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Heat
October 14, 2010, 14:22
U.S. Troops To Deal With Rioting Americans

More crazy conspiracy type stuff--we all know how the govt is our friend!!


http://www.prisonplanet.com/u-s-troops-to-deal-with-rioting-americans.html

martin35
October 14, 2010, 15:12
I think Military police can have arrest privileges with the foreknowledge of local law authorities, a form of duputization is effected and they must then follow the same routine after arrest for quick adjudication, they would normally turn any arrested over to civilian authorities for any confinement.
If I see you committing a crime in Texas I can affect a citizens arrest and use any force needed to bring you immediately with proof of a crime to a local court, Justice of the Peace. If you don't want to go peaceable I would just shoot you within the confines of the current use of lethal force laws and I ain't long on patience.
Don't mess with Texas,,,, I can arrest soldiers or law enforcement agents who I witness with proof of breaking the law in my presence also. The only exceptions I can think of are Black Panthers and illegal drug dealers who are immune from arrest but not multiple accidental discharges.
Any word of a general roundup would meet armed resistance similar that at the Concord Bridge.

Heat
October 14, 2010, 15:22
What about checkpoints? I have seen border patrol deep within our borders and they use these as a way of stopping everyone and demanding answers to certain questions with no evidence of any crime being commited. How long before the gov starts augmenting these checkpoints with troops? What then?

JasonB
October 14, 2010, 16:47
Originally posted by martin35
I think Military police can have arrest privileges with the foreknowledge of local law authorities, a form of duputization is effected and they must then follow the same routine after arrest for quick adjudication, they would normally turn any arrested over to civilian authorities for any confinement.
If I see you committing a crime in Texas I can affect a citizens arrest and use any force needed to bring you immediately with proof of a crime to a local court, Justice of the Peace. If you don't want to go peaceable I would just shoot you within the confines of the current use of lethal force laws and I ain't long on patience.
Don't mess with Texas,,,, I can arrest soldiers or law enforcement agents who I witness with proof of breaking the law in my presence also. The only exceptions I can think of are Black Panthers and illegal drug dealers who are immune from arrest but not multiple accidental discharges.
Any word of a general roundup would meet armed resistance similar that at the Concord Bridge.


So how many LE committing traffic violations have you hauled in?

Funny, everytime a general round up of people or property has happened in the past it has met with complacency. Any idea why the proverbial next time is going to be different?

Heat
October 14, 2010, 16:56
Originally posted by JasonB



So how many LE committing traffic violations have you hauled in?

Funny, everytime a general round up of people or property has happened in the past it has met with complacency. Any idea why the proverbial next time is going to be different?

Its called tough talk..most people are pussies

Heat
October 14, 2010, 20:18
Originally posted by 308bolt


Some of those tough talkers are man enough that they're are unafraid to to say or do whatever they deem necessary.

Others are democrats.
Some, not many-I stand by my belief that most are pussies-to justify that all I have to do is look at the way things have gone in the past 5 or 6 decades--more so the past 3. We have gone from a relatively constitutionally based nation to one that almost entirely ignores our heritage, laws (constitutional laws) debt, expansion of govt at ALL levels. Broken borders, unjust wars etc.. and most have stood by while the nation has incrementally been socialized and destroyed/changed to where most generations past wouldnt recognize it and if they did would be so dissapointed
Alot has been said about how our founders would be cast as outlaws today, how they wouldnt even have a chance to do what they didt then--they'd certainly try--but most people today wouldnt--because they are pussies

JasonB
October 14, 2010, 20:27
Originally posted by Heat

Some, not many-I stand by my belief that most are pussies-to justify that all I have to do is look at the way things have gone in the past 5 or 6 decades--more so the past 3. We have gone from a relatively constitutionally based nation to one that almost entirely ignores our heritage, laws (constitutional laws) debt, expansion of govt at ALL levels. Broken borders, unjust wars etc.. and most have stood by while the nation has incrementally been socialized and destroyed/changed to where most generations past wouldnt recognize it and if they did would be so dissapointed
Alot has been said about how our founders would be cast as outlaws today, how they wouldnt even have a chance to do what they didt then--they'd certainly try--but most people today wouldnt--because they are pussies

I am thinking more along the lines of the last 15-16 decades. And any more I am not really sure about the founders motives considering there wasn't a penalty mentioned after every sentence in the Constitution for violations.

CactusCapt
October 14, 2010, 21:56
What about checkpoints? I have seen border patrol deep within our borders and they use these as a way of stopping everyone and demanding answers to certain questions with no evidence of any crime being commited.

Those checkpoints have been in Texas since at least 1983. I passed through a portable one many times on my way to Del Rio from San Antonio from '83-'84. They are not looking for you...

FAL freek
October 14, 2010, 22:08
Originally posted by JasonB


I am thinking more along the lines of the last 15-16 decades. And any more I am not really sure about the founders motives considering there wasn't a penalty mentioned after every sentence in the Constitution for violations. Better check your facts a little closer. Jackson sent the Cherokees west even after they took the U.S. Govt. to the Supreme Court on the issue, and won. Of which Jackson commented, "John Marshall has made his decision. Now let him enforce it!"Americas expansionist war with Meixhole was real Constitutional, Shays Rebellion, Alien and Sedition Acts, even Jeffersons purchase of Louisiana without the governments consent can fall under scrutiny. Whole lotta stuff happened waaaaay before the War Between the States erupted.

martin35
October 15, 2010, 09:17
I see a diminished will to resist the encroachment of our freedoms more-so in areas outside of Texas, most who call themselves Texans retain a means and will to resist any overt despotism of absolute rule.
Other parts of America also still have elementary Red Neck absolutists who are not well disposed to the restraints of mandated domesticity in exchange for a Marxist bureaucratically defined and managed "safe" life. Democracy needs some chaos of descension to be a functioning Democracy, Red Necks and Tea Party's can and will provide that descent.

V guy
October 15, 2010, 09:34
20,000 troops?

NYC would swallow up that number of them, let alone Boston, Philly, DC, etc.
There ain't enough troops to go around.

But, if US troops take up quarters in American homes and loot food to distribute to "others" then all bets are off on the outcome.

Constitutional safeguards are deeply ingrained.

HOWEVER

There is a Pakistani Terrorist who came in across the Mexican border who has all the security agencies in an uproar.
He probably has a suitcase nuke.

It took some effort to get the guy here and Obama/George Soros/ Bill Ayers had to go to great lengths to buy the nuke and put the guy in place.

Just before election he will attack, allowing Obama to declare marial law and you know how that one ends--Cap and Trade, Prison Camps, no more Constitution, food cutoffs, etc. All being handled out of the West Wing.

Heat
October 15, 2010, 17:46
Originally posted by V guy
20,000 troops?

NYC would swallow up that number of them, let alone Boston, Philly, DC, etc.
There ain't enough troops to go around.




You think? What would the people in these cities resist with-Pitchforks? I say most people would hightail it--I hear all kinds of brave talk here and at my local gun range and gunstore..but it's mostly just talk from alot of obese, middleaged to old men and an occasional noisy wife (they remind me of yapping dogs). I dont reckon many of us have stared down the barrel of a .50cal machine gun on top of a humvee or the cannon of a bradley or other type armor and felt the compunction to stand and duel with them
As for them being overt in rustling us around, they havent yet..gov will just herd us like the sheep we are

Dolvio
October 15, 2010, 18:05
Well, lets do some rough math shall we? How many gun owners in America? What if even 1 half of 1% of those decide to resist? How many people in the armed forces again?

They may declare martial law in certain cities and hold them, but they'll never maintain it across the USA. You can take that for internet tough guy talk if you want. I don't mind.

*just remember if you have a hunting license to expect a midnight knock on the door. Those scoped rifles could become a real pain in the ass to an occupying force.

FAL freek
October 15, 2010, 18:34
Originally posted by Dolvio

*just remember if you have a hunting license to expect a midnight knock on the door. Those scoped rifles could become a real pain in the ass to an occupying force. Yup. Belgian snipers wrecked havoc on the occupying Germans in their cities during WW I.

alant
October 15, 2010, 18:43
The National Guard is, in most states, allowed under state law to exercise police authority (i.e. under specific circumstances and under command of the Governor of the state).

Some states have inter-state or regional assistance agreements.

You can't tell National Guard from Active Duty troops just by looking at them.

Once placed under federal control (title 10 orders) National Guard troops are under the same legal restrictions as Active Duty troops.

I'm fairly certain Active Duty MPs can arrest private citizens who are violating the law on federal property such as a military reservation. How the crime is adjudicated may depend on the charges. UCMJ doesn't apply to private citizens, but federal, state and local laws do. UCMJ doesn't apply to National Guard troops in state (title 32) status.

wkendwarrior2003
October 15, 2010, 20:55
Originally posted by alant

You can't tell National Guard from Active Duty troops just by looking at them.


I dunno man...are ya sure?? http://www.motifake.com/saveas.php?id=48265

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

(BTW, anybody in the Guard or who was in the Guard that might be offended by that, lighten up, I was in myself for 6 years :wink: ).

FAL freek
October 15, 2010, 21:12
Alant, was hoping you left for greener pastures. Oh well. Just FYI yur buddy the lawyer has gone on strike since his golden boy in the oval office has shown how truely worthless he really is and hasn't come back. You're going to be fighting the fight on your own. :wink: Originally posted by alant

You can't tell National Guard from Active Duty troops just by looking at them.
What? Never mind.

alant
October 15, 2010, 21:17
Does the Army have a sumo wrestling team?

"Active duty" includes, by definition, mobilized National Guard Soldiers.

Perhaps you were thinking "Regular Army" verses "Reserve Component" (Guard and Reserve)?

richardrose67
October 15, 2010, 21:17
I have seen the ATF training in squad formations on a U.S. military base . Black uniforms helmets and rifles, they looked just like U.S. military, small arm bands marked ATF. Range firing, gas mask training, squad tactics. What reason could they possibly have for this?:wink:

alant
October 15, 2010, 21:28
Originally posted by richardrose67
I have seen the ATF training in squad formations on a U.S. military base . Black uniforms helmets and rifles, they looked just like U.S. military, small arm bands marked ATF. Range firing, gas mask training, squad tactics. What reason could they possibly have for this?:wink:

Maybe they go after organized groups of criminals just like any other law enforcement agency. You've heard of/seen SWAT teams, right?

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alant
October 15, 2010, 21:34
Originally posted by FAL freek
Alant, was hoping you left for greener pastures. Oh well. Just FYI yur buddy the lawyer has gone on strike since his golden boy in the oval office has shown how truely worthless he really is and hasn't come back. You're going to be fighting the fight on your own. :wink:

Does that wink mean you've got my back or are you just happy to see me?

I'm only here for a short while to see what y'all are up to. Only a temporary sanity check for the asylum inmates and a chance for the spelling Nazis to make sport of me.

FAL freek
October 15, 2010, 21:42
Usually you can tell from looking at someone in uniform if they're AD or NG. If not from that, a 5 minute conversation will be definate proof.Originally posted by alant
Only a temporary sanity check for the asylum inmates. Ya got us figured out. Most here are gluttons for punishment.

cpd109
October 16, 2010, 07:05
Originally posted by FAL freek
Yup. Belgian snipers wrecked havoc on the occupying Germans in their cities during WW I.

Don't forget about the Swiss. The threat that they levied with their national guard was enough to keep Germany out. It wasn't the mountains.

Supposedly there was a postcard or cartoon of "the" Swiss general and a German geneal talking. The German said what do you propose to do if we invade with twice as many soldiers as you have? The Swiss replied "Shoot twice". Nothing has changed there so far as I know.

7.62srbest
October 16, 2010, 08:00
Originally posted by alant


Maybe they go after organized groups of criminals just like any other law enforcement agency. You've heard of/seen SWAT teams, right?

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Hey!! Maybe they'll go down the the US border with Mexico and really go after the organized and armed criminal gangs working that area and help local law enforcement.

Then again, maybe not.

molotov
October 16, 2010, 08:58
I dont reckon many of us have stared down the barrel of a .50cal machine gun on top of a humvee or the cannon of a bradley or other type armor and felt the compunction to stand and duel with them

This is true, but there is also the scoped rifle, ambushes, and knowledge of oxidizers and their usage.

JasonB
October 16, 2010, 12:40
Originally posted by 308bolt


The majority of the assaults on our constitutional republic have been covert rather than overt.
Though the well informed have seen cause for alarm the rest remain blissfully oblivious to the threats our country faces from within.
Unfortunately the well informed are vastly outnumbered by the willfully ignorant who's only thoughts are for their day to day comfort. They are those who prefer to cast a vote for whoever the main stream media promotes the best and then have faith that whoever's elected will keep their promise to have the nation's best interests at heart.
When those people get their lives disrupted on a basic level and feel that they have little left to lose, their complacency (which you consider their cowardice) will be shaken.
Then and only then will you see them stir to action.
I don't believe that the majority of Americans are cowardly, they're just self-absorbed and lack motivation.
Americans as a group are an independent minded people who are not afraid of conflict.
They just need a threat to themselves individually and a clear-cut target.
Of course the most of them will be totally useless in a fight but they should serve as a sop for the oppositions resources.

I think most Americans are ok with what ever happens so long as it is the guy they voted for that does it.

I think Amricans are afraid of conflict if they initiate it. It is amazing some of the things that a movign speach can whip them in to a frenzy over though.

martin35
October 16, 2010, 12:55
My memory of alant is that he or she as the case maybe was a liberal addendum of DABTL with a very similar philosophy,,while that seems a common malady among intelligent people it is not mainstream FAL Files Forum philosophy that seeks to discourage, alienate or exclude any thought not politically correct here, the same crime we accuse liberals of perpetrating.
Everyone here has the right to keep and bear arms and that right and the right of a opposing opinion are much the same in my opinion.
The intelligence be it nefarious or legitimate that we each apply to our positions is the main difference I see in our political positions empowerment.
Some here are squirrel hunters and are so equipt and some seek grizzly bear, one takes more intelligence and courage to bag, I prefer when possible to hunt bears with my trusty not too rusty weapons.
Y'all move ole alant a little more to the left where I can get a good shot at him,,, winter is comin' and I got a naked barn door that needs covered.

one hand clapping
October 16, 2010, 13:36
I sadley must agree that most americans today are cowards. We would NOT be in the straights we are in if the mind controled/ chemical controled/ indoctrinationaly controled masses hadn't taken the bait / submitted to "athorities" when told to send their kids to government re-education camps some 70 yrs ago. And if the media had not been captured some time later. Then came the chemicals and drugs.[ not to mention the co-optiong of the major religions]

This directionaless mass of humanity will keep most ALL of our reg troops very busy with their needs, stupidity and sense of entitlement for a very long time.
can you spell "cannon fodder ?"
I'm a bit more concerned about the mercenaries and federal assult teams targeting those of us who as good citizens, attempt to hold to the founding values of our republic, and rally those who would stand for the constitution and freedom.
It will not take that many to prevent a total takeover. Count me first in line to protect the constution and I care not who on the planet knows it . I REFUSE to live in fear.
I have been on the receving end of small arms fire. I know that many get scared HOWEVER if you are brave and willing to lead , there are some who will overcome their fear and step up. the more that step up ,the more that get brave and after several encounters ,if the task is just, tactics right and citizen fighters well trained, one can resist big brother.
I am NOT sugesting engaging armor head on or returning minigun fire [ unless ya got a spare stinger in yer back pocket]. to overcome occupation I suggest we look at the tactics we are dealing with in the sandbox / asskrackastan as a starting point and educate those on active duty as to the need to refuse unlawful orders.
My 2cents
One hand clapping

JasonB
October 16, 2010, 13:55
Originally posted by one hand clapping
I sadley must agree that most americans today are cowards. We would NOT be in the straights we are in if the mind controled/ chemical controled/ indoctrinationaly controled masses hadn't taken the bait / submitted to "athorities" when told to send their kids to government re-education camps some 70 yrs ago. And if the media had not been captured some time later. Then came the chemicals and drugs.[ not to mention the co-optiong of the major religions]

This directionaless mass of humanity will keep most ALL of our reg troops very busy with their needs, stupidity and sense of entitlement for a very long time.
can you spell "cannon fodder ?"
I'm a bit more concerned about the mercenaries and federal assult teams targeting those of us who as good citizens, attempt to hold to the founding values of our republic, and rally those who would stand for the constution and freedom.
It will not take that many to prevent a total takeover. Count me first in line to protect the constution and I care not who on the planet knows it . I REFUSE to live in fear.
I have been on the receving end of small arms fire. I know that many get scared HOWEVER if you are brave and willing to lead , there are some who will overcome their fear and step up. the more that step up ,the more that get brave and after several encounters ,if the task is just, tactics right and citizen fighters well trained, one can resist big brother.
I am NOT sugesting engaging armor head on or returning minigun fire [ unless ya got a spare stinger in yer back pocket]. to overcome occupation I suggest we look at the tactics we are dealing with in the sandbox / asskrackastan as a starting point and educate those on active duty as to the need to refuse unlawful orders.
My 2cents
One hand clapping

Americans have been cowards going way back. Doing what you are told because you are more scared of party A than party B (and/or getting paid by A to attack B) is hardly a sign of courage.

There might be a bit of a difference when talking about those in the 1770's, but considering they fought to install men to power who by and large limited their exposure to danger and then compounded that by writing "rules" for themselves with no consequnces for violations, I don't really think they were that much better either.

cpd109
October 16, 2010, 15:36
Originally posted by JasonB


Americans have been cowards going way back. Doing what you are told because you are more scared of party A than party B (and/or getting paid by A to attack B) is hardly a sign of courage.


I cannot disagree with you more. Yes, there are cowards in America. So what, they are in every country. Your whole line of dribble is sickening. Why are you even in the US if you really beleive this?

Off the top of my head, I think there are two components to not only the grunt but to the hero as well-
1. They see that something needs doing- and probably needs doing right now. (CGMs get issued for things like this.)
2. They are also optimistic in that they will be able to do the job and are not likely to get hurt. (Or they get hurt and don't care anymore.) Or if they think they ARE likely to get hurt, they do it anyway, fighting through their fears because it is the right thing to do.

Thugs are cowards at heart. And they have nothing to fight for except some more liquor, crack or woman (or man), or money so they can get some of the former items. And if they are going to have to fight for it and might really lose, they will walk away unless they get mad too. So often I see where a person is attacked or threatened by a thug. The smarter ones pull their guns out and the thug makes a break for it. Some of the thugs die, but that's their lot in life. I have seen figures on this upwards of 1.5M times a year, but record keeping in this is spotty at best. So, my question to you is:

Are you a thug since you seem to identify with them so well? Or just have the mindset of a thug?

Possibly, in your defense, you are getting apathy and laziness confused with cowardace.

JasonB
October 16, 2010, 16:20
Originally posted by cpd109


I cannot disagree with you more. Yes, there are cowards in America. So what, they are in every country. Your whole line of dribble is sickening. Why are you even in the US if you really beleive this?

Born here and no place else seems to operate in a significantly different fashion.

Originally posted by cpd109


Thugs are cowards at heart. And they have nothing to fight for except some more liquor, crack or woman (or man), or money so they can get some of the former items. And if they are going to have to fight for it and might really lose, they will walk away unless they get mad too. So often I see where a person is attacked or threatened by a thug. The smarter ones pull their guns out and the thug makes a break for it. Some of the thugs die, but that's their lot in life. I have seen figures on this upwards of 1.5M times a year, but record keeping in this is spotty at best. So, my question to you is:

Are you a thug since you seem to identify with them so well? Or just have the mindset of a thug?

Considering I have done nothing to indicate I start fights for liquor, crack, women/men, or money which you said are indicators of thugs and you said I identify with thugs then a simple **** you is in order I think.

Originally posted by cpd109


Possibly, in your defense, you are getting apathy and laziness confused with cowardace.

Apathy and laziness do indeed fit in to it, but cowardice plays a role as well.

Dolvio
October 16, 2010, 18:23
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii46/Dolvio/eternalvigilance.jpg

No need to bicker fellas. Someone fell asleep on guard duty a long time ago. It was all planned this way.

There is a great book at mises.org that you can read for free online or download the pdf.

Fabian Freeway: High Road to Socialism in the USA by Rose Martin

http://mises.org/books/Fabian_Freeway_Martin.pdf

Spells it out as clear as day.

longhair51
October 16, 2010, 19:12
Originally posted by one hand clapping
I sadley must agree that most americans today are cowards.
I do enjoy your posts, but in this case I must disagree. There is a difference between cowardice and fear. I think that many of our citizens are afraid of the "line". I speak of the line that separates civility and violence. Most normal people seek to live their lives in peace, and in doing so they create family, wealth, happiness, ect. I think that crossing that line does, and should, take a considerable amount of thought.

I have taken the time to know where my line is in several areas of life. For example: if you were to pose immediate grevious harm to myself or family, I would kill you. The thought process has already been done by me. Most people do not think in those extremes. When there comes a time for the citizenry at large to think about such things, there will be more than you may think crossing that line.

Just my thoughts, and worth every penny you paid for them.:)

martin35
October 16, 2010, 19:35
JasonB, does the phrase "dumb son of a bitch" ring a bell? Your shame for your country is transportable to a wide world of choices, don't be a coward choose one.

JasonB
October 16, 2010, 19:58
Originally posted by martin35
JasonB, does the phrase "dumb son of a bitch" ring a bell? Your shame for your country is transportable to a wide world of choices, don't be a coward choose one.

Not really, but I guess you hear it often.

When are you going to show us your trophies from your many instances where you drug in LE for traffic violations or more?

Firestarter
October 16, 2010, 20:02
Originally posted by martin35
JasonB, does the phrase "dumb son of a bitch" ring a bell? Your shame for your country is transportable to a wide world of choices, don't be a coward choose one.

:rofl: :bow: :beer:

longhair51
October 16, 2010, 20:13
Originally posted by martin35
JasonB,......don't be a coward choose one.
I think a direct frontal assault on some important building(libraries don't count) should prove his fervor. I'll be looking for it in the news.:rofl:

alant
October 16, 2010, 20:15
Originally posted by martin35
My memory of alant is that he or she as the case maybe was a liberal addendum of DABTL with a very similar philosophy,,while that seems a common malady among intelligent people it is not mainstream FAL Files Forum philosophy that seeks to discourage, alienate or exclude any thought not politically correct here, the same crime we accuse liberals of perpetrating.
Everyone here has the right to keep and bear arms and that right and the right of a opposing opinion are much the same in my opinion.
The intelligence be it nefarious or legitimate that we each apply to our positions is the main difference I see in our political positions empowerment.
Some here are squirrel hunters and are so equipt and some seek grizzly bear, one takes more intelligence and courage to bag, I prefer when possible to hunt bears with my trusty not too rusty weapons.
Y'all move ole alant a little more to the left where I can get a good shot at him,,, winter is comin' and I got a naked barn door that needs covered.

You started off with what looked like good intentions, being all polite and considerate of others' opinions. Then your words turn to covering the barn door?

Bear makes for bad eatin' and squirrels don't go far on the dinner table or for covering that barn door. My kit is for shooting e-silhouettes and similar.

JasonB
October 16, 2010, 20:27
Originally posted by longhair51

I think a direct frontal assault on some important building(libraries don't count) should prove his fervor. I'll be looking for it in the news.:rofl:

martin35 was insinuating he was hauling in everyone up to and including LE for various infractions and mentioning he would be legit in shooting them if they resisted. You might want to start looking for grandiose schemes there.

martin35
October 16, 2010, 21:21
You started off with what looked like good intentions, being all polite and considerate of others' opinions. Then your words turn to covering the barn door?
Bear makes for bad eatin' and squirrels don't go far on the dinner table or for covering that barn door. My kit is for shooting e-silhouettes and similar.
I have to assume we are products of different environments and metaphorical invention.
Your opinions are interesting to me in a perverse way.

Firestarter
October 16, 2010, 23:23
Originally posted by alant


You started off with what looked like good intentions, being all polite and considerate of others' opinions. Then your words turn to covering the barn door?

Bear makes for bad eatin' and squirrels don't go far on the dinner table or for covering that barn door. My kit is for shooting e-silhouettes and similar.

You're the same ole progressive/liberal cocksucker that we all remember alant. Nothing more and precious little else.

Contributes nothing just like your democrat/union party.

Hope this helps.

Raspeguy
October 17, 2010, 09:24
If all the "heroes" in this thread were truly the brave men they espouse to be, considering their recognition of all the coercive injustices perpetrated upon this nation, and by consequence upon themselves personally, they would at best presently be fugitives of the State, if they were the men of bold action and conviction they say they are. They can surely beat the hell out of the keyboard and berate others for exemplifying in themselves what they dislike in others. About the only assault that will be launched will be at the ballot box, expecting the next chorus of clowns or tough talkers, the other half of the puppet team, to restore this nation to some vague sense of its originality. Isn't that about the size of it? The more things change (this party, that party) the more things remain the same or realistically, ever continually devolve from any semblance of it founding principles. Since I haven't taken any overt action, nor intend to do so, you know what I am. So do I. You will not find me stroking my weapon and fantasizing of great things. Scarcely be the one who will inquire of the root motivations for that "good feeling" that is invoked from having a weapon in hand. The ones at he top have achieved it, the others can only dream of it.

Please all, quit referring to this country as a republic or democracy. Look up the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto (love child and tool of the wealthy elite) and compare the state of the nation in thus regard. Next to family, the home must be next in closeness. What happens to my paid off home if I become destitute to the extent that prevents me from paying my ever increasing property taxes. An extension of the State takes it from me by force. Where will I then go now? Or more appropriately, who gives a ****?

Another thing to ponder before taking on the State. Are most of the people in this country worth it? We have over 50 million examples in recent decades wherein women of this nation chose their convenience, their selfish interest, as paramount over the precious life that was being nurtured within their bodies. Here, as in much of the western world, the so-called pinnacle of civilization, vast numbers are addicted to drugs, both legal and illegal, to make life palpable, to add some zing to their otherwise dull sense of the world or their minds. Their lust for violence is prevalent extensively in the media and games. Music is power, its effect on the weak minded exacerbated. And what do you find today but the most degenerate forms of music to be among the most popular. A fitting match for a soulless, self-centric nation. I'll skip over pornography and perversion other than this briefest of acknowledgement. I'll give a personal nod to the growing habit of lying, attendant with no sense of remorse, guilt, or shame. Jesus one hour on Sunday, Satan and me me me the rest of the week. Have I in one way or another by now managed to insult 80 percent of the membership?

Surely by now most recognize the rise of the police state and its criminality, its demeaning attitude towards the citizenry. And the better examples of the men in blue (or black now as in darkness) will bemoan with you these excesses and state of affairs. But as with others, nearly all such condemnation is low key. Men who will dodge a bullet, will not be so loud to criticize their own ranks to an extent that jeopardizes lively hood and pensions, the realization of such revealing an utterly corrupt system. Better have another line of work to fall back on before any vigorous pursuit of cleansing your own ranks is seriously contemplated, if you're still around. Better yet, take the easy way, and just overlook it cause you know you are different and stand apart (how far?). But no surprise; it all comes from the same social pool of human feedstock. Skin for skin, all that a man will give. Sounds hypocritically religious doesn't it? Not me, no pretenses. Well, I'm bound to have some or a lot, being far removed from sainthood. Denial is not one of my strong points and I do recognize the Christian Bible is a book of wisdom and insight of human nature. Neither is it flattering. The nation overwhelmingly has chosen mammon.

Or how about our brave, young men in uniform "serving" their country? Or are they simply serving themselves foremost? Fresh out of high school, equipped with a dumbed down education, a depressed economy offering low wages for the attendant jobs available, the military is an attractive alternative. Let's see...$1622.10 per month for an E2. I mean, how long you gonna be an E1? Free food, clothing allowance, roof over your head, medical, bonuses and pension if I string it out for 20+ with some post civilian job (working for the State again) hiring advantages, no need for transportation as they will take me where they want, opportunity to be a little jerk (if of that mindset) when otherwise I might get my c*ck bruised in civilian life, no mental gymnastics over right or wrong..just follow orders (sure you have a choice, but the alternative may be unpleasant). Not a bad economic choice is it? Hell, it's a no brainer. Add the bucks up with the value before tax of the benefits and compare this to the maybe $12 an hour civilian "opportunity" out of which you will have to extract the costs for medical participation, transportation, food, rent, clothing, your own retirement (at those earning levels, SS will be commensurate!). If I was such a young man today in that situation, off to the Navy or Air Force I would be. I would not surrender my mind...maybe act like I did though! Yeah, I could fool them. But make no mistake, it is all for me. Not for God, country, or mom's apple pie. Notice I left out the Marine Corps and Army (well other than a few choices within). That's cause I'm looking for the best opportunities and safest options in regards to future employment in the MI racket, various enforcement agencies to continue working for the almighty State, or related civilian jobs. Call me a hero (a popular buzz word applied like salt) if you wish for my choice, if it fits your definition. I won't dissuade your opinion, although I would know better. I would only take that life course as long as we had the overwhelming military presence whose typical application was to bully weak countries for exploitation of resources (extending democracy), geopolitical chicanery (promoting freedom and human dignity), debauchery and slaughter, etc. for the benefit of some at the top of the pecking order (or is that the new world order now :)). Start that saber rattling with the big boys, where my fate might find residence similar to the carnage in the WW1 trenches, Pacific island campaigns, the Eastern Front, and likely in a far shorter order, I would have to respectfully decline any such willful choice. I'll leave that for the real men, with the real generals of today, those with hardly room left on their uniforms for all the medals and badges awarded for all their little to no direct combat exposure. A silver star for every colonel's ticket.

It seems to me the herding of the cattle is proceeding nicely. Little bit of snorting here and there, but you will always have some disgruntled subjects, now that more are awakening to the fact that their toys, their accumulated wealth, and lifestyles are in ever increasing jeopardy, for long since having passed the republic?, the democracy?, now tottering on full blown fascism or greater darkness coupled to oligarchy or plutocracy, ending up with perhaps a disaster far exceeding medieval feudalism or equaling any previously recorded inhumanity or catastrophes? And people here still condemn the Third Reich with a straight face! Somebody lift them out of the box. The main thing to remember; as long as you have your ass left, you still have something precious to hang on to and no nation ever had a shortage of goons to unleash upon its populace. Hopefully, any dissatisfaction will not reach an elevated level wherein another false flag operation will be contemplated to get the subjects' minds thinking the "right way". Anything is possible today that evil minds can conceive, and they are here. For the "real men" that do realize that some are worth saving and sacrifice, that pathological wishful thinking for resistance must be constrained by the unpleasant realism required for its effect or tempered with the realization that recompense will run the course that the nation sowed. The rain falleth on the just and unjust alike. The relative equality of arms and means that existed in the late 1700s was an advantage that is no longer existent to the common folk of today.

This is a lot of negative thinking, eh? Just skimming the edges. Contrary to the PC mindset that in one form or another, one application or another, that has ensnared most, it is predominately this kind of thinking, or dissatisfaction, that generates the motivation for positive change. However, as one member here stated many years ago, a reset will only come when this country hits bottom. The question arises what will be the bottom? What will be the aftermath or nature of the reset?

I sure as hell have rambled enough for one post, but it is Sunday.

Gawd, I love this place!
JADA.

STGThndr
October 17, 2010, 11:10
Well it could happen given an astringent enuff national emergency. I may be a blind "sheeple".. but I think most of the blahblahblah ad nauseum is posturing by the parties hollering the loudest here. These same posturing loudmouths will be right in line with whatever it takes to restore/maintain order and see to it that vital national needs are met. As a nation we face serious problems which could bite us hard economically and socially, most here realise that. What we DON'T necessarily need is a bunch of gibber-jabber. We also do not need an internal destruction of our society fueled by nut-jobs on either side of the equation.
I think that Alex Jones is a less than credible source and is an alarmist who sees an "Illuminati" behind every rock. Then again, my tune could change if all this shit comes down. We shall see.
Just my gut-felt two cents, ymmv.

martin35
October 17, 2010, 13:37
In order to be able to enjoy the fruits of your labor and the rights accorded us by our Constitution one really should be alive and well in a well regulated and lawful environment, when for what ever reason the environment is made hazardous it has been the custom of American leadership to lawfully declare and employ Martial Law and suspend for the duration of the threat some rights until law and order is restored with confidence and normalcy returned.
Like pornography we all know it when we see it, some don't see the value of law and order when they see it, we can live without Porn but not without law and order, the country wasn't designed to work that way.
Wandering lost in the wilderness is for really old Jews, but even they didn't much care for it.
Absolute fairness is called the state of death where all men are equal forever, unless they have a good biographer.
Y'all stop messin' with me ya got me hyperventilating puffing out my chest and it makes my voice all wispy,,, John Wayne would have never made it with Don Knotts voice.

martin35
October 17, 2010, 13:54
martin35 was insinuating he was hauling in everyone up to and including LE for various infractions and mentioning he would be legit in shooting them if they resisted. You might want to start looking for grandiose schemes there.
It is possible that the knowledge of a citizens right to act is a influence on the lawman who would act beyond his authority, stay in the barrel and age some more.

FAL freek
October 17, 2010, 17:01
Originally posted by Raspeguy
If all the "heroes" in this thread were truly the brave men they espouse to be, considering their recognition of all the coercive injustices perpetrated upon this nation, and by consequence upon themselves personally, they would at best presently be fugitives of the State, if they were the men of bold action and conviction they say they are. They can surely beat the hell out of the keyboard and berate others for exemplifying in themselves what they dislike in others..............................

Gawd, I love this place!
JADA.
As I said after your last tirade from a few days back, which many thought was a bit of veiled humor, Anybody who doesn't get giddy when the BBT pulls up shold take serious stock of where they are in their life. Couple years back and before that you used to have very informative and some thought provoking posts. As the years have progressed the same can not be said. Didja make me mad? Hardly, I've got a big grin on my face right now. Looks more like babbling to me in your posting.

You so mock young kids that decide to don a uniform and refer to America bullying some small country, guess you don't see you're benefitting from those endeavors. Every country on the face of this earth and every country that has ever existed has done the same to varying degrees. Tell ya what, give all your stuff to some third world country you believe America has pillaged and stripped bare and then cast your stones. :wink:

Do I think this country has even two generations (trying to be optomistic) before it turns on itself and collapses? Better believe it. Folks vote with their pocketbook and TPTB are in place because folks have a full belly. When the citizens start going a few days without eatng, it's gonna be another story. The fact that people are pounding away on their keyboards and not resorting to other methods should provide you with good comfort in stead of the disdain you throw out for your fellow Americans. Here's a hint, the fact that they're getting mad about WTF is happening to this country means they actually care about it. Historically America has repeatedly shown a reluctance for war. If a new government is appointed by non traditional means as you so like to challenge, what's to say the next one will be any better than the one we currently have? Founding this country was a unique time in history that probably won't be repeated for a very long time if ever. Food for thought.

You aren't as above everybody on this board as you like to think you are.

Originally posted by Raspeguy
[BThey can surely beat the hell out of the keyboard and berate others for exemplifying in themselves what they dislike in others..............................[/B] After reading that entire posting this condescending statement still stuck out in my memory. The fact you wrote it at the beginning of your posting and still intentionally tried to belittle folks on this board shows that you should take a really long look in the mirror and take stock. Pot meet kettle.

FAL freek
October 17, 2010, 17:08
Originally posted by Raspeguy
If all the "heroes" in this thread were truly the brave men they espouse to be, considering their recognition of all the coercive injustices perpetrated upon this nation, and by consequence upon themselves personally, they would at best presently be fugitives of the State, if they were the men of bold action and conviction they say they are. They can surely beat the hell out of the keyboard and berate others for exemplifying in themselves what they dislike in others. About the only assault that will be launched will be at the ballot box, expecting the next chorus of clowns or tough talkers, the other half of the puppet team, to restore this nation to some vague sense of its originality. Isn't that about the size of it? The more things change (this party, that party) the more things remain the same or realistically, ever continually devolve from any semblance of it founding principles. Since I haven't taken any overt action, nor intend to do so, you know what I am. So do I. You will not find me stroking my weapon and fantasizing of great things. Scarcely be the one who will inquire of the root motivations for that "good feeling" that is invoked from having a weapon in hand. The ones at he top have achieved it, the others can only dream of it.

Please all, quit referring to this country as a republic or democracy. Look up the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto (love child and tool of the wealthy elite) and compare the state of the nation in thus regard. Next to family, the home must be next in closeness. What happens to my paid off home if I become destitute to the extent that prevents me from paying my ever increasing property taxes. An extension of the State takes it from me by force. Where will I then go now? Or more appropriately, who gives a ****?

Another thing to ponder before taking on the State. Are most of the people in this country worth it? We have over 50 million examples in recent decades wherein women of this nation chose their convenience, their selfish interest, as paramount over the precious life that was being nurtured within their bodies. Here, as in much of the western world, the so-called pinnacle of civilization, vast numbers are addicted to drugs, both legal and illegal, to make life palpable, to add some zing to their otherwise dull sense of the world or their minds. Their lust for violence is prevalent extensively in the media and games. Music is power, its effect on the weak minded exacerbated. And what do you find today but the most degenerate forms of music to be among the most popular. A fitting match for a soulless, self-centric nation. I'll skip over pornography and perversion other than this briefest of acknowledgement. I'll give a personal nod to the growing habit of lying, attendant with no sense of remorse, guilt, or shame. Jesus one hour on Sunday, Satan and me me me the rest of the week. Have I in one way or another by now managed to insult 80 percent of the membership?

Surely by now most recognize the rise of the police state and its criminality, its demeaning attitude towards the citizenry. And the better examples of the men in blue (or black now as in darkness) will bemoan with you these excesses and state of affairs. But as with others, nearly all such condemnation is low key. Men who will dodge a bullet, will not be so loud to criticize their own ranks to an extent that jeopardizes lively hood and pensions, the realization of such revealing an utterly corrupt system. Better have another line of work to fall back on before any vigorous pursuit of cleansing your own ranks is seriously contemplated, if you're still around. Better yet, take the easy way, and just overlook it cause you know you are different and stand apart (how far?). But no surprise; it all comes from the same social pool of human feedstock. Skin for skin, all that a man will give. Sounds hypocritically religious doesn't it? Not me, no pretenses. Well, I'm bound to have some or a lot, being far removed from sainthood. Denial is not one of my strong points and I do recognize the Christian Bible is a book of wisdom and insight of human nature. Neither is it flattering. The nation overwhelmingly has chosen mammon.

Or how about our brave, young men in uniform "serving" their country? Or are they simply serving themselves foremost? Fresh out of high school, equipped with a dumbed down education, a depressed economy offering low wages for the attendant jobs available, the military is an attractive alternative. Let's see...$1622.10 per month for an E2. I mean, how long you gonna be an E1? Free food, clothing allowance, roof over your head, medical, bonuses and pension if I string it out for 20+ with some post civilian job (working for the State again) hiring advantages, no need for transportation as they will take me where they want, opportunity to be a little jerk (if of that mindset) when otherwise I might get my c*ck bruised in civilian life, no mental gymnastics over right or wrong..just follow orders (sure you have a choice, but the alternative may be unpleasant). Not a bad economic choice is it? Hell, it's a no brainer. Add the bucks up with the value before tax of the benefits and compare this to the maybe $12 an hour civilian "opportunity" out of which you will have to extract the costs for medical participation, transportation, food, rent, clothing, your own retirement (at those earning levels, SS will be commensurate!). If I was such a young man today in that situation, off to the Navy or Air Force I would be. I would not surrender my mind...maybe act like I did though! Yeah, I could fool them. But make no mistake, it is all for me. Not for God, country, or mom's apple pie. Notice I left out the Marine Corps and Army (well other than a few choices within). That's cause I'm looking for the best opportunities and safest options in regards to future employment in the MI racket, various enforcement agencies to continue working for the almighty State, or related civilian jobs. Call me a hero (a popular buzz word applied like salt) if you wish for my choice, if it fits your definition. I won't dissuade your opinion, although I would know better. I would only take that life course as long as we had the overwhelming military presence whose typical application was to bully weak countries for exploitation of resources (extending democracy), geopolitical chicanery (promoting freedom and human dignity), debauchery and slaughter, etc. for the benefit of some at the top of the pecking order (or is that the new world order now :)). Start that saber rattling with the big boys, where my fate might find residence similar to the carnage in the WW1 trenches, Pacific island campaigns, the Eastern Front, and likely in a far shorter order, I would have to respectfully decline any such willful choice. I'll leave that for the real men, with the real generals of today, those with hardly room left on their uniforms for all the medals and badges awarded for all their little to no direct combat exposure. A silver star for every colonel's ticket.

It seems to me the herding of the cattle is proceeding nicely. Little bit of snorting here and there, but you will always have some disgruntled subjects, now that more are awakening to the fact that their toys, their accumulated wealth, and lifestyles are in ever increasing jeopardy, for long since having passed the republic?, the democracy?, now tottering on full blown fascism or greater darkness coupled to oligarchy or plutocracy, ending up with perhaps a disaster far exceeding medieval feudalism or equaling any previously recorded inhumanity or catastrophes? And people here still condemn the Third Reich with a straight face! Somebody lift them out of the box. The main thing to remember; as long as you have your ass left, you still have something precious to hang on to and no nation ever had a shortage of goons to unleash upon its populace. Hopefully, any dissatisfaction will not reach an elevated level wherein another false flag operation will be contemplated to get the subjects' minds thinking the "right way". Anything is possible today that evil minds can conceive, and they are here. For the "real men" that do realize that some are worth saving and sacrifice, that pathological wishful thinking for resistance must be constrained by the unpleasant realism required for its effect or tempered with the realization that recompense will run the course that the nation sowed. The rain falleth on the just and unjust alike. The relative equality of arms and means that existed in the late 1700s was an advantage that is no longer existent to the common folk of today.

This is a lot of negative thinking, eh? Just skimming the edges. Contrary to the PC mindset that in one form or another, one application or another, that has ensnared most, it is predominately this kind of thinking, or dissatisfaction, that generates the motivation for positive change. However, as one member here stated many years ago, a reset will only come when this country hits bottom. The question arises what will be the bottom? What will be the aftermath or nature of the reset?

I sure as hell have rambled enough for one post, but it is Sunday.

Gawd, I love this place!
JADA. Just thought I'd save it in case it gets deleted.

alant
October 17, 2010, 17:54
When did Raspeguy become a liberal blogger? Half or more of his message looks like it came off the Daily Kos.

True to the nature of many on this forum, he is now persona non grata.

It's a sad thing to see so many closed minds. Too much Limbaugh, Beck and Fox News.

Dolvio
October 17, 2010, 17:56
We're on our own. A few will resist. That is all that matters.

shlomo
October 17, 2010, 18:43
Originally posted by alant
When did Raspeguy become a liberal blogger? Half or more of his message looks like it came off the Daily Kos.

When did you become The Jokker (sic)?

SWOHFAL
October 17, 2010, 19:57
Originally posted by alant
When did Raspeguy become a liberal blogger? Half or more of his message looks like it came off the Daily Kos.

True to the nature of many on this forum, he is now persona non grata.

It's a sad thing to see so many closed minds. Too much Limbaugh, Beck and Fox News.

But not enough Kos or Huffington. :rolleyes:

Gaylant is back, as is DABTL (coincidence?), ready to get bitch-slapped November 2nd. :rofl:

JasonB
October 17, 2010, 20:24
Originally posted by martin35
martin35 was insinuating he was hauling in everyone up to and including LE for various infractions and mentioning he would be legit in shooting them if they resisted. You might want to start looking for grandiose schemes there.
It is possible that the knowledge of a citizens right to act is a influence on the lawman who would act beyond his authority, stay in the barrel and age some more.

Old enough to see that they don't give a crap about your right to act nor any other right you may have.

So we can write off your mention of hauling in wayward cops as just you bullshitting us to boost your self esteem.

JasonB
October 17, 2010, 20:30
Originally posted by alant
When did Raspeguy become a liberal blogger? Half or more of his message looks like it came off the Daily Kos.

Exactly what out of all of that qualifies as "liberal"?

Originally posted by alant
Too much Limbaugh, Beck and Fox News.

Always cracks me up that the more intrusions, the better (R) crowd is rabidly in favor of Prohibition MkII, but 2 of their biggest mouthpieces are addicts.

martin35
October 18, 2010, 14:24
So we can write off your mention of hauling in wayward cops as just you bullshitting us to boost your self esteem.
I am going to depose the Sheriff and all his deputies after you take the bad ol' NG's bayonets away from them.

JasonB
October 18, 2010, 17:07
Originally posted by martin35
So we can write off your mention of hauling in wayward cops as just you bullshitting us to boost your self esteem.
I am going to depose the Sheriff and all his deputies after you take the bad ol' NG's bayonets away from them.

You made the claim, I showed you never broke your ass loose from the wax paper on your chair, and now you are upset. Sorry, I am not in to boosting your self esteem, I am sure there are many here who will stroke your ego if that is what you need to struggle on.

martin35
October 18, 2010, 18:13
You don't upset folks, you do make folks wonder about birth control.

JasonB
October 18, 2010, 18:21
Originally posted by martin35
You don't upset folks, you do make folks wonder about birth control.

You keep insulting me because I pointed out how much crap you were spreading. Keep going, the more you put out the more people get to see what you are and what you support/don't support.

FAL freek
October 18, 2010, 19:03
Originally posted by alant
When did Raspeguy become a liberal blogger? Half or more of his message looks like it came off the Daily Kos.
Funny never have known a liberal to blame all the moral decline of this country on the joos. Come back and try again when you're not so wet behind the ears.

As usual tho, no reply from the OP I was quoting.

FAL freek
October 18, 2010, 19:05
Originally posted by martin35
You don't upset folks, you do make folks wonder about birth control. Quote of the day right thar. Judging from previous posts on other thread he should do some serious American history studies.

JasonB
October 18, 2010, 19:11
Originally posted by FAL freek
Quote of the day right thar. Judging from previous posts on other thread he should do some serious American history studies.

Oh really? What did I state differently than what you had previously been told?

FAL freek
October 18, 2010, 19:42
Originally posted by JasonB


Oh really? What did I state differently than what you had previously been told? Actually I was referring to this. Lot of American history before The War of Northern Agression.

Originally posted by Heat

Some, not many-I stand by my belief that most are pussies-to justify that all I have to do is look at the way things have gone in the past 5 or 6 decades--more so the past 3. We have gone from a relatively constitutionally based nation to one that almost entirely ignores our heritage, laws (constitutional laws) debt, expansion of govt at ALL levels. Broken borders, unjust wars etc.. and most have stood by while the nation has incrementally been socialized and destroyed/changed to where most generations past wouldnt recognize it and if they did would be so dissapointed
Alot has been said about how our founders would be cast as outlaws today, how they wouldnt even have a chance to do what they didt then--they'd certainly try--but most people today wouldnt--because they are pussies
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I am thinking more along the lines of the last 15-16 decades. And any more I am not really sure about the founders motives considering there wasn't a penalty mentioned after every sentence in the Constitution for violations.

JasonB
October 18, 2010, 20:05
Originally posted by FAL freek
Actually I was referring to this. Lot of American history before The War of Northern Agression.

Originally posted by Heat

Some, not many-I stand by my belief that most are pussies-to justify that all I have to do is look at the way things have gone in the past 5 or 6 decades--more so the past 3. We have gone from a relatively constitutionally based nation to one that almost entirely ignores our heritage, laws (constitutional laws) debt, expansion of govt at ALL levels. Broken borders, unjust wars etc.. and most have stood by while the nation has incrementally been socialized and destroyed/changed to where most generations past wouldnt recognize it and if they did would be so dissapointed
Alot has been said about how our founders would be cast as outlaws today, how they wouldnt even have a chance to do what they didt then--they'd certainly try--but most people today wouldnt--because they are pussies
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I am thinking more along the lines of the last 15-16 decades. And any more I am not really sure about the founders motives considering there wasn't a penalty mentioned after every sentence in the Constitution for violations.

I was being generous. The events of the 1860's were very much an usurpation of power that cannot be denied. There were of course prior events such as the Alien and Sedition Acts passed to keep John Adams in office as another when the perps didn't get thrown under a tire for that one. Actually, the whole Constitution was a federal power grab since they were more limited by The Articles of Confederation. Now, what else ya got?

ftierson
October 18, 2010, 22:36
This all reminds me that I need to do a little more reloading tonight.

Well, maybe not 'need to,' but whatever...

:)

Forrest

one hand clapping
October 18, 2010, 22:51
Longhair51-
I defer sir, I agree with your pointing out the difference between coward and fear. Unfortunatly if one lives too"safely" you become impotent and another will drive your destiny. I know not why my generation and those following have been so willing to allow their freedoms to be taken and turned to priviliges.[mabey chemical castration and optical sublimital programing byway of TV]
I love the America { or the concept of America }I grew up with and just cause its been compromised and attacked from within does not mean its broke forever. If good folks do nothing though , bad folks will certainly be happy to fill the void [just look at congress].
I DO stand up , out in the real world to those who abuse their oath and positions of public trust. I have thought long and hard where my line is. Due to a local gang I have had to run off, I am VERY clear when it is time to act. I pray I never have to fire another shot in anger , and especially not at an american serviceman. However, if some fool points their weapon at me in violation of my constitutional garentees ---------- I will not live as a serf, the property of another, save for my creator.

live free or die trying
OHC

JasonB
October 19, 2010, 04:09
Originally posted by one hand clapping
I know not why my generation and those following have been so willing to allow their freedoms to be taken and turned to priviliges.[


You must be very, very old.

martin35
October 19, 2010, 06:48
ftierson; I am thinking more along the lines of the last 15-16 decades. And any more I am not really sure about the founders motives considering there wasn't a penalty mentioned after every sentence in the Constitution for violations.
I think you are right, there has been a evolutionary process applied by each succeeding generation of Americans to the reference and meaning of our Constitution which was the "security blanket" that is being interpreted from what it was at it's more explicit inception, the government needed for 5.5 million Americans was less complex than is now "thought" needed for 350 million and their "guests".
What would the Framers and Forefathers do, in my opinion they would as they did in their day discriminate as they did in their personal lives or become French.

cpd109
October 19, 2010, 07:12
Originally posted by JasonB

You must be very, very old.

And everytime you post, you demonstrate that you must be very, very stupid, and un- American.

Everyone slings BS once in a while, you do nothing but sling it. I quite reading this thread but happen to come back to it when I saw one of the posters was still at it. I see you are too.

Give it a rest commie. (Or socialist, or whatever you want to call yourself 'cause it ain't American.) Bye and good ridance.

JasonB
October 19, 2010, 18:22
Originally posted by cpd109


And everytime you post, you demonstrate that you must be very, very stupid, and un- American.

Everyone slings BS once in a while, you do nothing but sling it. I quite reading this thread but happen to come back to it when I saw one of the posters was still at it. I see you are too.

Give it a rest commie. (Or socialist, or whatever you want to call yourself 'cause it ain't American.) Bye and good ridance.

Oooh I am opposed to welfare (the well known type and it's older brother corporate) and I am in favor of individual liberties. Interesting traits for a commie. You aren't making that unfounded insult because I have pointed out the failings of groups you support are you?

one hand clapping
October 20, 2010, 12:28
Jason B,

You are more right than you know. I am not just very old, I am an acient soul, so you should pay attention ,cause I might accidentaly learn ya something.

OHC

longhair51
October 20, 2010, 12:43
Originally posted by JasonB
Americans have been cowards going way back.
....and which category would you be in?

longhair51
October 20, 2010, 13:04
Originally posted by alant
It's a sad thing to see so many closed minds.
I don't have a closed mind. Last Janurary I had a complex xray, with contrast, of my head(took about 1 hr). The doc called me at home and said that they didn't find anything:biggrin:

Heat
October 20, 2010, 13:09
Originally posted by SWOHFAL


But not enough Kos or Huffington. :rolleyes:

Gaylant is back, as is DABTL (coincidence?), ready to get bitch-slapped November 2nd. :rofl:

November 2nd gonna be a big day ya think?? Maybe so..then Nov 3rd and thereafter watch the repukes quickly sit on their hands as they begin their diabolical laughfest as they realize they fooled the dumb sheep to vote, YET AGAIN!!, for the otherside of that bad pennie that keeps a' rollin' back in the guise of the 2party system, offering up more big gov just at a slightly slower
more 'patriotic' pace---idiots!

JasonB
October 20, 2010, 19:07
Originally posted by one hand clapping
Jason B,

You are more right than you know. I am not just very old, I am an acient soul, so you should pay attention ,cause I might accidentaly learn ya something.

OHC

Wow! So tell me about life in the late 1700's since that is about the first generation that started pissing away their liberties.

JasonB
October 20, 2010, 19:09
Originally posted by longhair51

....and which category would you be in?

I would be in the observing category. I watch the faux chest puffing and outright lying and find it a form of dark humor.

alant
October 20, 2010, 19:12
Originally posted by ftierson
This all reminds me that I need to do a little more reloading tonight.

Well, maybe not 'need to,' but whatever...

:)

Forrest

Should I keep delinking that Brit milsurp or buy a load of tracers and put it back together? It all depends on target density. :biggrin:

ftierson
October 20, 2010, 22:01
Originally posted by alant
Should I keep delinking that Brit milsurp or buy a load of tracers and put it back together? It all depends on target density. :biggrin:

Depends on what you have to shoot it in, of course... :)

Forrest

SWOHFAL
October 21, 2010, 01:33
Originally posted by Heat


November 2nd gonna be a big day ya think?? Maybe so..then Nov 3rd and thereafter watch the repukes quickly sit on their hands as they begin their diabolical laughfest as they realize they fooled the dumb sheep to vote, YET AGAIN!!, for the otherside of that bad pennie that keeps a' rollin' back in the guise of the 2party system, offering up more big gov just at a slightly slower
more 'patriotic' pace---idiots!

Actually, it will be January and we should get gridlock, with perhaps only one house being controlled by the GOP and the dems controlling the other and definitely the WH.

JasonB
October 21, 2010, 04:15
Originally posted by SWOHFAL


Actually, it will be January and we should get gridlock, with perhaps only one house being controlled by the GOP and the dems controlling the other and definitely the WH.

Shoud that happen, I wonder if it will be referred to as a strong bi-partisan effort or reaching across the aisle, or if they will crank out a new phrase for continuing on in the same direction?

longhair51
October 21, 2010, 13:20
Originally posted by JasonB
I would be in the observing category.
Bull$#it!! You have said more than once, (mostly in nebulous terms, so you won't have to answer this question)that if one is not an actor, one is a coward.

So, once again, which one are you? What is it that you do, that makes you fundamentally different than most of us? Or perhaps your rhetoric, is just that.....all talk, no action. Where is your individual action? What are you doing personally to save the Republic?

Dolvio
October 21, 2010, 14:55
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii46/Dolvio/bankersfilghtbird.jpg

JasonB
October 21, 2010, 17:43
Originally posted by longhair51

Bull$#it!! You have said more than once, (mostly in nebulous terms, so you won't have to answer this question)that if one is not an actor, one is a coward.

Where have I posted that if one is not an actor, one is a coward? Link?

Originally posted by longhair51

So, once again, which one are you? What is it that you do, that makes you fundamentally different than most of us? Or perhaps your rhetoric, is just that.....all talk, no action. Where is your individual action? What are you doing personally to save the Republic? .

I don't vote for that bird in the last post, nor encourage others to vote for it either. You?

alant
October 21, 2010, 17:56
Originally posted by JasonB

Originally posted by longhair51

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Bull$#it!! You have said more than once, (mostly in nebulous terms, so you won't have to answer this question)that if one is not an actor, one is a coward.
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Where have I posted that if one is not an actor, one is a coward? Link?

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Originally posted by longhair51

So, once again, which one are you? What is it that you do, that makes you fundamentally different than most of us? Or perhaps your rhetoric, is just that.....all talk, no action. Where is your individual action? What are you doing personally to save the Republic? .
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I don't vote for that bird in the last post, nor encourage others to vote for it either. You?

This one upsmanship without saying what EXACTLY either of you are doing, or willing to do, "to save the Republic" is getting boring.

"What are you going to do?"

"You first!"

"Oh no, I asked first, you gotta say."


Save the Republic from what? Itself? Uniformed voters (defined as people that don't vote the way you think the should)? Chicoms? Muslims? Walmart?

martin35
October 21, 2010, 18:10
The Republic is now in the process of being saved from being a Republic by the Obama administration, that's the social change he promises.

JasonB
October 21, 2010, 18:15
Originally posted by martin35
The Republic is now in the process of being saved from being a Republic by the Obama administration, that's the social change he promises.

We have been devout adherents to the planks long before 20 January 2010 rolled around.

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

Come to think of it, I can't recall too many people seeking office ever refer to it as a republic, preferring the open ended democracy instead.

longhair51
October 22, 2010, 15:07
Originally posted by JasonB
Where have I posted that if one is not an actor, one is a coward? Link?

I don't vote for that bird in the last post, nor encourage others to vote for it either. You?

Here's this one agreeing with heat:

Originally posted by Heat

Some, not many-I stand by my belief that most are pussies-to justify

that all I have to do is look at the way things have gone in the past 5

or 6 decades--more....they wouldnt even have a chance to do what they

didt then--they'd certainly try--but most people today wouldnt--because

they are pussies
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JasonB replied


I am thinking more along the lines of the last 15-16 decades. And any

more I am not really sure about the founders motives considering there

wasn't a penalty mentioned after every sentence in the Constitution for

violations.


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then there is this one agreeing with OHC

JasonB
Veteran Member

FALaholic # 7430
October 16, 2010 13:55 Post #33

quote:
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Originally posted by one hand clapping
I sadley must agree that most americans today are cowards.
My 2cents
One hand clapping
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JasonB replied


Americans have been cowards going way back. Doing what you are told

because you are more scared of party A than party B (and/or getting

paid by A to attack B) is hardly a sign of courage.

There might be a bit of a difference when talking about those in the

1770's, but considering they fought to install men to power who by and

large limited their exposure to danger and then compounded that by

writing "rules" for themselves with no consequnces for violations, I

don't really think they were that much better either.
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and this one in reply to cpd109


JasonB
Veteran Member

FALaholic # 7430
October 16, 2010 16:20 Post #35

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Originally posted by cpd109...

Possibly, in your defense, you are getting apathy and laziness confused
with cowardace.
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JasonB wrote
Apathy and laziness do indeed fit in to it, but cowardice plays a role

as well.
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As to your second question, I do basically the same as you do. I vote for the person that most reflects my beliefs, not the party.

longhair51
October 22, 2010, 16:10
Originally posted by alant
This one upsmanship..........is getting boring.
OK, go back to sleep then.

Save the Republic from what? Itself? Uniformed voters (defined as people that don't vote the way you think the should)? Chicoms? Muslims? Walmart?
From people that are sleeping, or don't care about the usurpation of power by people that are not allowed that power by the Constitution. People that are actively seeking such unauthorized power. People that abuse this power under the cover of law......oh, and walmart.

alant
October 22, 2010, 17:48
Originally posted by longhair51

From people that are sleeping, or don't care about the usurpation of power by people that are not allowed that power by the Constitution. People that are actively seeking such unauthorized power. People that abuse this power under the cover of law......oh, and walmart.

Trying to get a handle on what we're talking about.

Besides Walmart who are these people that are usurping power not allowed by the Constitution? Is it "the gubermint" in general, the federal government in particular, politicians in general, one party, both major parties, the "elites" (of whatever stripe), illegal immigrants, SCOTUS, the UN, ACLU, Muslims, all religions or all religions except ____? Maybe it's a free for all with the government, special interests, "big religion" and others in one giant power grab?

You didn't mention people that might benefit from this unconstitutional grab for power. Who might those be? The military/industrial complex, welfare recipients, multi-national corporations, illegals, foreign powers, etc.

Are there organizations/groups/individuals you trust to not usurpe power?

When did all this usurping of the constitutional begin? What are some of the more glaring historical instances/abuses?

How do you describe the proper distribution of constitutional power?

longhair51
October 23, 2010, 23:06
Originally posted by alant
[QUOTE]Originally posted by alant
[B]Besides Walmart who are these people that are usurping power not allowed by the Constitution? the federal government in particular , both major parties, the "elites" (of whatever stripe),

You didn't mention people that might benefit from this unconstitutional grab for power. Who might those be? The military/industrial complex, multi-national corporations, foreign powers, and etc.


Are there organizations/groups/individuals you trust to not usurpe power?
At the beginning, maybe(I'm not speaking of any organizations/groups/individuals in particular). Over the long term, No. Power corrupts.

When did all this usurping of the constitutional begin? What are some of the more glaring historical instances/abuses?

I don't know the actual first time, but there are many examples. I have included just a few.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/dieteman/dieteman103.html


http://www.rossde.com/editorials/edtl_rumpSenate.html


http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back706.html


http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6017407/Executive-branch-usurpation-of-power.html


http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/05/03/03/greenslade.htm


http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Constitution_Issues/tyranny_by_usurpation.htm


http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Constitution_Issues/constitutional_issues.htm


http://www.fcnl.org/issues/item.php?item_id=2175&issue_id=67


http://www.famguardian.org/Publications/FederalUsurpation/FederalUsurpation.pdf


http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/pierce/pfu-10.htm


How do you describe the proper distribution of constitutional power?
Three branches, each with the ability to check the power of the other. I am strongly opposed to executive signing orders by the President, and law made by judges and bureaucratic agencies. I think in these cases Congress has abrogated it's responsibilities.