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Abominog
April 25, 2012, 20:32
I recently had the opportunity to closely observe a UM marked upper receiver. Upon closer inspection, there was the FN arrow in front of the carry handle cut.

I'd always assumed that UM marked meant made by Littelton, but obviously that is not the case.

enbloc8
April 25, 2012, 22:56
I always thought the U-within-M simply meant "made for South African military". There are pictures of FN-contract rifles with the U-M mark on both upper and lower.

R1shooter
November 23, 2012, 22:37
The U M stands for union military , if arrow then still under British rule, became republic in 1961.

EX1
November 24, 2012, 16:42
Hello I have matching# Belgian b/c groups with the UM marking .EX1

R1shooter
November 24, 2012, 16:46
Post a pic I can I can Id if it is a
SA gun

Abominog
November 26, 2012, 13:25
Post a pic I can I can Id if it is a
SA gun

How would you do that?

R1shooter
November 27, 2012, 00:15
Because I have one and was issued one for many years, I can tell from the type of font if it were one of ours or some other non related um marking.

Abominog
November 27, 2012, 08:34
The specimen in question is in the RSL on Norfolk Island. It was brought back from SA and is clearly a FN-made SA version. IIRC without looking at the photos it's a Type II upper.

Hoot G
December 09, 2012, 03:06
I recently had the opportunity to closely observe a UM marked upper receiver. Upon closer inspection, there was the FN arrow in front of the carry handle cut.

I'd always assumed that UM marked meant made by Littelton, but obviously that is not the case.

'Nog, both the FN contract FAL's and some of the South African made FAL's had the M in U on the receiver.

The M in U was a South African Defense Force marking. Lyttleton Engineering Works, and later ARMSCOR, built weapons for the SADF, for export (don't tell anybody), and for civilian sales. The export and civilian versions wouldn't have the M in U mark. There were many reasons why M in U marked FAL's ended up in other hands, but from the factory, they were only destined for the SADF.

Both FN contracts were for Type 1 receivers, and all the R1's were Type 1.5 (as nearly as all means when discussing FAL's). Never say never, but I haven't seen any photos of M in U marked Type 2 receivers. That would be a very interesting addition to the SA history!

R1shooter
December 10, 2012, 18:40
I have a type 2 FN with um and crest marking, I will see if I can get a photograph of it.

Hoot G
December 10, 2012, 18:59
That would be awesome!

R1shooter
December 10, 2012, 19:13
Many years back I got it from the army, it was un numbered and was told it was a Falo replacement, I legally built it into a rifle in South Africa and kept it more for the coat of arms that graced it's side.

jugrunner
January 29, 2013, 16:20
I'm pretty sure the Rhodie kit I sold angusmac had a Belgian made U/M marked lower ...


ETA: Type II also ...