How to get your CC&R FFL License

[Jen]

The process to get your CC&R FFL Licence is quite simple. Here are the steps for you to help you on your way.

<UL><LI><STRONG>Get the Forms</STRONG>You can either download and print out (8.5x14" paper) a copy of the required forms or you can request original copies of the application forms from the ATF by contacting the National Licensing Center.

** Forms must now be requested from the ATF and they will be mailed to you. Online forms requests can be done at http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm

Forms Required (No longer available online):<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ATF Form 5310.16 - Application for License (Collector of Curios and Relics) (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/f531016.pdf)<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ATF Form 5330.20 - Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C 922(g)(5)(B) (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/f533020.pdf)

National Licensing Center
2600 Century Parkway NE
Suite 400
Atlanta, GA 30345
(404) 417-2750
</LI>
<LI><STRONG>Fill out the Forms</STRONG>
This should be self explanatory. Just follow the instructions on the form and fill everything that applies out. You need to fill out two copies of the form (See Below).

UPDATED: You now also need to submit the form for Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B) which asks for information regarding your country of citizenship. If you don't send this in it is highly likely that your application will be seriously delayed and possibly denied.
</LI>
<LI><STRONG>Send in the Forms</STRONG>
One copy of the forms you filled out is to be delivered to your local CLEO the other sent to the Dallas office of ATF for processing.

You DO NOT have to get a CLEO sign off on the CC&R application. You only need to deliver a copy to them. I recommend using Certified Mail as this provides proof that you sent a copy to your local CLEO.

The Address to send your ATF copy of your application to is:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
P.O. Box 845219
Dallas, Texas 75284-5219

You need to remit $30 payable to The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for the license with the copy that you send to ATF.
</LI>
<LI><STRONG>Wait..</STRONG>
Now you get to wait for your License. I believe this usually takes up to 6 weeks, however may take longer due to the new mail security precautions being taken on mail sent to government offices. Assuming you have no criminal history you should get your license in about 6 weeks.</LI></UL>

That's it.

[Jen]

A note on CC&R Record Keeping:

The ATF doesn't provide you with much of anything about how to keep CC&R records except a bunch of, as usual, really confusing regulations.

You must keep a CC&R Log book for the C&R weapons your receive or dispose of. You can find a sample online of what this log book should look like and what information it should contain at: PDF C&R Log Book Sample (http://www.cruffler.com/boundbook2.pdf)

You can also get a nice package put out by RK Enterprises which has a FFL Disposition Record (Who you sent copies of your CC&R License to), Multi-Weapon Transaction Record, Personal Firearms Record Book, Collector Record Book and a C&R Wholesalers listing. It has everything you need to stay compliant and then some. You can find the writeup on this HERE (http://www.cruffler.com/accessory-review-june-00.html).

Here's the contact information for the company selling the CC&R Kit:

RK Enterprises
2616 Las Positas Road
Santa Barbara, California 93105
(805) 687-1416
Fax: (805) 687-4565

[ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: Jen ]

[awp101]

Also, the C&R forums here: gunsnet C&R (http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=337) and here: The Cruffler (http://www.cruffler.com) are chock full of good info!

I'm using just about all of em to get mine done right.

[idsubgun]

Here is a link that will answer some questions. It's the ATF's own site.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm

[csam]

The ATF does not seen to be responsive. I am glad we have the forms to download. I had tried to call them in the past, adn you cannot get a human to answer. To order the forms from them, you were supposed to leave them a message. Never did get any forms or a call. Tax dollars at "work"?

[timccart]

I emailed them and had forms in 3-4 days. 8 weeks, still haven't received C&R.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Jen, can you make this topic appear at the top regardless of the last post. You know, like the threads for kit refunds and WAC receivers.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Wow! That was fast!

[Jen]

Topic Topped.

timccart: Everything mailed in the fed gov has slowed down due to the anthrax scare. They have to irradiate and then chemically treat all that paperwork you sent in to make sure you're not sending them some nasty bug.

['TUDE]

Not like the good ole days.
Requested forms over phone, received 5 days later. Submitted complete forms on March 15,2001, received C&R March 27,2001.

[PassatDvr]

Mailed my app November 20th. Check cleared first part of december. Guy in Atlanta just got the app last week. He said that all ATF mail goes to Dallas where it is tested and then forwarded to Atlanta. He told me that it would be about a month. I told him I was a LEO and he said that would cut the time down. I've got the Atlanta number at the office. If anyone is interested I'll post it tomorrow.

Anxiously Awaiting...

[timccart]

Thanks Jen. We humans are an impatient breed.

[rob1]

You folks should be glad that it is taking so long, because once you get it, you won't have any money! I keep on thinking about building another FAL to go with the two I have, but I keep finding neat c&rs to spend my coins on!

[timccart]

Woohoo! NLC said mine was mailed Jan 30...waiting patiently(not)!

[NC_Rebel]

Originally posted by rob1:
You folks should be glad that it is taking so long, because once you get it, you won't have any money!LOL this is true. So many guns, so little money.

Folks, I'm the mod at the Enfield Forum on another board. I'm going to visit over here more often. If I can be of help, just drop me a line. :)

[stand watie]

Faltitude,
i LIKE your 3rd National graphic!
for dixie,sw :D :D :D :D :D

[garandman]

Can somebody gimme a working defintion of what firearms are included as "C & R??"

[Jen]

ATF Firearms Curios or Relics List (http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/curios/index.htm)

[TapperMan]

Can somebody gimme a working defintion of what firearms are included as "C & R??"

Just follow idsubgun's link above to the ATF site. It has an online list.

[BlueDuck]

What is a CLEO? How do you find out who this thing/person is? Thanks for any replies.
Brandon :confused:

[Right Arm]

Is there a downside to having a C&R FFL? Such as opening yourself up to BATF scrutiny, having all of your guns that aren't C&R inspected, listed etc. What are the regs like for sales of C&R weapons as a dealer?

[law4fun]

Originally posted by Beaurt:
<STRONG>What is a CLEO? How do you find out who this thing/person is? Thanks for any replies.
Brandon :confused:</STRONG>

Chief Law Enforcement Officer
Either the chief of police or sheriff, depending on whether you live in town or in the county.

[law4fun]

Originally posted by Right Arm:
<STRONG>Is there a downside to having a C&R FFL? Such as opening yourself up to BATF scrutiny, having all of your guns that aren't C&R inspected, listed etc. What are the regs like for sales of C&R weapons as a dealer?</STRONG>

Yes...you are subject to ATF scrutiny of your C&R weapons and bound book. They cannot come to your house without making an appointment unless it is with a warrant. If they want to do a bound book inspection, you can have it at their office where they don't come to your licensed premises location. As to regs for sale of C&R weapons as a dealer...don't go there. As a C&R holder, you are not a dealer. You are a collector. You can sell to another FFL or a resident of your own state just like a private citizen.
I am sure that I missed something that someone will pick up... :D

[BlueDuck]

Thanks for the replies to my questions and general posts. I just downloaded my C&R forms and filled them out. Sending them to the CLEO and ATF today! :D Do you guys thing that being on an Army post will make it more difficult or possibly easier for application approval. Should I call the ATF and ask? Thanks for any replies.
Brandon

[Jen]

Beaurt: It probably wouldn't matter for the application process, but you might want to check the regulations on your base to make sure you can possess the weapons on base.

Many bases are apparently moving to either a registration system (you have to register your weapons with base command) or you have to store your weapons at the base armory or some such.

[BlueDuck]

I already have to register all my weapons with the Provost Marshal, I think the equivilant to the CLEO for post. I can keep my weapons in my quarters as long as they are registered. I guess I will check with the MPs to see what the deal is with the C&R permit. OOOPPS, I already sent it off. I have no discipline. I hope it is better to ask forgivness than ask permission. :rolleyes:

[slv2fun]

OK, Sorry if I sound ignant...
why get a type 3 FFL..ie what is the difference between the type 3 ffl vs the type 1 ffl (I already know that the type 3 costs $30 bucks versus the type 1 which costs $200 bucks, and that the type 1 allows modern weapons transfers. But is there more scrutiny with a type 1? Can you NOT sell C & R firearms with a type 3?)

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Originally posted by Jen:
<STRONG>The process to get your CC&R FFL Licence is quite simple. Here are the steps for you to help you on your way.

<UL> Get the Forms</STRONG>You can either download and print out (8x5x14" paper) a copy of the PDF CC&R Application Form (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/f531016.pdf) or you can request an original of the application from the ATF by contacting the National Licensing Center.

National Licensing Center
2600 Century Parkway NE
Suite 400
Atlanta, GA 30345
(404) 417-2750
</LI> <STRONG>Fill out the Forms</STRONG>
This should be self explanatory. Just follow the instructions on the form and fill everything that applies out. You need to fill out two copies of the form (See Below).
</LI>
<STRONG>Send in the Forms</STRONG>
One copy of the forms you filled out is to be delivered to your local CLEO the other sent to the Dallas office of ATF for processing.

You DO NOT have to get a CLEO sign off on the CC&R application. You only need to deliver a copy to them. I recommend using Certified Mail as this provides proof that you sent a copy to your local CLEO.

The Address to send your ATF copy of your application to is:
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
P.O. Box 845219
Dallas, Texas 75284-5219

You need to remit $30 payable to The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms for the license with the copy that you send to ATF.
</LI>
<STRONG>Wait..</STRONG>
Now you get to wait for your License. I believe this usually takes up to 6 weeks, however may take longer due to the new mail security precautions being taken on mail sent to government offices. Assuming you have no criminal history you should get your license in about 6 weeks.</LI>[/list]

That's it.

[ January 29, 2002: Message edited by: Jen ]

:)

[FAL_FREAK]

Okay I've got a question on this. If I were to be living in an apartment would that make me ineligible for a C&R? I don't see why, but stranger rules exist so I thought I'd ask before filling out dem forms. :D

[duncan]

For the curious....

C&R application mailed: 1/10/02.

Check for C&R cashed: 1/22/02.

Big package from ATF: 4/4/02.

C&R license from ATF: 4/4/02.

Now the question: Anyone here dealt with Allan's Armory? Good experience? Ratings honest?
http://www.allans-armory.com/

[7idl]

what are the 'guidelines' for submitting your license to dealers?

just throw a signed copy with DL into an envelope to the dealer or what?

['TUDE]

When I received mine, I just mailed a signed copy to all the dealers who carry C&R firearms listed in Shotgun News. There are others, but the majority place ads there. I also sent a note along with my C&R asking to be placed on their mailing/email list.

[justashooter]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jen:
[QB]The process to get your CC&R FFL Licence is quite simple. Here are the steps for you to help you on your way.

thanks, jen. it was simple only because you led the way. keep this post up. it's good to have somebody throwing down the markers,

scott

[Spartacus]

Must be nice for some of you to have 1-2 month turn around on CC&R. I mailed mine in the end of January and still no sign of anything. Check got cashed the first week though. :(

[wdigeorge]

BTT - I don't know why this fell off the top of the list. A very good post for people getting their C&R's.

I just got my C&R with the help of the information from this post.

Jen, can you put this back up at the top?

[jimmyjoebob]

I heard that a lot of recent applications are being returned because they added another form as well. The new form, tho I forgot the name, is one of those " Yes I am a citizen of the US" forms, it is posted on their website.

HTH
James

[Skilter]

I have read and will shortly fill out all documentation to get my C&R.

One question of clarification... Some of the information I have read says that you must log the disposition of "ALL firearms" and some say that you must only list the disposition of "ALL C&R firearms".

This could be a big sticking point with me since private transfers in Texas is legal. Which is it?

Thanks,
Skilter

PS- having a C&R has other benefits too. Especially regarding transportation of C&R eligible NFA weapons. Be careful though, local laws change from place to place with regards to possesion of NFA weapons.

[justashooter]

sent in my app april 2nd. check was cashed apr 10th.

nothing yet, but patience is my only virtue.

[7idl]

Originally posted by Skilter
....One question of clarification... Some of the information I have read says that you must log the disposition of "ALL firearms" and some say that you must only list the disposition of "ALL C&R firearms".....

This is one of them topics that has been debated on a grand scale. The way I see it, seeing how you are logging stuff into an Acquisition & Disposition Record book and is required by rules governed by your license, then Only those items aquired by the use of your license are required to be logged.

[Pa. Patriot]

This is one of them topics that has been debated on a grand scale. ...

I don't see why, the regs clearly state that C&R firearms acquired with the license are what needs to be logged in and out. Not much to debate :)

IOW, if you didn't use your C&R to aquire the piece it does not go in the log book.

[Pa. Patriot]

Speaking of log books... I too just obtained a C&R license and after checking out the several free bound book pages available on the web I decided to make my own "improved" version ;)

Here it is: BoundBook1.xls (http://www.millenicom.com/~patriot/CR/BoundBook1.xls)
Hope someone finds it useful.

[Mountain Mosby]

Just sent my paperwork in today. Thanks for all the tips Jen and Y'all!!! I sent it and the one to CLEO certified with a recieve reciept request....

I'll let ya know when I get it...

[Bearwhositshere]

The two forms that the ATF require are the:OMB No. 1512-0518 Application for License (Collector of Curios and Relics)
And The OMB No. 1512-0571 Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B). The second one being the new form certifing that you are a citizen. Hope this helps.

[Viking 42]

Howdy. I'm new here. Hope ya don't mind...

I was pointed to this forum by the C&R forum I frequent the most.

http://www.milsurpshooter.net

I highly suggest you visit there if you are planning on getting your C&R.

Seeya around!

[Bob Hauser]

Originally posted by law4fun


Yes...you are subject to ATF scrutiny of your C&R weapons and bound book. They cannot come to your house without making an appointment unless it is with a warrant. If they want to do a bound book inspection, you can have it at their office where they don't come to your licensed premises location. As to regs for sale of C&R weapons as a dealer...don't go there. As a C&R holder, you are not a dealer. You are a collector. You can sell to another FFL or a resident of your own state just like a private citizen.
I am sure that I missed something that someone will pick up... :D


Last I knew, the ATF was talking about requiring C&R holders to keep a running list of weapons with serial numbers with the local CLEO. Also they were going to hold C&R's to the same storage requirements as regular FFL holders, like iron bars on the windows, ect.
Was this just a scare tactic or is there any validity to this?

Thanks,

Bob Hauser

[John Culver]

Originally posted by Bearwhositshere
The two forms that the ATF require are the:OMB No. 1512-0518 Application for License (Collector of Curios and Relics)
And The OMB No. 1512-0571 Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B). The second one being the new form certifing that you are a citizen. Hope this helps.


Working on getting all my stuff ready....where do I get the second form?

[Jen]

Here's the new list of C&R Forms and their links. These links require Adobe Acrobat to be viewed:

Application for License (Collector of Curios and Relics) (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/f531016.pdf)
Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C 922(g)(5)(B) (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/f533020.pdf)

[2ifbyC]

Sent my Application for License (Collector of Curios and Relics) July15th. Yesterday I received the Certification of Compliance form from Atlanta. It's going out today.

I wonder if I had included the CofC if I would have my C&R now?

Oh well, it'll be an early Christmas anyway!

[Bearwhositshere]

Originally posted by 2ifbyC
Sent my Application for License (Collector of Curios and Relics) July15th. Yesterday I received the Certification of Compliance form from Atlanta. It's going out today.

I wonder if I had included the CofC if I would have my C&R now?

Oh well, it'll be an early Christmas anyway!

Yep, I sent mine out on the 15th of July and got it in two weeks flat.

[RedmondBOFH]

Yeah, they sent me one of those to fill out. I mailed it back and within a week, I received lots of books. Early the next week, the purty form showed up in my mailbox, followed by another copy of the C&R List.

Now, I'm mass-mailing people I buy things from. ;)

[Insider]

I've been waiting since the Forth of July, got the citizen form the 23rd, returned the next day, haven't heard anything since.
What is the e-mail address to the licensing bureau?

[gunguy98]

I mailed my app. in last week for my c & R, but the paperwork never had one of those "are you a U.S. citizen thingys with it.
Does this mean I'm going to wait weeks just to have my application sent back to me or eeven denied?:mad:

[Kharn]

What goes in the "Title" box on the back of the application, its inside section 11? I think I'm supposed to put my full name there, but I'm not sure. I messed up my signature (just put my middle initial instead of my full middle name), so now I have to wait for the ATF to send me some new forms before I can try again. This time, I requested two applications just in case I screw up again. :biggrin:

Kharn

[uncleSaM]

yo i dont know much about c&r licens but i would like to know more so please help


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from uncleSaM

[Rottifan]

The form says to have the CLEO sign it, my question is, Will the ATF take the form without the CLEO signature?

[Jen]

The CLEO does NOT have to sign the form (unless something has changed that I am unaware of and the forms are different than what's listed in the first post of this thread).

#10 is for the CLEO information. You have to fill in their contact name, address etc.. and then you need to send them a copy of the form once you've filled it all out. I highly recommend using certified mail or another trackable/confirmed delivery method. This will save you any trouble should anything come up in the future regarding this.

#11 is for YOU to sign off that the information you have given on the form is correct.

You do not ever have to personally contact your CLEO to get permission to get a CC&R license, you just have to make sure you send them a copy of the form which basically states your intent to get a CC&R license and allows them to notify ATF if they have information about you being anything but a law abiding citizen (ie criminal acts that might not be in the federal / state databases).

[LawTalkingGuy]

Got my license in the mail on Saturday, 10 days after I mailed the application. No problems, and quick turnaround. Now, what guns to buy?

[DINO212]

I decided to renew my C&R after letting it lapse a few years back. Sent it in, just recieved my "certificate of compliance" form. My question is On line 2 person Certifying to citizenship. Who exactly is qualified to certify my citizenship? Hell, I was born here, 10 years in the USMC. Previously held an ffl& C&R. Tried to call several times but they are all "AWAY FROM MY OFFICE," till next neveuary so I cant get an answer. If any of you could help please email me Direct at LP001313@AOL.COM THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Dino

[Mr. Pink]

Originally posted by LawTalkingGuy
Got my license in the mail on Saturday, 10 days after I mailed the application. No problems, and quick turnaround. Now, what guns to buy?

mine took over two months....applied on the 6th of september showed up on the 23rd of november.....they were kind enough to have the expiration month as december though.

[kkendall3rdacr]

just got cc&r in the mail today. The check cleared 3 days after I mailed my forms and 2 weeks later I'm in business. Well I need to go burn some copies so I'll se ya later.

[fry]

is the thirty bucks...per year???

[Jen]

Fry: The license term is I believe 4 years.

So the $30 covers the license for the license period of 4 years.

[Texas Patriot]

I just printed off the forms to mail in today. The form says its $30 for THREE years, or $10/year.

[New2Brass]

Im a little confused
1. the C&R list has handguns on it, if you dont have a pistol permit (required where i live) can you still get a C&R to purchace rifles or long guns?
2. if i am eligeble for C&R and then get my pistol permit, would then said pistols still go on permit? I ask this as after i think 4 pistols the permit needs some form of amendment and is a whole different ball game.

[7idl]

I'm not sure how your state laws will effect your C&R...

did you check out the NLC web page?

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/nlc/index.htm

[gunnut1]

OK, Sorry if I sound ignant...
why get a type 3 FFL..ie what is the difference between the type 3 ffl vs the type 1 ffl (I already know that the type 3 costs $30 bucks versus the type 1 which costs $200 bucks, and that the type 1 allows modern weapons transfers. But is there more scrutiny with a type 1? Can you NOT sell C & R firearms with a type 3?)

Thanks in advance.

I know this is old news probably but here I go.

I have no interest in selling guns to anybody. I am a collector. Why whould I pay $200.00 for a C&R gun when I can get the same gun for $125.00 and shipped to my house and not have to fill out the 4473 and do the NICS? Nuff said?

[gunnut1]

IMPORTANT! See my post here!

ATF C&R form screwup (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=627045#post627045)

[Chuck Buster]

Boy, the government sure can move fast when it wants too. Just sent my C&R application on Friday, 5/23, and the check cleared my bank in ohio on Wednesday, 5/28. If they could only move that fast on income tax refunds :)

[AZ_gun_nut]

Originally posted by FAL_FREAK
Okay I've got a question on this. If I were to be living in an apartment would that make me ineligible for a C&R? I don't see why, but stranger rules exist so I thought I'd ask before filling out dem forms. :D

Your dwelling does not have any influence on getting a C&R license. Remember, you're not a dealer, just a collector. You don't need to have a local permit or anything of that nature.

On a side note, It took forever for me to get my C&R. Apparently my ATF agent was in the process of retiring and didn't bother to return my numerous phone calls or turn my file over to anyone. After finally getting hold of a supervisor who informed me of the retiring agent did I get transfered to a new agent and finish the process. It took over 6 months to get the darn thing.

[AZ_gun_nut]

Originally posted by Chuck Buster
Boy, the government sure can move fast when it wants too. Just sent my C&R application on Friday, 5/23, and the check cleared my bank in ohio on Wednesday, 5/28. If they could only move that fast on income tax refunds :)

All I have to say is "TurboTax" my friend. I had my Federal return in my bank account in a week.

[anganu]

Does someone have to be home to sign for the guns or can the ups man or post office just leave it on your porch, like ammo?

[Da Nerd]

does this form need to be completed and sent as well as the Application and compliance form.????
ATF Form 5300.37 (Certification of Compliance with State and Local Law)"

[AZ_gun_nut]

Originally posted by anganu
Does someone have to be home to sign for the guns or can the ups man or post office just leave it on your porch, like ammo?
All handguns shipped through UPS must have a "signature required" sticker on them, which means it MUST be signed for. Also, any handgun going through UPS goes "next day air", no if ands or buts about it.

[AZ_gun_nut]

Originally posted by New2Brass
Im a little confused
1. the C&R list has handguns on it, if you dont have a pistol permit (required where i live) can you still get a C&R to purchace rifles or long guns?
2. if i am eligeble for C&R and then get my pistol permit, would then said pistols still go on permit? I ask this as after i think 4 pistols the permit needs some form of amendment and is a whole different ball game.

1. Yes you can still get the C&R license, you're still responsible to follow local laws though.

2. Yes, the pistol will need to go on your local pistol permit since you're not a dealer.

When I lived in NY, any pistols I bought with my 01 FFL for personal use had to go on my permit. I just took the packing slip that came with the gun to the Sherrifs office and had them add it to my permit.

[rgb101]

wow lots of info..
So I live in the great state of California.(Don't hold it against me)Stockton the home of the ak and good old Patrick Purdy and cleveland school.my question is what restrictions am I going to encounter if I choose to get a C&R? Seems like most states have it easier.I looked at the list of C& R posted earlier.I am not sure if they are transferable.

[AZ_gun_nut]

I couldn't even begin to tell you about Kalifornia laws. I would assume, (and we all know what assume means) that you'll have to follow the local laws as to what's allow to be shipped into the state, etc. A distributor such as Century Arms will be able to tell you if you can or cannot get a particular firearm shipped there. Of course, the majority of C&R guns should be legal in Kalifornia since they don't have high capacity magazines or those nasty pistol grips that scares everybody to death. Good luck with it!

[AZ_gun_nut]

Originally posted by Da Nerd
does this form need to be completed and sent as well as the Application and compliance form.????
ATF Form 5300.37 (Certification of Compliance with State and Local Law)"

I believe that form is for dealers only. The only form I sent in was my 1 page application. The carbon copy went to the LEO office.

[Blain]

Ididn't know about the Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C 922(g)(5)(B)
and ddn't send it in when I recently applied for my license, will I be ok? Has anyone else fogot to send it in and been ok?

[wales]

Dose any know what go on line 2 of the Certification of compliance form. The line says Name of person Certifying to Citizenship.

[Texas Patriot]

That would be you.

[CA Chaos]

Hello, I'm new the Fal Files..and found it to be very informative. In the past I wanted to pursue the type 03 collectors license but didn't know how to go about it. This site has helped me quite a bit. Now, again inspired I have a question holding me back. My question is....Being a CA. resident....If I recieve the collectors license will I be able to obtain any item on the BATFE list of NFA Firearms considered to be C&R? For instance, the Armalite AR 15 which is banned under CA laws. Any assitance is and will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[Texas Patriot]

You still have to comply with local laws if they are more restrictive than federal laws. So for a Kali resident, you're under more restrictions than say us Texans.

Consult your local laws before you make the decision to apply for C&R or not. But if nothing else, certain vendors give discounts to C&R license holders on items other than weapons. So it could pay off for you that way.

[CA Chaos]

Thanks Texas Patriot

[jim1of6]

I sent my application approx. 3 months ago. I called today and I'm in their system, what ever that means. Must save $$, must save $$, must save $$.

[scottymetz]

i just moved and my checks don't show my new address,will tjis be a problem???-if so,can i use certified funds-any thought??????

[Texas Patriot]

To avoid any possiblity of money causing a delay, I paid my fee with a Postal Money Order. Cost is $0.90.

No problems that way.

[Benny]

I printed out the down loaded forms, but the second one that deals with being a citizen printed out in landscape style instead of letter style.
Is this the right way to be printed?
Also , do they have to be in legal size paper, or can one use letter size paper?

Benny

[Texas Patriot]

Benny,
Landscape format is correct. And just to avoid being rejected on a "technicality", I printed that form on legal instead of letter size paper.

You know how anal the ABC boys can be some time.

[Benny]

Thanks, I will be mailing them in next week.
Benny

[jim1of6]

Well, it's been 4 months and I still haven't talked to a live person to get a status on my C&R application, I know they're busy like everyone else but this is starting to blow! I've left at least 5 messages and no reply as of yet.

[Bigger_Is_Better]

Wow! That was quick!
I signed my check on 12/11 and recieved my C&R on 12/26!!!
I wonder if it was that quick because I went through a security check for a Top Secret Security Clearance this time last year?? Does anyone know if that would make it quicker?

[Shrike]

I dont understand question 2 of the certification of compliance form.... I'm a citizen do i have to certify im a citizen?

[1gewehr]

Shrike,
Silly as it seems, that is EXACTLY what you are doing. :rolleyes:
Go figure.
1gewehr

[Witchhunter]

Applied for my C@R last week ,, the wait is all ready killing me.:(

[travisaasen]

We'll track the progress for March of 2004:

My Forms are going out today.

3-10-2004.

arrived 4/17/2004

[captk]

Sent in my forms this morning. The layout of the forms could be improved. Pretty straight forward to fill out.
Ken

[Nachoman]

I sent mine in Jan 21; still no reply. :(

[cushe]

Hang in there, it took me from Oct./03 to Mar./04.:wink:

[travisaasen]

Ok, my C&R came yesterday 4/18.....yippee...so, a little over a month

[travisaasen]

Ok, my C&R came yesterday 4/18.....yippee...so, a little over a month

[captk]

Sent in my application on 3/17/04. Called ATF yesterday, 6/18/04 to check on my status. I was told that it would be at least another month before I get my license, if I get my license. So much for 6 - 8 weeks. They told me that they had to send my application to the local field office to get approval. In the mean time I have bought through FFL transfers the rifles I wanted to get.

[DYNOMIKE]

I want to thank Jen for this thread. THANX!

It was full of info and I am sure that reading the instructions and printing the forms saved me some headaches.

So today on 8/12/04 all forms were filled out and mailed. 1 set of forms went to ATF&E, one set went certified mail to my local sheriffs' office.


I thought the forms were very easy to fill out but I was surprised that there was no place for a D/L#. I have to give a D/L when I do a transfer, so I thought there would be a place for a D/L on this form as well. Guess federal stuff does require it?


Now I get to wait. I sure hope I don't have to wait 4-5 Months! That will blow.
:wink:

[Witchhunter]

C@R arrived today.:biggrin: :biggrin:

[captk]

C&R arrived today 9/10/2004, applied on March 17, 2004.
Was that 6 weeks or 6 months?........Ken

[Opie]

Can't find the right forms....links are inop. Can someone point me in the right direction? Have the forms changed? I can't find what is listed.

[mpmax]

Opie,
Try the source...BATF.gov. I used the previously downloadable forms here and sent them to Dalles as instructed, turns out they needed to be sent to Atlanta. It'll probably add months (has been already) to the process if at all. Oh ya, they sure cashed the check quick!

[Opie]

What form numbers are the ones that are required? I couldn't find the C&R application form.

[FAL]

ATF took the main application form down. The compliance form is still available for download on their website. For the main application form, go to www.cruffler.com and download the form there. Or you could ask the ATF to mail the forms to you, but it will delay you until the forms arrive.

[Dation]

What age do you need to be to get a C&R(18/21)?

[Spartacus]

Found some more important to us ATF forms:

ATF Form 5300.38 (Change of Address)
http://www.usa-federal-forms.com/usfedforms-fbf/ITAOP-TREAS-ATF-ATF/ATF_5300-PERIODORDOT-38.pdf.zip

and here is a link to ALL ATF forms:
http://www.usa-federal-forms.com/fbf-by-folder/184.html

If anyone knows in Change of Address form #'s 6, 8, 10 are for the old address? It says for "Current", but then #'s 7, 9, 11 ask for New address.

???

Thanks

[Greensborobob]

Yes, you must be 21, see also FAQ's.

[gtcpl2]

Ok, newbie here. Just got my packet yesterday from the BATF for my C&R apps. Filled it out as it seemed pretty straight forward and will mail it today
1-29-05.
I appreciate all the info on this site. Great bunch of people.

[Palerider]

Is the ATF form---

F 7CR (5310.16) - Application for License (Collector of Curios and Relics) Under 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, Firearms----

used for renewal? I do not see any spot on it to write the applicant's old C&R FFL number.
Also, how soon prior to expiration should the renewal application be mailed in?

Thanks,
Pale

Update:
OK, I just read on another site that a separate renewal application form is sent by ATF several weeks before expiration and there is an "Acquisition and Disposition" section on the renewal form. I certainly don't want to give ATF and local government a list of my firearms. Is there really a requirement to do this? and is it law?

[wdigeorge]

Hey Guys,

I just got my C&R renewal form. Do you guys know if the "Renewal Application Questionnaire" needs to be filled out or is it voluntary? As a C&R license holder, in question 7a and 7b, I need to state how many firearms I have logged into my books and how many have been disposed of.

Also, how do I find out who my CLEO is??

[Palerider]

Originally posted by wdigeorge
Hey Guys,

I just got my C&R renewal form. Do you guys know if the "Renewal Application Questionnaire" needs to be filled out or is it voluntary? As a C&R license holder, in question 7a and 7b, I need to state how many firearms I have logged into my books and how many have been disposed of.

Also, how do I find out who my CLEO is??
I at first was under the impression that Type-03 C&R renewals could write "n/a" in blank 7.a. & 7.b., but after reading the application which I too have now received, I see that it clearly states that:
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"If you are a firearms dealer, pawnbroker, manufacturer, importer, or collector of curios or relics"
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to answer the questions.

So yes, you need to fill in the number of acquired and disposed firearms over the last 3 years you've held your license.

Your CLEO is the Chief of Police if you live in a city or municipality
or the Sheriff of your county if you live outside a city or municipality.

Pale

[usaceranger]

I am in the process of filling out my green ATF form for the C&R license and on the bottom it asks for my "position and social security number" what is my position ? i am not going into business here, its just me and i dont plan on buying loads of guns to sell. thanks for you help! Greg

[Palerider]

Provided you checked the "An Individual" box in question# 6 you put ONLY your SS#.

Pale

PS-I'm looking at a 3 year old form I filled out for my original FFL. I assume the questions are the same albeit possibly numbered different.

[Cobra69]

Need help................how and where do I go to tell them I have moved to a new house? What form do I need to fill out?

[Palerider]

Originally posted by Cobra69
Need help................how and where do I go to tell them I have moved to a new house? What form do I need to fill out?
You need to file an application for an amended license, ATF Form 5300.38
http://www.atf.gov/forms/pdfs/f530038.pdf

[Cobra69]

With the amended form do i send in another 31.00? or just the form.

[FN74]

All forms requests are now online - don't call the atlanta office, go here and order them.

http://www.atf.gov/dcof/index.htm

[FN74]

Recieved my forms within 5 days of ordering them.

[OneZero]

Is there a minimum age for this license? I'm guessing 21 but I couldn't find the info anywhere. Thanks!

[GW870]

WOW!!
Sure wish it hadn't taken me so long to happen upon this thread!

THANK YOU JEN!!!

GW

[Chalk_2]

Just got mine in the mail today, took almost three months.

[Gunny71]

I just got my application form(green) in the mail today! I requested both forms on the website, but was only sent one. I did notice however that section 10 is "nonimmigrant alien certification of compliance with 18 U.S.C 922 (g)(5)(b)".

Does that mean that there is only one form now, or did I not get the other? Thanks,
Gunny

[Chalk_2]

Just one form now.

[GW870]

Hey, this was a snap, guys. If you've been putting off doing it. don't.

I snail mailed my check and forms to Atlanta 3/27. Yesterday, 4/20,
that snail brought me my liscense. As easy as that.

Haven't received my info packet though.

GW

[thedrickel]

Just want to report:

Mailed C&R app 3/31/06, received C&R in the mail today, 5/18/06. Pretty good turn-around time, I wasn't really expecting it for another month or so. However, they screwed up my address even tho it is very clearly written on the app in two places. Way to go BATFE :rolleyes:

[spatin]

Originally posted by GW870
Hey, this was a snap, guys. If you've been putting off doing it. don't.

I snail mailed my check and forms to Atlanta 3/27. Yesterday, 4/20,
that snail brought me my liscense. As easy as that.

Haven't received my info packet though.

GW

Did you send a money order or a personal check? I can't tell from the form whether they require a money order. The green form I have does have a place to put a credit card, but I don't know if I want to give them my credit card number, not that they couldn't find it if they wanted it.
Sidney

[spatin]

Originally posted by Faltitude
Not like the good ole days.
Requested forms over phone, received 5 days later. Submitted complete forms on March 15,2001, received C&R March 27,2001.

I just had about the same good service from our buddies at ATF. Sent in my forms on July 10, 2006, I had my license in hand on July 24. That was much faster than I expected.

Sidney

[OREGON FAL'ER]

Sent in forms on oct. 12th and had the license today oct. 25th just 13 days later.

[fastprofessor]

Originally posted by spatin


I just had about the same good service from our buddies at ATF. Sent in my forms on July 10, 2006, I had my license in hand on July 24. That was much faster than I expected.

Sidney

Jeesh. Am I the only one that got lost in some BATF In-Box?:rolleyes: I sent mine in on July 13th, 2006. Received it October 8th, 2006. I probably wouldn't have received it then, except I called and complained and asked them to explain why it was taking so long. I had it within 3 days after that call.

[wildwilly]

Jen is there a copy of boundbook1.xls anywhere around I ruined my copy?

[leam_h]

Any additional suggestions for a beginning gunsmith students? My plan, subject to facts and law, is to get C&R firearms and use them as class projects. If they're successfully done I'd probably need to sell them to fund the next class project. However, I don't expect the income to be anything more than a viscious cycle that let's me build better projects. :)

ciao!

leam

[EvilSwede]

Can I import firearms from a foreign country on a C&R license or does it require a FFL 1?

[splogan]

I ordered my forms, should be at the house when I return. I will let you know how much turn around time I have.

[splogan]

They only sent one of the 2 forms, just reordered the other.:( More waiting

[OREGON FAL'ER]

Originally posted by EvilSwede
Can I import firearms from a foreign country on a C&R license or does it require a FFL 1?
No sir its not an importers license. It (03type) only allows you to buy directly from vendors certain qualifying firearms for the purposes of building a personal collection.

[Viking 42]

I'm in the process of re-applying for my C&R.

I got two forms. One is green and 4 pages. The other is white, and in landscape format (as opposed to portrait).

The white one is "Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B).

Part 1 lists "Name under which the application was filed". Fine, no problem there.

But, part 2 lists "Name of person CERTIFYING to citizenship:" - and here is where I'm confused. I'm a natural born citizen of the USA. Do I put my own info here again? Or what?

On the green form, section 10 "Nonimmigrant Alien Certification of Compliance With 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B)" - do I fill this part out? I'm not a non-immigrant...I'm a natural born citizen.

If so, what do I put for part A "Name of Person Certifying Compliance"? Myself?

Sorry for the questions...these forms are confusing...

[nighthawk756]

I just ordered my paperwork from the ATF website for my C&R. HOPEfully that won't take too long since I want to hurry up and get this process started.

MY list to buy is at least one of each of these:

M1 Garand
Mauser (98k maybe)
Mosin Nagant M44
Enfield
Springfield 1903

Thanks for the info Jen!;)

[cabofdoom]

Originally posted by Viking 42
I'm in the process of re-applying for my C&R.

I got two forms. One is green and 4 pages. The other is white, and in landscape format (as opposed to portrait).

The white one is "Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B).

Part 1 lists "Name under which the application was filed". Fine, no problem there.

But, part 2 lists "Name of person CERTIFYING to citizenship:" - and here is where I'm confused. I'm a natural born citizen of the USA. Do I put my own info here again? Or what?

On the green form, section 10 "Nonimmigrant Alien Certification of Compliance With 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B)" - do I fill this part out? I'm not a non-immigrant...I'm a natural born citizen.

If so, what do I put for part A "Name of Person Certifying Compliance"? Myself?

Sorry for the questions...these forms are confusing...


Just got my packet and was wondering this myself

TIA

COD

[nighthawk756]

Originally posted by Viking 42
I'm in the process of re-applying for my C&R.

I got two forms. One is green and 4 pages. The other is white, and in landscape format (as opposed to portrait).

The white one is "Certification of Compliance with 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B).

Part 1 lists "Name under which the application was filed". Fine, no problem there.

But, part 2 lists "Name of person CERTIFYING to citizenship:" - and here is where I'm confused. I'm a natural born citizen of the USA. Do I put my own info here again? Or what?

On the green form, section 10 "Nonimmigrant Alien Certification of Compliance With 18 U.S.C. 922(g)(5)(B)" - do I fill this part out? I'm not a non-immigrant...I'm a natural born citizen.

If so, what do I put for part A "Name of Person Certifying Compliance"? Myself?

Sorry for the questions...these forms are confusing...

Yes, you put yourself there.

Question #10 is broken up into 3 parts or subsections. A, B and C. You put your name on section A as the one certifying your citizenship. THen you leave B and C blank. This is of course only if your a natural born citizen.

This is how it was explained to me.

[cabofdoom]

Nighthawk, thanks for clearing that up...paperwork outbound

COD

[nighthawk756]

Originally posted by cabofdoom
Nighthawk, thanks for clearing that up...paperwork outbound

COD

No problem!

It took just over a month to get my license in hand. BATFE issued it 29 days after it was sent. But it took a little better than a week to get it after they said it had been issued.

[Celtic warrior]

What is THAT about, can anyone clue me in?

Outside of Michigan Handgun purchase permits, I haven't had a hunting license since 1977.

How do I answer THIS?

Thanks!

Greg O

[Shootability]

My C&R is due for renewal - how do I renew - is there a form?

[indy_Muaddib]

they will send you a form, fill it out, send it back with the renewal payment.

[Shootability]

I called and they are going to fax it, but have not - yet.