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paco
January 16, 2012, 14:13
Hi there,
I collect firearms in Belgium.
I'm about to order a M2 50cal.
There are a few models for sale. One of those M2 is a Colt early type with sleeves in the cooler. How many .50 are made by Colt, is it a real collectors item or just one of the many .50 ever made.
Are there different models made by Colt?

Thanks
Paco
some of my collection so far...
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/joeplf/kamer/20100404_room_0123.jpg

palmettomoon
January 16, 2012, 15:25
When I grow up I wanna be just like you.:smile:

xtremerange
January 16, 2012, 16:36
Some RKI answer him so that we all may learn.:bow:

SWOHFAL
January 17, 2012, 00:13
Full auto? Any of the rest of the collection?

Andy the Aussie
January 17, 2012, 01:11
Full auto? Any of the rest of the collection?....yep...Paco is in Europe.

paco
January 17, 2012, 01:41
Hi,
I"m a bit in a hurry, i have to order it this evening. I have to decide to buy one or two. Problem: the Colt is more expensive. There is also an other M240 for sale but have to take choises...

And yes, all full auto...

Paco

SWOHFAL
January 17, 2012, 23:47
....yep...Paco is in Europe.

So, if they let you have any at all over there, you can have them un-neutered.

paco
January 18, 2012, 04:10
you can have everything in working condition with a collectors lisence,
no problem

enbloc8
January 18, 2012, 12:52
Do I understand the gun in question is a water-cooled Colt .50? I think that would be an M1921 instead of its successor the M2...I reckon that would be pretty rare compared to a conventional M2HB, since most of the M1921s either didn't survive the war or the immediate postwar years.

paco
January 18, 2012, 14:00
Do I understand the gun in question is a water-cooled Colt .50? I think that would be an M1921 instead of its successor the M2...I reckon that would be pretty rare compared to a conventional M2HB, since most of the M1921s either didn't survive the war or the immediate postwar years.

They told me that it is an aircooled .50
It seems to have sleeves instead of holes in the barrelcover.
No Pics yet. the other .50's are US inspected like Sparkplug division GM ...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/joeplf/BMG50%20cal/201.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/joeplf/BMG50%20cal/209.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/joeplf/BMG50%20cal/207.jpg

enbloc8
January 18, 2012, 18:17
They told me that it is an aircooled .50
It seems to have sleeves instead of holes in the barrelcover.


Sure wish I could remember where my book on Browning MGs is...I know some early ones had oblong slots in the barrel cover instead of holes.

Those AC Spark Plug examples would be choice ones too! :bow:

zimm5
January 18, 2012, 22:09
I think i want to move to belgium !http://www.falfiles.com/forums/smilies/love_small.gif

gunplumber
January 19, 2012, 10:49
The Colt M2 Aircraft had a full length shroud and muzzle booster like the 1919. The shroud had horizontal vents. Is that what you're referring to?

paco
January 19, 2012, 12:45
The Colt M2 Aircraft had a full length shroud and muzzle booster like the 1919. The shroud had horizontal vents. Is that what you're referring to?

I"ll ask pics

gska3873
January 19, 2012, 15:46
Early made Colt M2HB's had a slotted barrel support. I would believe this would be more desirable due to its rarity especially if it is all Colt.

SWOHFAL
January 19, 2012, 21:13
They told me that it is an aircooled .50
It seems to have sleeves instead of holes in the barrelcover.
No Pics yet. the other .50's are US inspected like Sparkplug division GM ...

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/joeplf/BMG50%20cal/201.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/joeplf/BMG50%20cal/209.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a254/joeplf/BMG50%20cal/207.jpg


Hopefully, unlike other things made by GM in Flint, it won't fall apart or blow up. :p

Story
January 20, 2012, 12:48
I can buy Colt .50M2HB, is it rare

Paco, I went through this drill a few years back when I did my first inventory - 25 .50 cals in my arms vault, two of them where Colt made (36,xxx and 45,xxx serials, IIRC). That made them pre-war, with the original collars (which is what it sounds like you have).
Most of the .50 cals were rebuilt after WWII - the collars were updated for the new ones, that'll mount the blank adaptors, and I believe the update bolts are different.

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FYI, I tried to get those two guns taken offline and exchanged, so they could go to a museum as-is. Fcuktards at our Depot level had no appreciation for history. Yes, they got 'updated'.

paco
January 20, 2012, 15:10
I just heard that the .50 that is assigned to me is a Kelsey-Hayes production.
I could buy the Colt at an aditional cost.

So far, i'll stay to plan A and buy "a .50 M2HB".
The dealer had 100 pieces in. He demilled 70 and kept 30 for lisenced collectors.
Out of the 30, my buddy took 3 pieces aside.

Just a question, what is the most expencive or rare .50M2HB? and why?
any good sites with correct info on the subject?
Thanks
Paco

Story
January 22, 2012, 12:37
I just heard that the .50 that is assigned to me is a Kelsey-Hayes production.
I could buy the Colt at an aditional cost.

So far, i'll stay to plan A and buy "a .50 M2HB".
The dealer had 100 pieces in. He demilled 70 and kept 30 for lisenced collectors.
Out of the 30, my buddy took 3 pieces aside.

Just a question, what is the most expencive or rare .50M2HB? and why?
any good sites with correct info on the subject?
Thanks
Paco

1. "In October of 1940, the British Government contracted with the Kelsey Hayes Wheel Company for the manufacture of 12,000 .50 caliber Aircraft Brownings with spare parts": Frank Iannamico, "HARD RAIN-History of the Browning Machine Guns". The Kelsey Hayes Wheel Company was located in Plymouth, Michigan and unfortunately no serial numbers were listed. Since all original production was in A/C configuration and production stopped in 1945, any Kelsey Hayes in HB config were likely post-WWII rebuilds.

2. As I implied in the post above, an unmodified Colt Hartford pre-WWII is rare. The majority of pre-WWII Colts that survived WWII where updated.
If you want a collectible .50, passing on that Colt is a mistake.

3. http://www.m2hb.net/m2phpBB3/index.php

and
http://www.machinegunboards.com/forums/index.php?showforum=4

Abominog
January 24, 2012, 17:45
Colt probably made the highest quantity, but you usually can't go wrong by buying something that says "Colt"