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fubar
January 10, 2011, 10:45
Got mine from Czechpoint a couple years ago. Hate to admit it's been in the back of the safe since then and remains unfired.

I plan to remedy that soon. :D

So...who else has one of these? Can't believe how small and light the Czechs made them...

nightschneider
January 10, 2011, 12:55
I have one; it's my favorite assault rifle...hate to say it, but it put my FAL's out of business...just pleasant to shoot, and a helluva lot cheaper to feed.

I know AK's are tough and reliable, but the VZ feels alot more solid, and inspires more faith....something about a machined steel receiver gets me every time.

DYNOMIKE
January 10, 2011, 14:06
VERY cool rifles, I like mine a lot..
Just requested an Old thread of mine be moved over here, maybe it will be useful to those interested in these builds..

Of course right now I doubt I would do a build but buy a complete rifle instead.
There are excellent prices on these from a couple diff sources..

FUUN063
January 10, 2011, 17:38
I started a thread somewhere around here, I think it's in the AK section. I have everything finished except that the trigger/sear interface is a little screwy and will not reset properly. US parts. I just have not had enough time to monkey with the thing lately. I will hopefully get it finished in a week or two when all the robberies and shootings cease for a little while and I can get some time off. Until then, I really like the vz58 idea and I have built them before. I don't think they are any harder than a standard AK. Maybe they are a little easier because of the milled receiver. The only rivets are on the trigger guard and these can be upset with simple tools if one does not have riveting experience or specialty tools.

Leland :shades:

indy_Muaddib
January 11, 2011, 02:16
Waffenwerks still have VZ58 milspec rifles for $650 +$20 shipping

865-474-9702

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/WaffenWerks/WWVz58.jpg

julysol
January 11, 2011, 14:16
FUUN063: I'm guess'n you'v got ORF's fcg. Mine sucks too. If the disconnector is not engaging the sear properly, try slowly moving the safty lever either direction to see if the disconnector lifts ever so slightly. I had this problem. It was due to the "feather spring" (as czechpoint calls it) not being positioned perfectly. If the spring moves forward the slightest amount the safty lever will not time correctly which does not allow the disconnector to lift enough for proper engagement. ORF's rivet for the spring isn't the prober diameter. I've just ordered the correct rivet from czechpoint myself. ORF's specs on thier receivers aren't that great either so it may be the rivet hole being out of place.

Another issue is if the sear is allowed to move too much to the right, you'll also loose disconnector to sear engagment. It doesn't take much. You might want to drive the roll pin of the sear out a bit more.

And yet one more possibility is if the slot in the trigger for the disconnector was pinched while driving in the pin. This could bind up the disconnector. Make sure it has complete free movement.

I'm searching for a better fcg for mine. A guy on akfiles, called obiwanbonjovi sells US made sets made for him by cncwarrior. Not much feed back on his sets though. I PM'ed him last week but have not yet gotten a reply if he still has any. Apexgunparts also sells US made ones. I think they are Century's. I could make out a "C" in one of thier photos. If obiwan doesn't respond, I'll be buying from Apex.

Looks like Czechpoint won't sell thier US made fcg unless you've purchased thier receiver. If they don't want my money for a set, that's thier biz. I'll give it to thier competitor.

wkendwarrior2003
January 11, 2011, 17:18
Originally posted by indy_Muaddib
Waffenwerks still have VZ58 milspec rifles for $650 +$20 shipping

865-474-9702

http://i746.photobucket.com/albums/xx102/WaffenWerks/WWVz58.jpg

I have one of these. I like it very much.

leper
January 11, 2011, 19:57
could never get mine built on early orf rec to feed. thought of buying a stub from apex, just haven't yet

aussiedave
January 11, 2011, 20:01
i have a VZ58, it has replaced my trusty AK as my best 7,62x39 shooter, it is light, natural pointer, hits the steel gongs out to 200yards, i have picked up around 20 mags for about $10 a piece, and it will be my go to gun until i get a bohica.

Oxmix
January 13, 2011, 12:06
Great rifles.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/Oxmix/Collection/IMG_1460.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0903/Oxmix/Collection/IMG_1457.jpg

Regards

Ox

Wolfsburg1
January 13, 2011, 12:32
I have a Czechpoint Vz-58 and love it. Only negative is that the bayo lug is ground off, but that's just a nit-pick. It's a great little shooter...

Brian in MN
January 16, 2011, 11:28
How are your rails? I don't yet have 1,000 rounds through my Czechpoint. The peening on the rails still seems to get a bit worse each time I take her out. No stoppages yet, though.

LTC B
January 16, 2011, 12:22
I love mine. It's neato. :wink:

FUUN063
January 16, 2011, 17:02
Hey, Wolfsburg1, you could have someone close to you that has a TIG welder build it up with a little weld material. Then, you could go all WECSOG on it with yer trusty Dremel tool. I have done this a few times and you can't even tell it. Then, no nit-picks.

I need to get back to mine and get it working, but no time right now.

Leland:shades:

Carolina Slim
January 17, 2011, 19:02
I have three 7.62x39 rifles. A Ruger Mini-30 I bought when I lived in Commiefornia and it was the only semi auto mag fed rifle legal in CA I could afford at the time. A Polish AKM underfolder, and a Czechpoint VZ-58 sidefolder. The VZ shoots the tightest groups of all three and is the most fun to shoot. I can easily hit a chest sized plate at 300 yards with the irons, which surprised the heck out of me.

I put a Troy rail on it and put an aimpoint comp m3 on it. Got it sighted in at 25 yards, haven't had a chance to do any distance shooting with it yet.

Just had a CNC Warrior US made repro Czech military style muzzle brake attached by CZ custom shop as well.

Combloc
January 20, 2011, 17:14
I have a D-tech model as well. I love that thing beyond words. It's my favorite rifle that I own. I've put a crap load of rounds through it and stuffed it with all kinds of funk (mud, snow, rotting leaves, pine needles, water, etc.) trying to get it to jam. We buried it and threw it. Stomped on it and just generally abused it. It never misses a beat and the finish holds up very well. I finally gave up and just shoot it now. I'd trust my life to it without a secons's thought. As for the peening of the rails...that's perfectly normal and part of its breaking in. It will do that to a point and then stop. It has to do with the way the striker is cut and the tolerances between it and the bolt/bolt carrier. I LOVE Czech firearms!!



http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab269/Combloc/Misc/P1090273.jpg

Wolfsburg1
January 23, 2011, 03:34
Originally posted by FUUN063
Hey, Wolfsburg1, you could have someone close to you that has a TIG welder build it up with a little weld material. Then, you could go all WECSOG on it with yer trusty Dremel tool. I have done this a few times and you can't even tell it. Then, no nit-picks.

I need to get back to mine and get it working, but no time right now.

Leland:shades:

Hmmm, that is a thought. I'll probably just leave it be, but I'll keep that in mind.

harleyrider
February 08, 2011, 04:41
I picked this batch up during the recent sale that Century had. Very basic side folders, but actually a lot of gun for the money. Light, reliable, cheap to shoot; what more could you ask for in a medium-power round semiauto?!

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/harleyrider_photo/DSCF5300.jpg

I may pick up a few more if/when they go back on sale again, especially if they offer up the fixed stock versions.

HR

ftierson
February 08, 2011, 11:50
While working on a couple of vz58 rifles built from kits obtained from APEX and using the D-Technik receivers, I recently picked up one of the Century VZ2008 rifles (which use a US barrel of slightly over 16 inch length so no barrel extension is needed).

I must admit that I'm very happy with the VZ2008 rifle. And, although the AK slant muzzle brake supplied on the VZ2008 rifle looks a little hokey, Century threaded the muzzle correctly so that an original Czech vz58 muzzle nut will fit.

An entire rifle for about the cost of a stripped D-Technik receiver is hard to resist. Oh, wait, that's right, I couldn't... :)

Forrest

Near Sighted Sniper
February 11, 2011, 22:03
Here's mine with friends,CZ97,P01,CZ85 & THE 52.I use to have a CZ52 "she" rifle but unfortunately sold it.Still kicking myself about that.

http://img135.imageshack.us/edit_preview.php?l=img135/2594/dsc00624v.jpg&action=rotate

mrbig381
February 20, 2011, 07:11
So has anyone heard when more VZ 2008's will be available? Seems that everyone is out of them.

alphadog58
February 21, 2011, 11:10
So the Century's are okay? I have a chance to pick up one from a fun store for $600. Should I bite?
Larry

ftierson
February 21, 2011, 14:44
Originally posted by alphadog58
So the Century's are okay? I have a chance to pick up one from a fun store for $600. Should I bite?

Given that J&G Sales is selling the VZ2008 (your choice of folding, synthetic or wood stock) for $359, that sounds a 'little' steep...

Forrest

alphadog58
February 21, 2011, 17:04
Thanks much for that piece of information, Forrest. I'll be calling my FFL to place an order... Like I need another rifle...
Larry

Badasspara
February 21, 2011, 23:32
Helped Blow up a couple of hundred in the 'Stan back in November...:biggrin: :devil:

harleyrider
February 24, 2011, 09:25
Originally posted by harleyrider
I picked this batch up during the recent sale that Century had. Very basic side folders, but actually a lot of gun for the money. Light, reliable, cheap to shoot; what more could you ask for in a medium-power round semiauto?!

http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx196/harleyrider_photo/DSCF5300.jpg

I may pick up a few more if/when they go back on sale again, especially if they offer up the fixed stock versions.

HR


Had a chance to dig one of these out and run a few mags of Golden Tiger FMJ through it over this past weekend.

In a word: Flawless! The rifle was dialed in from the start. I only had a 70-yard range to work with, but was ringing the 4" plate consistently from a standing offhand shooting position. The 30-round mags snicked nice & tightly into place and fed flawlessly. The trigger was relatively light and predictable. And I was really surprised how soft the felt recoil was considering the light weight of the rifle. This thing's a winner! My only minor gripe (and really not a flaw of the rifle) is that the side-folding stock is pretty short in the LOP department for my long arms. I have a fixed OE buttstock & hardware coming so I will swap it out on this one to see if it helps.

All in all, the VZ58 is a delight to shoot. It is the most compact, light centerfire rifle that I have ever shot. Well worth the money I paid for them!

HR

saltshaker
February 26, 2011, 14:34
I have a buddy that is a FFL....His health is not so good these days and subsequently he has incurred some fairly large Med. bills and has sold off quite a bit of his "nice" stuff....It's depressing for him and I because I bought a lot of it and he has sold much of it to other buyers to never be handled by him again....I carry him to the range every now and then to shoot our gear.....He has sold his 7.62 x 39 collection all but a Russian SKS...which I will own as well one day too......
To the point.....He truly misses his Legend ak.....I have never pawed a vz-58 and neither has he but the rifle has quite an appeal to me ...the more I study the design features the more I am impressed with the weapon....
My question to all is how do you rate the rifle and would you consider choosing this rifle over a WASR type AK? My friend John can't lay out much more for an Ak than the WASR grade AK. At any rate I am gonna buy 1 of his new in the box M-4 Bushmaster A-3's. And he is, like I said, gonna get an AK configeration.......I am leaning toward talking him into the vz-58...not an AK, for curiosity and selfish reasons...( I will most likely own this one too.) He is my father in law and at least we keep the stuff n the family and he still gets to play w/ his passion....Keeps him smiling... Are there vz- that take an ak mag? Can they be converted to accept them? How much are the proper mags...What is a fair deal on the folder and the full stock version.....Advice on the best builder? Thank you for helping us.......Larry

XHardrock
February 26, 2011, 15:59
I build one and have not tried a Century but the new SOG flier has them for $329.
Hard to resist.

harleyrider
March 01, 2011, 01:03
Hey XHardrock, do you have a link to that SOG ad? I looked at what I thought was their most recent ad online and couldn't find the $329 special on these. I know they had them on sale for that before Christmas but I couldn't find them on sale now.

Thanks!

HR

mrbig381
March 01, 2011, 05:12
Harleyrider, I spoke to one of the nice young ladies at SOG and she told me they were on backorder. When they come in they would be sold at $329ea. I could have ordered one but I passed. I'll wait till they are back in stock.

Buddymack
March 01, 2011, 19:44
I just got mine not long ago at about 376 delivered ...no complaints so far :shades:

http://img101.imageshack.us/i/dsc0

Buddymack
March 01, 2011, 19:46
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StormWerkz
March 05, 2011, 15:37
A couple of mine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/josh54880/VZ58/IMG_2039.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/josh54880/VZ58/IMG_2046.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v716/josh54880/VZ58/SA-VZ58-02b.jpg

EBRfan
March 11, 2011, 19:37
Yup, one here. Cool little rifles.

FUUN063
November 22, 2011, 04:57
Well, I had time to get mine running. Problem was the US parts did not engage just right. So, I figured out that the sear was going up too far and then not going down enough. Now, I built up the underneath of the sear slightly with the TIG welder and then milled it back down, but leaving approximately .0015 remain. The bottom of the sear rests on the shaft of the safety and the remaining weld I left on it sets it off just enough. Disconnector works as it should as well. I bought a US made flashhider made just like the original, too. It works like a champ now. Here is a quick pick, but I reserve the right to say there is no foul needed as it's not competed. :wink: She's oily from the fresh parkerize job, but that's ok.

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z341/FUUN063/1005.jpg

Now it's time for the range test and a paint job.

Leland:shades:

bob_e95482
November 25, 2011, 15:26
I'm trying to get my local dealer toorder me a Cali model from Czechpoint. It has a 10rd mag with a bullet button, and can also be top fed with a stripper clip.

ssgrock3
November 25, 2011, 20:55
does these take standard AK mags?

007
November 26, 2011, 02:22
For all you VZ58 owners Copes has a 30rd 4-mag set with pouch for $59.99 + $9.99 ship

http://www.copesdistributing.net/vz58-magazine-pouch-p-3971.html

FUUN063
November 26, 2011, 11:00
ssgrock, no they do not take regular AK mags. They take they're own aluminum mags and they sell them at Cope's as noted above. I have this very package from them I purchased from the Creek. One was brand new and the rest were like new, but slightlyl used.

Leland

ftierson
November 26, 2011, 11:26
The last that I knew, APEX also had the same deal for the same price...

APEX Gun Parts (http://www.apexgunparts.com)

Forrest

Edited to add link...

nightschneider
November 26, 2011, 19:49
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=MVZ58&name=Surplus+Czechoslovakian+vz.58+30rd+7.62x39+Ma gs&groupid=15

AIM has them for 11.95 ea/ buy 4 get the free pouch...shipping was 14 for one set...i bought two sets...ended up being like 98 shipped for 8 mags/ two pouches.

all look great...pouches are neat...leather, well made w/ maker marks/ acceptance stamps

homelandprotector
November 27, 2011, 09:25
Full auto is pretty devastating........

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DYNOMIKE
November 27, 2011, 19:20
That vid is just fuggin schweet... :bow:

These guns kick ass in semi, a happy switch would be so much more fun..

harleyrider
December 02, 2011, 11:04
Originally posted by DYNOMIKE
That vid is just fuggin schweet... :bow:

These guns kick ass in semi, a happy switch would be so much more fun..

I agree, but man would ammo get expensive!

Wonder where they are from? I was not aware that any full auto VZ-58's were available/legal in the US, although I certainly could be wrong.

HR

nightschneider
December 02, 2011, 11:38
I'm sure somebody would play around and build one up as a demo or sample...the cyclic rate is pretty damn quick....looks like a heap of fun.

DYNOMIKE
December 02, 2011, 22:00
I agree, most likely a dealer sample..
Hoping when we get our CLASSIII we can get some cool dealer samples for the range.. :biggrin:

kayakpirate
December 09, 2011, 11:18
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FUUN063
December 24, 2011, 03:57
Hey, freak, those folders will swap out very easily with the standard buttstock. And, what do you know, here's a new one for sale. Not mine.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=322425


Leland
:fal:

cjjtulsa
December 27, 2011, 07:36
Good deal, Freak; I'm currently out of town, and my new Vz58 from Czechpoint is waiting on me at my FFL. Can't wait to pick it up as soon as I get back.

armoredman
January 11, 2012, 14:49
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/CZ%20posters/Travelingcompanions.jpg

My Czechpoint vz-58 with Neit extended ambidextrous mag release and Neit extended bolt release, FAB forearm, folding foregrip and ergo pistol grip, FAB folding cheek riser stock, pictures in it's UTG Covert Rifle case, (not a very well built design), and CZ SP-01 Phantom.
The two Neit devices mean you can manipulate everything with the trigger finger without moving your hand off the pistol grip.

I am not the worlds greatest shot, but this is 200 yards braced, not rested. the different 5 round groups are marked. That was without magnification, BTW, EOTech only, which is sadly gone now.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/vz%20at%20200%20yards/016.jpg

Only thing that ever jammed this rifle was a bad Winchester primer which dropped a disc off the back of itself into the action. Ergo, I use no more Winchester primers, and after the horrible attitude of their customer service, I use no more Winchester products.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/range%20trip/75yardvz58EOTech3.jpg

I am very happy with my vz-58, best darn light rifle I ever bought.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/range%20trip/vz58andnewshirt.jpg

armoredman
January 12, 2012, 09:18
BTW, kayak pirate, I had to stop watching that video right at the beginning, as soon as he said the vz-58 is an AK variant - only thing interchangeable between the vz-58 and the AK is the ammo. The vz has more in common with the STG-44 than the AK. :)