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WWM
January 14, 2012, 23:08
Anybody buy or get to play with one yet? I've always like the look of the originals. One of our distributers has them on sale for a very reasonable price and my resistance is wearing thin, please somebody tell me they're junk.:biggrin:

WWM
January 23, 2012, 21:50
Nobody, I really want to hit the send it button, but I'm hesitant with no input. The web offers nothing but "professional" most likely biased reviews. I would appreciate any real, hands on information from my fellow filers.

Merkava
January 26, 2012, 19:11
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/DSC00350.jpg

I got mine last weekend. Have not shot it yet, but I really like it so far. Sold a first gen 556 to get this. Never had a problem with the 556, it just wasn't close to this. Hope to shoot it this weekend. BTW, there was a coupon in the case for 20% off of Sig products. I picked up several more magazines for $33 each.

WWM
January 26, 2012, 21:22
http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/DSC00350.jpg

I got mine last weekend. Have not shot it yet, but I really like it so far. Sold a first gen 556 to get this. Never had a problem with the 556, it just wasn't close to this. Hope to shoot it this weekend. BTW, there was a coupon in the case for 20% off of Sig products. I picked up several more magazines for $33 each.

Man that thing looks sweet, let me know how she shoots. Any idea if the original Swiss bayonet will fit these, just picked one up in a lot with some others? I wonder what other parts are compatible with the original SG's?

Merkava
January 26, 2012, 21:47
Mine has original Swiss handguards and a NATO bayonet lug. Have the Swiss bayonet lug, but the NATO lug gives me wider choice of bayonet options. You can get the lugs from Colorado Gun Sales or RTG International for around $25.

GM4spd
January 27, 2012, 07:33
Why use a rcvr that only takes Swiss mags?----there are about a
billion,cheap,working, M16/AR mags out there. I just
sent my 1st generation back to SIG for a retrofit ie.
putting a new US lower that will have the Swiss folding
stock attached to it---SWISS stock US mags--ONLY
way to go. Pete


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WWM
January 27, 2012, 07:47
I'm kinda after the novelty of it myself. I've already got quite a few that take AR mags, but non that take Swiss SG mags. I think that's what Sig was going for as well, novelty sells. To me it would be like building a Yenko clone with a 350 in, cheap and plentiful, but not the same effect as 427.

GM4spd
January 27, 2012, 08:24
I'm kinda after the novelty of it myself. I've already got quite a few that take AR mags, but non that take Swiss SG mags. I think that's what Sig was going for as well, novelty sells. To me it would be like building a Yenko clone with a 350 in, cheap and plentiful, but not the same effect as 427.

Novelty is fine and our weapons being our hobby need no real justification
for what we want. I guess it comes down to how much we can spend
on the hobby:eek: The Swiss mags are rather pricey from what I read
and they have the AK type mag release/lockup,which I feel is another
drawback (just my opinion,) Pete

WWM
January 27, 2012, 09:51
Novelty is fine and our weapons being our hobby need no real justification
for what we want. I guess it comes down to how much we can spend
on the hobby:eek: The Swiss mags are rather pricey from what I read
and they have the AK type mag release/lockup,which I feel is another
drawback (just my opinion,) Pete

If I were looking for a SHTF gun this would not be my choice and I see your point about the mags. I'm thinking about this more as a range gun/conversation piece. The cost of mags doesn't scare me a bit, couldn't be any worse than Beretta AR70, BM59 or Armalite AR180 mags if not cheaper, besides the fact I only "need" a few spares.

Merkava
January 27, 2012, 20:10
I bought my rifle simply because I wanted it. Mags pricey? I only need about five or six. I am not one the cheap asses that spend $1500+ on a rifle and $1000 more on optics and then bitch because the magazines cost more than $10. If this rifle proves accurate and reliable, it will be fine for any SHTF scenario that encompasses reality (not talking about a screaming Banzai charge of Muslim zombie ghetto terrorists whatevers that seem to fill many game players fantasies). Also the AK mag release is just fine for real life applications.

WWM
January 27, 2012, 20:58
I bought my rifle simply because I wanted it. Mags pricey? I only need about five or six. I am not one the cheap asses that spend $1500+ on a rifle and $1000 more on optics and then bitch because the magazines cost more than $10. If this rifle proves accurate and reliable, it will be fine for any SHTF scenario that encompasses reality (not talking about a screaming Banzai charge of Muslim zombie ghetto terrorists whatevers that seem to fill many game players fantasies). Also the AK mag release is just fine for real life applications.

I didn't mean to imply this gun shouldn't or coudn't be a go to gun for a SHTF scenario. I meant that it didn't make sense for me as I already have several AR's set up with over 20 extra mags and enough spares to keep them running for quite a while in my bug out gear. If I switch guns now I'm looking at several hundred dollars per gun to essentially start over. Hope this makes my opinion a little clearer than mud and as you said I plan on buying one simply because I want it. The cool factor is hard to beat.:D

Merkava
January 27, 2012, 21:11
I understand. I have 10+ AR's and 20+ AK's with well over 200 mags between them. I shoot and collect for pleasure now. Just enjoy your rifle.:D

ohiomgman
January 28, 2012, 00:16
Here is my 550.

I have several hundred M16 mags. Many new in US Government wrappers... still... I went for the classic and the Swiss mags because I have never been a fan of the cheap and problematic M-16 magazine. I have over 44 years experience using the weapons system ...and have used them in combat... so please do not tell me I do not know what I am talking about.

I equiped mine with an ACOG, TA31F, 4x32. The trigger pulling grunts like them. That is good enough for me.

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm171/jdmechanic/My%20personal%20toys/IM004208.jpg

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm171/jdmechanic/My%20personal%20toys/IM004212.jpg

The deadly Bible Verse John 8:12 "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life."

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Merkava
January 28, 2012, 09:57
Ohiomgman, where did you get that sling? Is it Swiss? RTG has a sling like that for sale, but not sure of it's origin. Like the ACOG, but I put an Aimpoint on mine. Seemed more fitting...:wink:

homelandprotector
January 28, 2012, 11:28
Walmart sells those here in Reno..... :uhoh:

ohiomgman
January 28, 2012, 13:27
Ohiomgman, where did you get that sling? Is it Swiss? RTG has a sling like that for sale, but not sure of it's origin. Like the ACOG, but I put an Aimpoint on mine. Seemed more fitting...:wink:

It's an H&K 2 point sling I purchased from RTG.

I put an Aimpoint on my MP5 in 9mm.

Merkava
January 28, 2012, 14:10
Thanks. It made not be Swiss but looks damn good on that rifle.

K.O.A.M.
January 28, 2012, 19:19
I have a real 552 (semi auto) and a 551 clone built on a 556 by Turner fabrications. The lower receiver on the 551-A1 that Sig is marketing here is not identical to the real 550 series lower. I enjoy shooting both of mine-I think they're the highest evolution of the AK series-but they're not my front line. I would not feel ill served with either, but I have much more time on the manual of arms with the AR series.

EBRfan
January 29, 2012, 00:32
I'd love to hear more range reports on the 551-A1 also. I'm itching to get one.

GM4spd
January 30, 2012, 08:28
Here is my 550.

I have several hundred M16 mags. Many new in US Government wrappers... still... I went for the classic and the Swiss mags because I have never been a fan of the cheap and problematic M-16 magazine. I have over 44 years experience using the weapons system ...and have used them in combat... so please do not tell me I do not know what I am talking about. [/IMG]

You may know what you are talking about but where is some fact about
the "cheap and problematic M16 magazine"? I have been using them since
the early 70s but have no combat experience.Just curious how you can
come off with such a blanket indictment.If your statement is true,it is very
hard to understand our military using this system(including mags) for about
50 years.Personally,I don't care for the DI system,hence the few rifles I
own are piston jobs. One of the piston jobs uses M16 mags and has been
totally reliable. Pete

paolo.orange
January 30, 2012, 10:00
I'm a very very happy owner of a Swiss Made SIG 551-2 SP
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/8346/sig551.jpg
As an aerospace engineer let me say that the mechanic quality from muzzle brake to butt plate is superior to all the carbines/rifles I have of the same class. The little SIG shines in:
- feeding, extraction and ejection is first class (AK design), spent case is ejected 6/8 meters away.
- iron sight are very good providing you spend some time behind them and get used to that configuration. At the end of the day you won't need a red dot. Night inserts are standard. The sight radius is longer then the average so you can shoot "long range" with great confidence
- mag catch system is superb and you can't do wrong
- very very clean action
- great trigger out of the box. May be with a too long overtravel
- foldable stock without any play
- translucent magazines are the best in the market (they cost a fortune!)
- very easy to field strip.

As a benchmark the M4 is still superior in:
- weight
- it is a more flexible platform
- mags cost nothing
- better ergonomics in term of safety handling and mag release (at least for my hands)
- rear sight doesn't need any tool to be operated.

Just my 2 Euro cents. Hope it helps.

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/9522/siggino.jpg

starbuck
January 30, 2012, 17:35
What would it take to configure one like this?

http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k371/starbuckroad/sig550.jpg

JB Books
January 30, 2012, 20:31
I replaced my 556 lower with a SWISS 550/551 lower because I didn't want another rifle that used AR mags. I have four ARs and the they are fine, but wanted something different. That is why I also have a STG556. If everything was the same the world would be boring..

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ohiomgman
January 30, 2012, 23:51
You may know what you are talking about but where is some fact about
the "cheap and problematic M16 magazine"? I have been using them since
the early 70s but have no combat experience.Just curious how you can
come off with such a blanket indictment.If your statement is true,it is very
hard to understand our military using this system(including mags) for about
50 years.Personally,I don't care for the DI system,hence the few rifles I
own are piston jobs. One of the piston jobs uses M16 mags and has been
totally reliable. Pete

In reply: If the Stoner gas system is so great why would you use the gas piston uppers. Also if the gas piston uppers were so great why does not our own military use them? Where are your facts? :bow:

JohnnyReb
January 31, 2012, 07:49
All of my M16 mags have been 100%.......











In my SCAR16. :biggrin:

d_s
January 31, 2012, 23:05
What would it take to configure one like this?

http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k371/starbuckroad/sig550.jpg

This is what it takes to replicate a 556 as close to original: http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=312315

FALonious
February 01, 2012, 05:55
D_S
Is that something that you would consider doing for others for a price?
Man you do nice work. If this question was covered in the original thread I apologize, I didn't have time to read though it yet.

GM4spd
February 02, 2012, 06:07
In reply: If the Stoner gas system is so great why would you use the gas piston uppers. Also if the gas piston uppers were so great why does not our own military use them? Where are your facts? :bow:


Nice deflection---I was asking specifically about M16 mag problems (your words) in your initial post and there
appears to be nothing to back up your original statement.
Pete

d_s
February 02, 2012, 13:15
D_S
Is that something that you would consider doing for others for a price?
Man you do nice work. If this question was covered in the original thread I apologize, I didn't have time to read though it yet.

I'd do the sight welding and gun refinishing for a little over cost, the rest of it was just finding the right parts and putting it all together, aligning and welding the original sights on, etc. (Co gun sales did the barrel fitting, gas port drilling,etc for $300). The duracoating took some experimentation to get the original sig grey correct. Quite frankly with the new sig 556/551 that came out, you could do this on the cheap by just buying the new version of the gun, foregoing the original swiss lower, changing the sights back to the original configuration, repainting, and bam, youd have something dam close to the original without the $10K price tag. PM me if you want more details and I could guide you through how I did these.

Tim Dreas
February 02, 2012, 20:02
I had a Sig 550 I bought before the ban and it cost me $2000 new back then. It was the heaviest 5.56 rifle I've had. I was concerned about the availability of replacement parts and sold it well used for a 50 percent profit. I think the pre-ban Sig 551 rifles had the barrel longer than military 551's behind the flash hider with a standard length flash hider. From the pics here it looks like the post ban ones have the rifled part of the barrel at standard military length with a longer flash hider.

FALonious
February 03, 2012, 12:06
I'd do the sight welding and gun refinishing for a little over cost, the rest of it was just finding the right parts and putting it all together, aligning and welding the original sights on, etc. (Co gun sales did the barrel fitting, gas port drilling,etc for $300). The duracoating took some experimentation to get the original sig grey correct. Quite frankly with the new sig 556/551 that came out, you could do this on the cheap by just buying the new version of the gun, foregoing the original swiss lower, changing the sights back to the original configuration, repainting, and bam, youd have something dam close to the original without the $10K price tag. PM me if you want more details and I could guide you through how I did these.


Thank You Sir, you did a very nice job on those two. I may do just that if I decide to go that way.

Insider
March 03, 2012, 05:32
Anybody buy or get to play with one yet? I've always like the look of the originals. One of our distributers has them on sale for a very reasonable price and my resistance is wearing thin, please somebody tell me they're junk.:biggrin:

They are junk, you buy now!!!

Merkava
March 03, 2012, 09:25
Got to the range to shoot mine for the first time. It was great. Only had time to shoot about 100 rounds of Federal 62gr and Tula 55gr. No problems, very light recoil.

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/DSC00361.jpg

Here is it's travel case with accessories.

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/DSC0037012.jpg

With it's shooting buddies (all being shot for the first time). I only had a limited time and most was spent playing with the ACR ( I am really enjoying this one!).

Parakitteh
March 07, 2012, 12:52
Got to the range to shoot mine for the first time. It was great. Only had time to shoot about 100 rounds of Federal 62gr and Tula 55gr. No problems, very light recoil.

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/DSC00361.jpg

Here is it's travel case with accessories.

http://i726.photobucket.com/albums/ww261/CircRN/DSC0037012.jpg

With it's shooting buddies (all being shot for the first time). I only had a limited time and most was spent playing with the ACR ( I am really enjoying this one!).
How much did those three rifles set you back?

Merkava
March 07, 2012, 14:11
The Sig was $1289 from the local gunshow. The ACR I got in a trade for a STG556 first gen at local gun shop. The AR is mostly Spike's parts from AIM Surplus, and stuff from the parts box, so estimate about $900 (Upper is 14.5 midlength).