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February 05, 2002, 15:48
I was looking at the bound book form that Jen posted a link to and it looks as if there is provision for transfers where 4473 is required. Am I interpreting this wrong?
February 05, 2002, 16:01
Originally posted by FALPhil:
<STRONG>I was looking at the bound book form that Jen posted a link to and it looks as if there is provision for transfers where 4473 is required. Am I interpreting this wrong?</STRONG>
Here's the link to the BATF FAQ on Collectors. Hope it helps.
February 05, 2002, 16:26
NO...C&R cannot do transfer. The Boundbook you are looking at is for 01 as well as 03.
February 05, 2002, 16:40
Yeah, what law said.
No transfers can be made with a C&R. It is issued for personal collecting, not transfering or to be used as a platform to conduct business.
February 05, 2002, 16:45
Well, I wouldn't use it for business, but how does a "collector" collect non-C&R without going through a Type 01? After all, there are guns that are collectible which are not on the C&R list.
February 05, 2002, 17:35
On a C&R FFL you get to collect C&R's on the list. If you want to collect non C&R's, you gotta go through regular channels; i.e get em' 4473'd through a regular FFL or get your own "regular" FFL.
runnin an gunnin
February 06, 2002, 13:01
No a C&R licensee has no capability to do a 4473 transfer of a C&R gun over to a non-licensee.
Law4Fun & Faltitude,
Yes the license issued to enhance personal collection of ATF deemed C&R guns.
A licensed Collector of Curios & Relics may obtain, keep, dispose of C&R guns. That means I can buy 3 C&R rifles .. only like 1. Sell the other 2 off. You can not engage in the business though. To dispose of a C&R you may sell to an individual in your state of residence. You must obtain his full name, address, and an ID preferably state issued DL. Same applies to C&R handguns but you must receive a permit to purchase as issued to the buyer from his sheriff.
Best way to dispose is to go to another FFL PERIOD! ATF will not look at FFL transfers as engaging in the business. They will if you have bought 30 guns .. sold 25 .. and all papered (see above) to an individual.
February 06, 2002, 13:29
Originally posted by runnin an gunnin:
Best way to dispose is to go to another FFL PERIOD!
Truer words have not been spoken. Usually, without fail, if you try to sell something at a gunshow, a non FFL (01 or 03) buyer will always bitch and moan about having to give name and info and will usually refuse to give DL info. I'd rather only sell to someone who either has their own FFL or who has a transfering dealer send me his/her FFL to log out to.
runnin an gunnin
February 06, 2002, 13:39
That said ... I usually give a mauser or whatever to my dad or grandfather for xmas and "paper" it to them. I notate in my log that it is a gift and I feel comfortable with that. :cool:
I dispose of all others through an 01 FFL.
February 06, 2002, 15:49
No need, you just log them out per the bound book. As an unemployed guy my bound book is at about %50 sold. The C&R is strictly so you can obtain out of state firearms without using an FFL. It basicly allows you to transfer rifles to your collection. They would determine if you are in business but there are generally no problems letting some go. This is collecting and no one can tell you that selling 5 to obtain 1 better one is not collecting, but that's exactly how I would do it and your bound book and nicer example is evidence of that fact. Perhaps I'll loose my license if inspected, but I doubt it given the circumstances. I'm trying to keep all the nicer ones, but in one case I sold an import P08 luger and bought an all match non-import PO8. Logged one out, logged one in. I think if you did a few buy 5 for a 100 on "whatever rifle" and did it a few times and had nothing to show you would loose your license. Sorry to ramble, but it's about all that is not clear as to the C&R license, everything else is quite clear and either you break a law or you don't and getting fancy with paperwork wont help then.
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