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Douglas S Graham
April 14, 2012, 08:17
Which mfr. ?

What caliber?

Does it make sense to choose 308, then put it on everything else, like 223 and 22, or does the can lose it's effectiveness??

Please explain your reasoning for each answer.

TIA!!!!!!!!!! Doug.

Skilter
April 26, 2012, 00:41
this is a damn good question for discussion...

I would say this. Get the most expensive can for the most expensive weapon you own that you love the most. Then... buy cheap ass cans for the other stuff you might want to put one on later.

This question is not really legit as after you get one you will get more... but it really depends on what you do most. My favorite is an integrally suppressed 22. But if you live way out in the desert and love the big .50 you might want something diff...

anyway... it is a mixed bag. But here is one thing... I wouldn't mix cans for mult alt calibers as you will be disappointed.

Vorpal_weapon
April 27, 2012, 13:06
Which mfr. ?

My best advice if seriously considering the purchase of a suppressor is to: 1) do a bit of quality research, 2) play-test whatever you’re able to, and finally, 3) buy the best quality you can afford. Consider that you're basically going to be keeping it the rest of your life. Better quality cans generally use exotic alloys like inconel for baffles. Cans made of titanium are lighter but also more expensive.

Short answer: AAC, Surefire, Gemtech, and OPS-Inc produce military grade products that will last a lifetime – they’re easy, no-brainers. My AAC cans are rated for a duty cycle of at least 30K rounds.

What caliber?

That kind of depends on what expectations you have for the suppressor: how you want it to perform, how you want to use it and how you plan to attach it. A 7.62 can will work for smaller calibers (like 6.8SPC) at some expense to sound reduction, but there may be issues in trying to mount it. For instance, most 7.62/.308 barrels are threaded 5/8x24 (some like FAL are 9/16 - metric rifles are LH thread) and most 5.56 barrels are 1/2x28. You might think you could simply use thread adapters, but . . . thats risky territory. Bore alignment is relatively critical to avoid BAD things like baffle strikes, so . . . I'd generally avoid using any adapters not supplied by the manufacturer of the suppressor.

I use a fast attach can for all my 5.56 ARs (AAC Omni) and a thread-on can for the .308 bolt gun (AAC Cyclone which also fits my 6.8). If you wanted to suppress both 7.62/.308 and 5.56, I'd recommend a dedicated can for each. For other reasons, a .22 rimfire needs its own.

Does it make sense to choose 308, then put it on everything else, like 223 and 22, or does the can lose it's effectiveness??

Probably not, as above, a 308 suppressor could be used across other calibers like 223, but .22 rimfire is filthy and is best served by a .22-specific can which can be disassembled for occasional cleaning. On the other hand, suppressors designed for centerfire rifle are best NOT-disassembled. Mounting issues aside, a 308 can would work fine on 223 - just not as quiet.

If you want to suppress a handgun (other than .22), I'd recommend a handgun-oriented can. Some handguns need a Nielsen device to reliably cycle the slide with the weight of a suppressor.

There's a lot of ground to cover here. If you have more questions, LMK.

fnogger
April 27, 2012, 19:45
this is a damn good question for discussion...

I would say this. Get the most expensive can for the most expensive weapon you own that you love the most. Then... buy cheap ass cans for the other stuff you might want to put one on later.

This question is not really legit as after you get one you will get more... but it really depends on what you do most. My favorite is an integrally suppressed 22. But if you live way out in the desert and love the big .50 you might want something diff...

anyway... it is a mixed bag. But here is one thing... I wouldn't mix cans for mult alt calibers as you will be disappointed.

With a $200 tax stamp there is no such thing as a cheap can

Douglas S Graham
April 28, 2012, 17:13
vorpal has some insight............

thanks guys, keep 'em coming if you have more opines.

olgier
April 28, 2012, 18:27
Honestly, if you could only have one, mine would be a .22 from one of the reputable companies.

I would want it to be as quiet as possible, and the quietest setup out there is for .22. If it can't be handled with a suppressed .22, then you need to stop being worried about a few extra decibles. IMO.

1gewehr
April 28, 2012, 19:41
Before I got my .22 suppressor, I used to use my 5.56mm suppressor on my Ruger 10/22. A bit long and heavy, but it was very quiet. Same thread, so no adapters were needed.

Artful
May 14, 2012, 05:27
:biggrin:
Welcome to the wonderful world of cans. Yep, as in plural/multiple.
One can can't do it all - but you can get away with a few can's and have most of the rewards. First reduction of sound is not like hollyweird - no Pft sounds.
You're getting some good advice - buy the best you can afford, but you have to make some decisions about what features are important to you most.
Is sound reduction the most important choice or price or size or features....

Best reduction is on 22LR with subsonic ammo - loudest noise may be equated to dryfiring the weapon. Can's usually threaded on with 1/2x28 threads. I'd suggest best bang/shush for the buck is to start with 22LR.
- look at Liberty and Silencerco in addition to brands listed above.
- features to look for clean ability
- Multi caliber adaptability - use on 17 RF mag to 22 Hornet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RPz_Jjv7-A
- quality construction like Stainless Steel

Now if you need say a 9mm pistol can and want to shoot 22LR thru it you can get some 9mm cans that will be cleanable and work for both and even 300 Whisper subsonic loadings. But you will give up some sound reduction that way - but as a first can it might let you try on many weapons you own.
I use my 9mm can's on 22LR, 7.62x38R nagant pistol, 300 whisper with subsonic, 9x19 all with satisfactory results. For pistols like M9 or P38 you may not need the neilson/recoil booster/inertial decoupler device if you have a light weight can but you will for guns like 1911, Sig Sauer, Hipower and other tilt barrel recoil operated weapons.

I have a TAC-16 223 can which is cleanable and have used on 22LR and 223 but it's large and heavy for 22LR which the 9mm can isn't. Works but is ridiculous looking and awkward.

I use my AAC Cyclone on 223 rifles and it's large and heavy for a 223 can.
You could find a light weight 308 can and use on both 308 and 223.

So you might get away with just two cans
308 lightweight rifle can for use on 308, 223, supersonic and subsonic 300 whisper and intermediate rounds like 243, 22-250, 260, 270, 7.62x39, 7.62x54 etc
You may want thread on can or quick Detachable - need a special flash hider for each weapon then.

9mm cleanable can for use with 22LR, 7.62x38R, 380, 9x19, 38 spcl and intermediate rounds like 300 whisper subsonic, 32 acp etc.
Most 9mm and smaller calibers use 1/2x28 threading so keep this in mind.

Now this will get you into the most quiet calibers - if you want to suppress 40 S&W or 45 ACP you are going to need another can. I say this as reduction of 22LR with a 45 can isn't that good in my experience but some say the Osprey from Silencerco does pretty well but you can't take it apart to clean yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGSg8tdzNj8

You have to be aware of cleaning your can due to things like corrosive ammo in combloc calibers and how much crud is left behind by some ammo like 22LR.

visit some forums like
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/
http://www.silencerforum.com/forum/forum.php
http://www.silencerresearch.com/free_silencer_reviews.htm
http://nfatalk.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Now remember most of these forums are run by someone in the industry so they may show a decided bias either for someone's products or away from someone's products.:devil:

Gun design choices / barrel length and theading / subsonic ammo choices all will take on new meaning, if you reload you will have different view of case volume and bullet weights and barrel twists for increased stability at subsonic speeds. There is much to research. For instance for 22 LR did you know if the barrel is less than 5 inches you may use cheap bulk 22 LR with your suppressor as it won't have enough barrel to get up to supersonic speeds but if you use a longer barrel you'll need to buy the more expensive subsonic ammo. And that heavy bullet weight 9mm ammo (145-158 grn) will be subsonic unless you have a longer barreled carbine generally. Reliable cycling of semi-auto's with subsonic ammo can require spring changes in some guns to help dial in the correct balance between the now heavier barrel (suppressor attached) and the different recoil impulse from the subsonic ammo. (this is where the Nielson device comes into play) but you will have to tell us what weapons you want to suppress.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/Misc/0612112302.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/rowdyfisk/Misc/P1050440.jpg
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Douglas S Graham
May 20, 2012, 06:47
THanks for the replies guys. I was thinking a .308 can for the FAL that I could also use on my AR's (.223 and 6.8 spc). Sounds like the .22's are way cool too. Choices , choices. :cry:

partisan50
May 20, 2012, 13:31
With a $200 tax stamp there is no such thing as a cheap can

Unfortunately there are cheap cans out there and after the guys buy them, pay the $200 tax, wait unpteen months for the transfer and they end up very disappointed in its performance.

Those are the guys that post on the net that cans are a waste of money because they bought one and its not quiet like their buddy's cans.

Warbirds Custom Guns
May 20, 2012, 21:00
Which mfr. ?


On the other hand, suppressors designed for centerfire rifle are best NOT-disassembled.

Totally false info. right there.
The Shark 308 can is a take apart suppressor & it works with no issues.
There's more user maintenance involved, nothing more.

We test fired our 308 suppressor against the Cyclone, Shark & Omega 30 & it did as well as the more expensive cans.

This is my Custom 308 bolt action with our 308 suppressor & it can be taken apart for cleaning.
It was a bit quieter on the 7.62x39
The only POI shift we got when fired on 5 different rifle was 1" down.
No windage (left-right) shift at all.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1087/w70i.jpg[/URL

Dasho101
May 21, 2012, 00:08
any one know of a user servicable can that can work with a qd flash supressor

Artful
May 22, 2012, 00:35
any one know of a user servicable can that can work with a qd flash supressor

for what caliber?

Dasho101
May 22, 2012, 13:57
.223/5.56

Artful
May 23, 2012, 04:33
Huntertown Arms makes a 7.62 user serviceable with QD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=texEzvXnmdk
http://www.huntertownarms.com/k762ak.php

shark makes user serviceable 7.62 can with thread mount
http://www.sharksuppressors.com/Catalog.aspx

as does HTG
http://www.htgsilencers.com/products/suppressors/rifle_suppressors/

and Tactical Innovations
http://www.tacticalinc.com/tac16-ar15-m16br-223-556mm-suppressor-p-44.html

Dasho101
May 24, 2012, 14:40
where is the QD on the first one... see thread patterns and all that but cant click upgrades

Artful
May 24, 2012, 23:25
where is the QD on the first one... see thread patterns and all that but cant click upgrades

Call them - not on the web site but notice it is mentioned in the video

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Dasho101
May 26, 2012, 12:27
werd... should read more... soon is ai get my bbl set up ill vive them a call and start my paper work

2barearms
June 17, 2012, 08:59
Taking a large Centerfire can apart for regular cleaning is probably NOT
a good idea. I have posited the question to some very reputable folks
and the general consensus is that Centerfire Rifle cans gerenally blow
out most of the crap. 22lr on the other hand get really dirty.

I use an SWR Trident 9 on a 9mm AR and a SW M&P 9 but use 147 in the
Pistol and 158 in the AR and both are dead quiet. I have an SCRC MK23
Can by Tim Bixler on my M14 NM Armscorp build and shooting Fed GMM
at 2800fps it makes no noise, a 22 short is louder. The can is heavy but
VERY effective.

My guess is that cleaning could become a problem using non specific rounds
in a can designed for a different caliber? Anyone know?

DYNOMIKE
June 17, 2012, 09:45
Having a good quality .22 can is important. the brands we sell are as little as $200.00 and as much as $600.00. The cheaper ones do come apart for cleaning but because of the design there is a potential for damage to the can.
The best one we sell is the Silencer Co SPARROW as slides out of the tube and the baffles are in between two external halves.. This is a very well constructed can and is rated up to the 5.7.

For a .45 Pistol can I really like the OSPREY and AAC TI-RANT.

For my .30 cal rifles I'm buying the SUREFIRE FA762MG. It's an extremely well built can and on the LaRue Tac OBR for example showed very consistent (minimal) POI shift.. It's also Full Auto Rated and as such should have an exceptional service life. I see no reason for a user serviceable can most centerfire applications.

The AAC cans are also very good and there are several types and sizes available.

Ben I do think the cleaning aspect is important and why the smaller cans (rim fire specifically) are user serviceable. The ammo is quite dirty and the can looses it's effectiveness as it becomes loaded up with crap..

I'm still learning a lot about these and we are selling more the I expected we would. With that I' don't think one can cover the bases with less then three.. The AAC is very adaptable though as the pistons can be swapped and a number of mounting types are available,

L Haney
June 17, 2012, 09:52
I'm learning a lot from this thread, thanks to all of you that have put up some quite specific information. I'm actively looking into what's available for one of my rifels, that oddball .458 SOCOM. I think it just begs for a can.

I have shot a few suppressed handguns, the most remarkable being an integral unit on a High Standard auto. I really was unprepared for just how quiet that thing was.

Lowell

Artful
June 17, 2012, 11:06
Taking a large Centerfire can apart for regular cleaning is probably NOT a good idea. I have posited the question to some very reputable folks and the general consensus is that Centerfire Rifle cans gerenally blow out most of the crap. 22lr on the other hand get really dirty.

Depends upon what you shoot thru your can doesn't it - If you load cast boolits the lube and lead build up in you centerfire rifle can and cause problems. If you don't have a way of mechanically cleaning it you have to use soaking methods to clean and the removal of lead by soaking creates lead acetate a hazardous material.

I use an SWR Trident 9 on a 9mm AR and a SW M&P 9 but use 147 in the
Pistol and 158 in the AR and both are dead quiet. I have an SCRC MK23
Can by Tim Bixler on my M14 NM Armscorp build and shooting Fed GMM
at 2800fps it makes no noise, a 22 short is louder. The can is heavy but
VERY effective.

Wow, NO NOISE from a 308 shooting 2800 fps? Can you post a video?

My guess is that cleaning could become a problem using non specific rounds
in a can designed for a different caliber? Anyone know?

I think you will find the thinking of newer makers of silencers, differs from old standard makers like Bixler, Dater, White etc.

Artful
June 17, 2012, 11:32
I'm learning a lot from this thread, thanks to all of you that have put up some quite specific information. I'm actively looking into what's available for one of my rifels, that oddball .458 SOCOM. I think it just begs for a can.

I have shot a few suppressed handguns, the most remarkable being an integral unit on a High Standard auto. I really was unprepared for just how quiet that thing was.

Lowell

http://www.htgsilencers.com/Products/Suppressors/Handgun_Suppressors/?ProductID=2557

SRT and SSK have made 458 SOCOM can's

or make your own on a Form 1 if you have access to lath
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=80184&hilit=socom
http://www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=80184&p=744095&hilit=socom#p744095

andresere
July 06, 2012, 14:12
Buddy of mine just got the MD-22 on a Walther .22. Suhweet. Made right here in Oregon.

http://www.trosusa.com/

DrDover
July 07, 2012, 20:55
What do you guys think about the YHM QD SS 7.62 silencer ? I am looking hard at this one as it seems to be the easy answer with the QD mounts and not having the moving parts mounted on the silencer.

Deltaten
July 08, 2012, 15:13
One???

I s'pose a can suited best to all calibers is out of the question?? IS it possible to use a .30 cal can on a .22? Howzabout something that would service a .355-8 cal? Waddabout .458 cal can?
I believe I'd opt for a rifle can that would do the widest possible (.458) and adapt everything else to that one.

Worst case is the .22 LR will pass *some* gas; but really how much less quiet would it be? A rifle length can in .458 would capture and cool *most* (?) of the .22's gasses, wouldn;t it??

partisan50
August 31, 2012, 09:00
One???

I s'pose a can suited best to all calibers is out of the question?? IS it possible to use a .30 cal can on a .22? Howzabout something that would service a .355-8 cal? Waddabout .458 cal can?

You could get away with a 30 cal can with an adapter and shoot 22 lr through it, but you would stand a chance of leading it up. So a 30 cal can could work for 22lr up to 30 cal and that would cover quite a few firearms.

A can for a 458 would need to be custom made unless you want to buy a 50 BMG can and adapt it down for 458, and that would cover the 358 round too. It might work with smaller rounds, but it would be too heavy for the caliber that you wan to cover.

Unless you want a ten pound can with a dozen adapters, there is no such thing as only one can.

jaykden
August 31, 2012, 15:40
What do you guys think about the YHM QD SS 7.62 silencer ? I am looking hard at this one as it seems to be the easy answer with the QD mounts and not having the moving parts mounted on the silencer.

i have this one and i love it. it gets swapped between 5 rifles (2 .308s, 2 5.56s, 1 .300BLK) its heavy but its also MG rated, and i have a MG.

L Haney
August 31, 2012, 16:47
or make your own on a Form 1 if you have access to lath



You mean like this?

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo63/lch1428/Leblond%20Reassembly/Cutting.jpg

Artful
August 31, 2012, 22:23
old school works fine if you have the skills :shades:

ACPaulTac1022
September 16, 2012, 16:44
With a $200 tax stamp there is no such thing as a cheap can

Agreed. No such animal exists.

Firestarter
September 27, 2012, 19:50
I just got back from the Gunner Pool event today. Brought my 18 yr old son and an AWC Badlander.

He was impressed. More so when I poured water out of my bottle into the muzzle of it. :biggrin:

Artful
October 03, 2012, 22:14
22 LR's are the bees knee's when it comes to quiet :devil: