.
March 12, 2002, 18:24
The Swedish Mausers are deffinately the best shooters in bolt guns.
I have 2 K-31's and 2 M96's.
M96 is my favorite, what quality and the smoothest actions I've ever come across.
If you love bolts you need to get a Swede! :D :D :D
March 12, 2002, 18:50
my 1st choice - Swiss K31 -> most accurate of anything I have
2nd choice - 96 Swede Mauser - just slightly less accurate than the K31
3rd choice - Enfield Mk4 #2's.....love that adjustable micrometer sight
4th choice - the Steyr carbine in 8x56r - the recoil on this little carbine is brutal, the worst of anything I own. Always gets a lot of attention at the range. Also, has driven me to learn to reload this berdan primed case....
March 12, 2002, 19:49
M-39 VKT smooth, accurate,
March 13, 2002, 00:38
Swedish Mauser M96. I have two, and want more, especially a M38.
Kev, did you sell yours yet?
The 1942 Husky is gone, along with a standard M96 I never got around to advertising. Still have the long and short Oberndorfs.
March 14, 2002, 08:14
I agree with Gunhead. Remington 1917 Enfield. :)
March 14, 2002, 09:02
I guess my P-17 Eddystone .30 is a best bolt milsurp. It's not an import; I think an Ex-American Legion rifle and I've only had it three years; no scars or pitting; almost unissued. Cost? $135. I think I'll keep it fo a few years more. Another is a 7.7 Jap my uncle brought back from his hitch in the navy--complete with bayonet, scabbard, receiver dust cover, muzzle cover, sling, and bipod. And best of all--a capture. Mum intact!
March 14, 2002, 16:10
FN 1950 Carbine. Fierce blast and noise, but best all around C&R rifle I own.
March 15, 2002, 15:29
I have a hard time deciding between my Swede 94 and an Argentine 1891 Carbine, they are both so cute, but I have yet to fire my K-31 Swiss.
March 16, 2002, 08:06
2. #4 Enfield
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